Johali's Rate the Cup race --- Bristol, dirt

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8. This thing has the potential to be a good once-yearly show but they gotta iron out some kinks going forward.
 

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I had no problems with the race and it will get better the more they do it.
only thing I liked about the 3 minute pit stops is that the better teams can’t make up 4 or 5 spots every time they pit under yellow. That helps some of the smaller teams stay up front when they are having a good day on the track.
i Look forward to the Bristol race every year so I am disappointed that they chose Bristol to run the dirt race,
 

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This race was old school where teams ran completely different setups from car to car. Spring, shock,sway bar combinations came back in to play because mechanical grip was king. Old school slang, "buzzing the tires" "pushing like a dump truck" "forward bite" were common. Bias ply tires, saving the right rear. This what its all about, this is racing in its purest form. God I love it. Great job BMS track crew, great job NASCAR, great job Fox your coverage was fun, great job to every single team that ran that race. A rock solid 10.
 

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9, I had pretty low expectations for the actual racing, but thought that the entertainment value would be high. Racing and entertainment value were excellent..
 

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This race was old school where teams ran completely different setups from car to car. Spring, shock,sway bar combinations came back in to play because mechanical grip was king. Old school slang, "buzzing the tires" "pushing like a dump truck" "forward bite" were common. Bias ply tires, saving the right rear. This what its all about, this is racing in its purest form. God I love it. Great job BMS track crew, great job NASCAR, great job Fox your coverage was fun, great job to every single team that ran that race. A rock solid 10.
Great summary. I hope BMS made bank
 

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I'll give it an 8.

Definitely has potential going forward. Ideally they would move it to May and run it on a Saturday night. But I'm assuming they want to keep it a day race so the August date keeps it's "specialness" but dirt races are always better under the lights IMO.
 

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I'll say 7 mostly because of the novelty and guys trying to figure it out. Would I like to see a dirt race next year? Yeah just not at Bristol

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This race was old school where teams ran completely different setups from car to car. Spring, shock,sway bar combinations came back in to play because mechanical grip was king. Old school slang, "buzzing the tires" "pushing like a dump truck" "forward bite" were common. Bias ply tires, saving the right rear. This what its all about, this is racing in its purest form. God I love it. Great job BMS track crew, great job NASCAR, great job Fox your coverage was fun, great job to every single team that ran that race. A rock solid 10.

This post is awesome @Spotter22. I respect your opinion. Thank you for helping me to understand what I saw a whole bunch more. Good stuff. The content I come here for as they say....
 

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This post is awesome @Spotter22. I respect your opinion. Thank you for helping me to understand what I saw a whole bunch more. Good stuff. The content I come here for as they say....
Yep I can't disagree with anyone rating this a 10 and I've said that about maybe 10 races in the 30 years I've been watching the sport. This was a fantastic race and I'm honestly stumped at so many low ratings
 

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Yep I can't disagree with anyone rating this a 10 and I've said that about maybe 10 races in the 30 years I've been watching the sport. This was a fantastic race and I'm honestly stumped at so many low ratings
I think if you look at was on the track, it looked a lot like a pavement race IMO. However, when you look at the nuances of this type of racing as @Spotter22 pointed out, then it becomes special. I am a nuance guy. Anytime we can talk about something other than what a driver had for breakfast (i.e. shocks, springs, set ups), I am a fan.
 

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I think if you look at was on the track, it looked a lot like a pavement race IMO. However, when you look at the nuances of this type of racing as @Spotter22 pointed out, then it becomes special. I am a nuance guy. Anytime we can talk about something other than what a driver had for breakfast (i.e. shocks, springs, set ups), I am a fan.
It looked like a combo of 90's Bristol, 2000's Darlington, and the Eldora truck races. Can't go wrong with any of those
 

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I think if you look at was on the track, it looked a lot like a pavement race IMO. However, when you look at the nuances of this type of racing as @Spotter22 pointed out, then it becomes special. I am a nuance guy. Anytime we can talk about something other than what a driver had for breakfast (i.e. shocks, springs, set ups), I am a fan.
That's why I gave it the rating I did, a shorter pavement race with a lot of extra logistical overhead.

It may have been chockful of subtleties and nuances, but learning about them on Monday didn't do me any any good on Sunday. I asked in the pre-race what to look for. I got one response, for which I was grateful, but it wasn't very informative. Even if I'd known what to look for, I couldn't see it through the dust anyway. I can't see springs, shocks, etc. and I don't know how to tell what changes are the results of adjusting each of them.
 

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That's why I gave it the rating I did, a shorter pavement race with a lot of extra logistical overhead.

It may have been chockful of subtleties and nuances, but learning about them on Monday didn't do me any any good on Sunday. I asked in the pre-race what to look for. I got one response, for which I was grateful, but it wasn't very informative. Even if I'd known what to look for, I couldn't see it through the dust anyway. I can't see springs, shocks, etc. and I don't know how to tell what changes are the results of adjusting each of them.
I was traveling that day or I would have helped you out. No you cant see the shocks or springs or sway bar sizes but you can listen to the drivers, if you have that access ,discussing not enough forward bite and buzzing the right rear etc...and the CC discussing what changes they could make, how the driver could adjust his line and soft peddle during the first part of the run. I'm sure the setups were much more custom from car to car due to the feel the driver was looking for, we all know aero grip is heavily regulated on what changes you could make and really wasnt a concern but Mechanical grip changes are almost endless. In the end its not so much if you know what changes the CC made did to the car as it is understanding that option was there when usually it wouldnt be. I wouldnt be surprised if they were changing shocks during the breaks. Anyway just my 2 cents and you cant even get a piece of gum with it. ;)
 

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6. Once you get past the "ErmaGerd cup on dirt" factor that race sucked. One lane track, drivers couldn't see, single file restarts sucked. Has potential but give us real Bristol and let's go to a real dirt track.

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A solid 9.5 with drivers peaking at different times on bias ply tires. I have really missed those tires and the tire management.
The built in story lines need no hype the complexion of the race was always changing or evolving.

The only downside was having to work on monday.
 

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10!

-5 for a Logano win but +5 for being in attendance. (I never thought I would enjoy watching over 4 hours of hot laps before any event!)
The rain was horrendous but thank God we choose to camp on high ground!
The hospitality of the middle south is always a delight and sharing this historic weekend with my boys and my Dad will be a cherished memory.
 

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I'll give it a 9,It was fun and overall i enjoyed i. The only thing i would change is i would have this Race run at Night
 

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but really this needs to be a night race
I talked to a guy that runs his own dirt track. He never runs races during day, too dusty and hard to manage track moisture n surface.
 

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The hell?
I wouldn't either, when I could spend my money on races at other tracks. Races where I could see what's going on, where there are more green flag laps and chances for green flag pit stops, where I won't get dirt in my sandwich. I don't mind getting dirty when I'm participating in an activity; I'm not paying to get dirty as a spectator, with a few hours drive home in that condition.

This post is NOT a critique of the racing, just an explanation of why I agree with @sdj about not paying to see it.
 

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I wouldn't either, when I could spend my money on races at other tracks. Races where I could see what's going on, where there are more green flag laps and chances for green flag pit stops, where I won't get dirt in my sandwich. I don't mind getting dirty when I'm participating in an activity; I'm not paying to get dirty as a spectator, with a few hours drive home in that condition.

This post is NOT a critique of the racing, just an explanation of why I agree with @sdj about not paying to see it.
To each his own but Im up to try anything different and try to find the joy in it.
 

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To each his own but Im up to try anything different and try to find the joy in it.
There are plenty of activities I enjoy watching on the tube that I wouldn’t attend. I went to a golf tournament once but I’m not likely to do it again; I’m too short to see.
 
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