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Sauter fined, docked points for bad language
From Press Release March 10, 2004
4:07 PM EST (2107 GMT)


DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR has fined Johnny Sauter $10,000, deducted 25 NASCAR Busch Series championship driver points from him and placed him on probation through Dec. 31 for using inappropriate language following the NASCAR Busch Series race on March 6 at Las Vegas Motor Speedway.

Sauter, driver of the No. 27 Pontiac, was penalized under Section 12-4-A of the NASCAR Rule Book (Actions detrimental to stock car racing: Use of improper language) for his comments during a post-race broadcast interview.

The loss of 25 driver points dropped him from second to fourth in the NASCAR Busch Series championship, with an adjusted total of 425 points.

The use of inappropriate language and NASCAR's lack of tolerance for such behavior was brought to the attention of all drivers by NASCAR president Mike Helton during the drivers' meeting held for the NASCAR Busch Series on Feb. 21 and the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series on Feb. 22 during the race weekend at North Carolina Speedway in Rockingham, N.C.

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It looks like NASCAR set a pretty good example out of Sauter on what will happen if you use inappropriate language on the radio or T.V.
 
Docked 25 points also?

I think Nascar is trying to make these drivers too PC. Come on... they all cant be like Jeff Gordon! :lol:
 
Probably docked him points for the foul language coming out of other driver's mouths :lol:
 
Originally posted by majestyx@Mar 10 2004, 03:33 PM
Something tells me that it wasn't just for his "bad language" !
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Attitude has alot to do with it as well.
 
Johnny needs to get his act together. He needs to remember that this is not Sat. night at the local short track.

He needs some lessons in how to channel his energy and enthusiasm before he find himself in deeper trouble.

Perhaps he would benefit from a conversation with Kevin or Kurt.
 
Originally posted by RobbyG Fan@Mar 10 2004, 01:24 PM
Docked 25 points also?

I think Nascar is trying to make these drivers too PC. Come on... they all cant be like Jeff Gordon! :lol:
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Jeff Gordon being PC? I dont consider him dancing hairy butt-naked in a night club very PC.
 
JG wasn't fined or docked points for his antics OFF track...not arrested either.

Sauter may need to try some Ivory soap for his mouth and some public speaking courses, but he was warned (as were all drivers).

Get the boy a Thesaurus
 
I agree with nascarwoman, this isn't the little track where you used to be the big guy and could do what ever you wanted and get away with it. He's a spoiled, immature brat who needs to realize that he isn't the reason people are watching racing at this level.

Neither NASCAR nor any of it's drivers owe him anything and he's about to find that out!
 
Originally posted by Tommy29@Mar 11 2004, 12:41 AM
Man NASCAR is just like Clear Channel with these fines.
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Unfortunately that is the point, Tommy. The FCC has made it clear to the broadcasting networks, tv and radio, that THEY will be the ones to be fined if they cannot control what they broadcast over the airwaves. Thank Janet Jackson for the last shoe that has dropped. I am in no way saying that this wasn't a big deal before her little Super Bowl escapade, it was just the incident that brought it to a head for the television side, so to speak. The firing of Bubba the Love Sponge was (the last straw with the FCC) on the radio side, although Howard Stern is still a concern for them. I don't necessarily agree with ALL of it, but they really haven't asked me for my personal opinion.
 
I'd like to see a couple other fines instatuted in a lot of these situations.

#1 Fine the boneheaded reporters for shoving a mic in these guys faces the second their car stops rolling after an incident you know is going to have them riled up. The reporters and networks instagate such responses, then the drivers get the punishment.

#2 Fine the production manager that chooses to zoom in and play a segment of a driver on the track confronting another and you can read his lips. In the case of Mike Wallace last year. Poor guy didn't even know they were showing him close up and got a $5000.00 fine for it.
 
Eagle1, those are VERY good points you made! I agree completely! Just wish the broadcasting teams felt the same way!
 
Originally posted by Eagle1@Mar 11 2004, 10:41 AM
I'd like to see a couple other fines instatuted in a lot of these situations.

#1 Fine the boneheaded reporters for shoving a mic in these guys faces the second their car stops rolling after an incident you know is going to have them riled up. The reporters and networks instagate such responses, then the drivers get the punishment.

#2 Fine the production manager that chooses to zoom in and play a segment of a driver on the track confronting another and you can read his lips. In the case of Mike Wallace last year. Poor guy didn't even know they were showing him close up and got a $5000.00 fine for it.
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I've been saying that for the last 3 years, but NOBODY will listen. It's not the driver's fault... blame the reporters and broadcast team for putting them in the position.
 
come on now people I agree about the reporters and broadcasters but we all know that's there job and if ya snooze ya lose. IMO I think they ought to make a rule that they should wait until they get out of the care center or after there meeting in the phone booth, sometimes they do that and the driver still cusses up a storm.
 
Johnny is an *** , I am embarrassed that he's from Wisconsin. He causes or nearly causes a wreck in every single race, and then seems amused by it. He thought it was pretty funny when his jackman in the Busch series was bleeding profusely after Johnny hit him with his car at Daytona. Hopefully a deserving veteran will drive the #30 car next year.
 
Originally posted by Eagle1@Mar 11 2004, 10:41 AM
I'd like to see a couple other fines instatuted in a lot of these situations.

#1 Fine the boneheaded reporters for shoving a mic in these guys faces the second their car stops rolling after an incident you know is going to have them riled up. The reporters and networks instagate such responses, then the drivers get the punishment.

#2 Fine the production manager that chooses to zoom in and play a segment of a driver on the track confronting another and you can read his lips. In the case of Mike Wallace last year. Poor guy didn't even know they were showing him close up and got a $5000.00 fine for it.
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Very good E1, but unfortunately Na$ca$h has a different set of rules that only apply to them.

It may be all about ratings!
 
I know Kat, I know. One can dream of a perfect world though. :D

Steveluvs3 makes a point too, sometimes drivers get a cooldown period and they still run off with the mouth. Well then, they deserve the fines. :dual9mm:
 
I think somewhere in the constitution it says something about the right to free speach or something like that i could be wrong. we live in such a PC world these days they may have taken that part out.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick+Mar 11 2004, 04:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slick-nick @ Mar 11 2004, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Eagle1@Mar 11 2004, 10:41 AM
I'd like to see a couple other fines instatuted in a lot of these situations.

#1 Fine the boneheaded reporters for shoving a mic in these guys faces the second their car stops rolling after an incident you know is going to have them riled up.  The reporters and networks instagate such responses, then the drivers get the punishment.

#2 Fine the production manager that chooses to zoom in and play a segment of a driver on the track confronting another and you can read his lips. In the case of Mike Wallace last year. Poor guy didn't even know they were showing him close up and got a $5000.00 fine for it.
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I've been saying that for the last 3 years, but NOBODY will listen. It's not the driver's fault... blame the reporters and broadcast team for putting them in the position. [/b][/quote]
It's not the drivers fault ???!!!!! It's the reporters fault for sticking the microphone under the nose of the driver ????!!!!!

Get real here folks !!!! NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE puts those words in the drivers mouth. If the driver didn't want to say them, they wouldn't. Placing a microphone or recorder does not change what comes out of anyones mouth. If anything, it makes people more aware and cautious of what they say.

Making excuses and placing the blame elsewhere are classic examples of a persons failure to take full responsibility for thier actions.
 
An old fashioned display of that out-dated thing called self-control, Whiz?

The ability to control or contain how one may feel...that the rest of us have to practice almost everyday?

Some of those drivers still have a little dignity---most don't. Sadly.
 
I definitly think there is some gray area here...

I'm a pretty clean cut guy, and the only time I swore in front of my mother was when I got ran off the interstate about ten
years ago...dropped the ol f-bomb in front of the mom... :eek:

I'm sure most people will let some things slip in the middle of an accident (and shortly there-after)....so I think there should be a line of respect drawn to give these guys a chance to clear their heads and start thinking straight again.

Most drivers should be able to explain what happened 30 minutes later without blowing up (hopefully)...I can wait that long....

:cheers:
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@Mar 12 2004, 09:31 AM
It's not the drivers fault ???!!!!! It's the reporters fault for sticking the microphone under the nose of the driver ????!!!!!

Get real here folks !!!! NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE puts those words in the drivers mouth. If the driver didn't want to say them, they wouldn't. Placing a microphone or recorder does not change what comes out of anyones mouth. If anything, it makes people more aware and cautious of what they say.

Making excuses and placing the blame elsewhere are classic examples of a persons failure to take full responsibility for thier actions.
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True, but I mean.. ya can't stick a mic infront of their faces and expect a nursery rythme as soon as they climb out of the car.
 
I think the reporters want the heat of the moment and the regulators want a clean mouth. Put the regulators and reporters in cars with some of these drivers, then put the bodines on the track with them. When they wreck at high speeds, lets see what comes out of their mouth. Oh, and what kind of pretty language is used in other sports during play? Usually most are interviewed after things calm down. Just some thoughts
 
Bottom line, it is Nascar that calls the shots. Follow their rules or get out. There are plenty of "good" drivers, much better than sauter, that are more than willing to not use profane language on the air......and they also dont go around hitting every car on the track.
 
I agree that a mic shouldn't be stuck in a person's face. But what comes out of the drivers mouth is his fault. He has to take responsibility for what he says. This passing the buck to someone else don't get it. That's my 2 cents. :lol:
 
My two pennies:

Johnny Sauter should be fined. And if NASCAR sees fit (as apparently they do) they should take away as many points as they deem appropriate for the offense. It isn't about freedom of speech or being politically correct. It's about common decency. This is a sport marketed to young and old alike............that is, children and adults. It's shown live on TV during times that most anyone can watch it. A parent should be able to allow their children to watch a race without fear of someone, without any warning, spewing expletive deleted for their sons or daughters to hear. Actually, that applies to adults too...........some people (adults) are offended by cursing and generally bad behavior. The networks are responsible for what happens in their broadcasts.........NASCAR is responsible for the way their participants perform. Warnings have been issued (numerous times). It seems those warnings have fallen of few deaf ears.......time to lower the boom. Get someone's attention......enforce the rules.

And just so you know. I'm an electrician. I work on large commercial projects. Obscene jesters and language are common daily......I'm not in the least bit offended. But, an interview after an incident is not conducted at a construction site.........it's at a public race facility with people who don't necessarily have the same tolerance to offensive language as I do. And decent people have a very real obligation to respect those who would be offended.

I think the networks could solve this quite easily. There is absolutely no reason to have live interviews immediately following an incident. They could easily tape the interview (even as soon as the driver hops from the car) and "edit" or even toss out the interview. They have an exclusive contract...........what's the harm in a couple minutes delay?

And one other point since Howard Stern was mentioned and a comparison made. The same applies to him. It's about decency. If you can't be decent then you need to get out of the lime light and do something else with your life.

I probably ruffled a few feathers but those are my thoughts.
 
Hey DE, If that ruffled feathers,
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LOL

Very well put. :cheers: :cheers:
 
Hay you can't say Howard Stern and decency in the same paragraph. :lol:
 
Originally posted by hntr74@Mar 11 2004, 03:47 PM
Johnny is an *** , I am embarrassed that he's from Wisconsin. He causes or nearly causes a wreck in every single race, and then seems amused by it. He thought it was pretty funny when his jackman in the Busch series was bleeding profusely after Johnny hit him with his car at Daytona. Hopefully a deserving veteran will drive the #30 car next year.
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whats a ***?
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Mar 13 2004, 06:44 PM
My two pennies:

Johnny Sauter should be fined. And if NASCAR sees fit (as apparently they do) they should take away as many points as they deem appropriate for the offense. It isn't about freedom of speech or being politically correct. It's about common decency. This is a sport marketed to young and old alike............that is, children and adults. It's shown live on TV during times that most anyone can watch it. A parent should be able to allow their children to watch a race without fear of someone, without any warning, spewing expletive deleted for their sons or daughters to hear. Actually, that applies to adults too...........some people (adults) are offended by cursing and generally bad behavior. The networks are responsible for what happens in their broadcasts.........NASCAR is responsible for the way their participants perform. Warnings have been issued (numerous times). It seems those warnings have fallen of few deaf ears.......time to lower the boom. Get someone's attention......enforce the rules.

And just so you know. I'm an electrician. I work on large commercial projects. Obscene jesters and language are common daily......I'm not in the least bit offended. But, an interview after an incident is not conducted at a construction site.........it's at a public race facility with people who don't necessarily have the same tolerance to offensive language as I do. And decent people have a very real obligation to respect those who would be offended.

I think the networks could solve this quite easily. There is absolutely no reason to have live interviews immediately following an incident. They could easily tape the interview (even as soon as the driver hops from the car) and "edit" or even toss out the interview. They have an exclusive contract...........what's the harm in a couple minutes delay?

And one other point since Howard Stern was mentioned and a comparison made. The same applies to him. It's about decency. If you can't be decent then you need to get out of the lime light and do something else with your life.

I probably ruffled a few feathers but those are my thoughts.
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Totally agree. Your post is the best that I have seen on the subject.
 
WAY TO GO WRANGLER 2 !!!!!!!!!!! :cheers:

Sometimes I wonder where common decency and respect have gone and where these two terms were laid by the wayside. People today think the Constitution offers free speech, and it does, but there are issues and responsibilities that accompany those rights.

First and foremost is respect while following closely in the next spot is common decency which, for the most part I am sad to say, is disappearing from today's lifestyle.

If there was ever an "ATTA BOY" award for a post, DE_Wrangler_2 should win the award without question!!!! :salute:
 
I'm all for the decency thing. Believe me. I also think the self pontificating, ultruistic, media ("everyone has a right to know blathering"), needs to have it's collective nuts cut off with a pair of dikes for the brain dead mananer in which they instigate these situations.

...I'd love to have a job where everyone around me is held accountable for my ineptitude...
 
Well I hate to say it but it's the world we live in, unfortunatly there are people out there that want to see the confrontation, undecentcy, I'm sure if you were a reporter or howard stern and you did nothing but look for good and decency and no confrontation you would'nt have a job long.
 
That's a cop out for an inability to look for and publish real information.
 
O K, here's an example let's say howard stern turns over a new leaf and reports nothing but real info, no porn, no adult oriented material, just the facts. Now how long do you think he'll have a job? I think you know the answer to that. Here's another, how about mr. bonehead does another stupid move and wrecks out your fav driver and mr. boneheads response is: "He was in my way so I bumped him out of mine" now let's say you were the reporter to cover your fav driver, what would you do? go over to him as soon as he was accessable or wait till he cools down and gets a clear head?
 
Let's keep howard stern out of this.

Now, good Motorsports realated question. But before I answer, I'll as a question myself, to help give some perspective.

What thread is/was common to the following Motorsports journalists?

Paul Van Valkenburg
Jerry Titus
Bob Tulius
Brock Yates
Dick Bergren
Steve Hmiel
Smokey Yunick
 
OK, finished putting up some curtain rods....dang! Why couldn't they be con rods!...like that pic of the 8 btw. They should use that paint job every week.

....now, each of the guys I listed above are all connected in one way (realize, there are a lot more, but these come to my mind).

Some began as racers. Some began as journalists. In the end, each and every one of them took the time to fully understand motorsports from the inside out. Even before the non racers fully understood the sport they covered, they only wrote/published info they realized was key to an event/series/season which had a true bearing on outcomes or of understanding why certain outcomes were or were not achievable. As they learned their craft, they became more knowedgeable, and in turn taught their readers what they learned.

They all educated. They all steered away from tabloid "jounalism".

Jamming a mike in a drivers face after he just survived a near death experience is tabloid "journalism". I don't want to hear what he or she has to say at that point. In fact, 99.999 times out of 100, he/she will be wrong, reagarding the details.

Let the driver cool down. Let the driver gain perspective. Keep the tabloids in the grocery check out line.
 
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