Kentucky Speedway Sues NASCAR

[Eagle1]

But it is unfair on nascars part to give all the ISC tracks 2 dates, and the rest 1 or no dates. Nascar is a huge monopoly, and Mr. France is a money hungry whore

Lappy, you better get your calculater out and do more calculations.
Louden NH - 2 dates
Pococno PA - 2 dates
Dover DL - 2 dates
Indy MS - 1 date
Richmond - 2 dates
I'm not sure who owns Kansas
The above tracks are privatly owned

Atlanta - 2 dates
Bristol -2 dates
Charlotte (Lowes) - 2 dates
Infinion CA - 1 date
Texas MS - 2 dates
Las Vegas 1 date
I'm thinking SMI owns another track, but can't think of it.
These tracks are owned by SMI
This is over half of the races on the venue.

boB; Yep, the France family owns NASCAR.
As sole owners, they can award dates to any tracks they wish. No monopoly simply because other tracks owned by different owners have dates and there is nothing stopping any race track from holding racing programs. They just won't be NASCAR NEXTEL Cup events.

NASCAR worked for over fifty years to build what it is today and these folks at Kentucky were told before they built their track that NASCAR was not interested in expanding into that market area with the top tier series.

Now Jerry Carroll and company want to have a court tell an independant business owner where and how that owner can sell his product.

I hope we'll see the Busch and CTS series back at Kentucky after ISC buys that track from the bankruptcy courts.
Until then, well maybe they can run some sort of late model or hobby stock races on Saturday nights.

I've seen so much released from the Speedway owners about this lawsuit being about the fans and how those fans deserve a NEXTEL Cup race.

RIGHT!!

Does anyone actually believe this lawsuit is about anyone except those track owners and the size of their bank accounts?

Just one other fact: not all ISC tracks have two Cup dates and several tracks owned by other enities have two or more.

As boB stated, NASCAR is a private enterprise. They could race on all tracks they owned "IF" they so chose, there is nothing illeagle about that.
How do you figure the Frances have a monopoly? NASCAR is a priavatly owned sanctioning body of auto racing. Just 1 sanctioning body of many covering the sport of auto racing. NASCAR does not stop tracks that have NASCAR racing at them from having events supported by other sanctioning bodies. In fact as an example, didn't Pocono have an ARCA race the same weekend as the NASCAR Busch & Cup series were there? That is a different sanctioning body is it not? You can only accuse NASCAR of practicing monopoly type practices if they tried to strong arm tracks that wanted NASCAR events to not allow other sanctioning bodies to race at their tracks. In fact, at all ISC tracks many other types of autoracing by many different sanctioning bodies race there. NASCAR licensed driver race in various different forms of auto racing under many different sanctioning bodies and NASCAR does NOT penalize them or kick them out of NASCAR for doing so.

The France family do not have or make any effort to have a monopoly on auto racing.
The France family owns NASCAR and all rights to it, the same as any other business owns their name and all rights to it.
The France family built NASCAR from its grass roots inception to the 800 lb gorilla it is today worth billions of dollars.
As usually happens in cases like this, you got greedy business people that don't have the intelligence or passion to go out and start their own sanctioning body and make it successful. That would take to long anyway, and they want some of that money NOW, so they come up with a BS lawsuit trying to intimidate NASCAR into letting them get a piece of the pie.

Why don't they put up an amusement park, then sue Disney because they won't let them call it Disneyland or Disneyworld? Don't the people of KY deserve that just as well so they wouldn't have to travel to FL or CA?

You don't like the way NASCAR runs their series? You don't have to watch it, you could just watch Hooters Pro Cup or ARCA. You don't have to race in it, you can go to the other series. Oh yeah, LOL you won't make near as much money. Wonder how come? Because Bill France had the better plan and enforced it. It is HIS plan that succeeded so much that everyone wants a part of.

AS far as NASCAR moving tracks around, get over it. Markets and economics change over time and successful businesses follow them or fold up.
As an example;
Maine used to be the shoe capital of the world when we had quality shoes, Hundreds of businesses depended on that industry for survival, but since tennis shoes became the big sellers these businesses have all closed down and the state and cities lost great economic revenue.
The textile industry is but a fraction of what it was in the early 20th century in this country, creating near ghost towns or very poor towns all over this country.
Coal isn't used as it once was, coal mines all over have shut down putting thousands out of work and creating ghost towns.

Lots of complaining about N Wilksboro, Rockingham, Darlington losing dates. Who are we complaining for, the track owners? They owned them, they can do as they wish with them. The people of that community? What were they owed, they had no investment. For years they got to reap the economic benefits of that track bringing people from all over the country to that town for the racing to spend their vacation money. Had they reinvested some of that money into the local inferstructure improving roads and adding accomodations and services maybe the fans would have kept coming and the seats would've been full and it would not have been profitable to close it.
The fans voted by NOT showing up for the races, so why is everyone crying now?

 

[boB]

Eagle1,

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

At least you and Whizzer seem to have an understanding of the relationship between a sanctioning body and a race track.

Kansas is owned by Jerry Carroll along with several other partners. I'm no sure of all of them without looking it up.
There was quite a bit of media coverage of the fact that NASCAR (Bill France Jr.) was very clear that they had no interest in bringing their top show to that area before Mr. Carroll and crew ever turned a shovel to construct that track.
Now the fools want to sue?

You mention Lowe's (Charlotte) having two dates, but made no mention of the All Star event which they've hosted for all but one year since its inception (the only other track to host the Winston was Atlanta) which is not a NASCAR sanctioned event.

Lappy made the statement that all of the ISC tracks have two dates; the last I knew Darlington was an ISC track which only hosts one date now and I believe Watkins Glen also has only one date.
Nazareth is another ISC track which has for years hosted Busch, Busch North and the Craftsman truck series which has lost all of those dates.

And Lappy, Roger Penske sold his interest in the tracks his company owned to ISC, I can assure you he did not "give" anything to anyone. There's no money to be made from "give".

It's all about the color ink on the bottom line, just like any other business.

 

[barelypure]

What about to gov, that can take a family farm that has been used for over 100 years, just to expaned an airport? or build a highway?

It is a shame but sometimes such things are necessary. That would be a proper use of emminent domain. But, taking that same land to put in a commercial business for the tax money is a different matter.

I'm not saying we should be crying about the tracks that have lost dates, tho I'm not sold that they were replaced by better races just more fan$, but there is a difference in Rockingham losing its races and was a part of NASCAR history and KY wanting a date when they never had one. What makes one more important than the other? This is not a case of "build it and they will come". It is simply if NASCAR thinks money can be made they will give them a date. Unless egos are bruised then...

 

[Whizzer]

ISC owns thirteen tracks, one, Nazareth, no longer has any race dates. Nazareth is currently under contract to be sold for 19 million dollars and the sale closing is scheduled for November, 2005.
Richmond International Raceway and Kansas Speedway are owned by ISC.
ISC is a minority shareholder in Chicagoland Speedway with 37.5 % in stock holdings.

 

[boB]

Hey Whizzer,

Thanks for the correction re: Kansas. I honestly meant Kentucky, but I guess I was having a senior moment?
Oh Well....

My own feelings are that this whole lawsuit deal is B.S. on the part of Jerry Carroll and associates, but then....

Good to see you posting back here again.
boB