Kyle Petty:“I’m sick and freaking tired of hearing Kyle Busch, 98 NASCAR wins"

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Busch’s pending milestone comes with a question

After Thursday night’s win in the Camping World Truck Series, Kyle Busch has 98 victories across NASCAR’s three major series. Two more will give him an even 100, a number reached by only two other drivers – Richard Petty and David Pearson.

So when Busch reaches the century mark – and it’s going to happen sooner than later – should the accomplishment be celebrated? Kyle Petty doesn’t think so.

“I’m sick and freaking tired of hearing Kyle Busch, 98 NASCAR wins,” Petty said Friday during SPEED’s broadcast of Cup practice. “He’s won 21 Cup races. Compare Cup to Cup, Nationwide to Nationwide and Truck to Truck. I’m sorry, that’s a Kyle Petty opinion. But they never do it with anybody but Kyle Busch.”

Petty has a point. When Darrell Waltrip was recently voted into NASCAR’s Hall of Fame, his résumé read 84 wins, not 97 (84 Cup, 13 Nationwide). Dale Earnhardt isn’t recognized as having 97 wins (76 Cup, 21 Nationwide), either; he has 76.

To be fair, Busch’s ability to win races across all three series is impressive. He’s won at least six races a season across the three series since 2005 – his rookie year in Cup. Last year alone he won 24 races (3 Cup, 13 Nationwide and 8 Truck) and he has 12 wins (2, 5, 5) nearing the halfway point of this season.

Detractors will claim that Busch cherry picks the majority of those wins feeding on lesser talent. But that argument doesn’t consider the difficulty it takes to be good at driving three distinctly different vehicles. Just because you’re good in one, doesn’t mean your going to be good in another. Exhibit A in this argument is Jimmie Johnson, who has one win in 91 career Nationwide starts.

Back to Petty’s rant, he reasons that Busch gets credit for all his wins because he currently races in all three series, something no other driver does with as much regularity. There may be some truth to that, but the assumption here is that there’s something more, namely that number 100.

I think back to my childhood looking at the baseball record book my grandfather kept next to the Lazy Boy in his den. I’d scan the numbers of Ruth, Aaron and Mays, jealous that my grandfather got to watch them play, and I’d wonder if I’d ever get to witness the same kind of greatness.

So when I was living near the San Francisco Bay Area in 2002 and Barry Bonds was nearing the 600 home run mark, I wanted to witness it – wanted to experience my own Ruth, Aaron or Mays. It didn’t matter to me that the Giants were playing my favorite team, the Cubs, when Bonds sat on 599. I cheered when he came to the plate. I wanted to be a part of history. (Bonds went 0-for-2 that night, by the way.)

In its own way, Busch nearing the century mark is much the same. Not since Pearson won No. 100 in 1978 has anyone in NASCAR reached triple digits. If we’re strictly going on Cup wins, it’s going to be a long time before anyone does again. Jeff Gordon is closest with 84 wins, but it’s looking doubtful he’ll get there before he retires. Next on the list is Jimmie Johnson at 54.

If we don’t celebrate Busch reaching 100, will we ever get to celebrate anyone getting there? Maybe not, which I think is Petty’s point. Breaking the 100-win barrier is an amazing accomplishment, one that shouldn’t happen all the time. And just because it hasn’t, doesn’t me we should finagle a way for it to happen now.
 
I'm not trying to stir the pot, here. This horse has been beaten many times already.

Just an interesting perspective.
 
Just My Opinion

But Right Now It This Time He Is The Best At What He Does

And I Am Not A Busch Fan At All
 
This has been my point on the whole him having sooooo many Nascar wins its like most of them come from Nationwide and then the second most in the trucks. Take them wins away he isn't even close to 100 wins.
 
The people who need to be told this are the broadcasters, they guys in the booth. Including the ones that Kyle Petty sits with on the Speed TV set.
 
Kyle's a cherry-picker...Wins in lesser series matter....;)
 
Why don't you contradict what he said?

KP's right. It is a remarkable accomplishment, but winning in Trucks is not the same as winning in Cup.

Ok, I'll contradict then...Kyle Busch has the 3rd best win percentage in current Cup drivers, I guess Kyle Petty left that part out. The only two active Cup drivers with a better win percentage than Kyle Busch are Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon, respectively.
 
How Many Of The King's 200 wins are in a support division ?















Zero! :beerbang:
 
Why don't you contradict what he said?

KP's right. It is a remarkable accomplishment, but winning in Trucks is not the same as winning in Cup.

The only reason Richard Petty won more races than anyone else is because he entered more than twice as many races as anyone else, Herb Thomas, Tim Flock and David Pearson had better win percentages than did Richard Petty.

I'll bet Kyle Petty is more "sick and freaking tired" of hearing, "Your dad was the King, how come you sucked?"
 
The only reason Richard Petty won more races than anyone else is because he entered more than twice as many races as anyone else, Herb Thomas, Tim Flock and David Pearson had better win percentages than did Richard Petty.

I'll bet Kyle Petty is more "sick and freaking tired" of hearing, "Your dad was the King, how come you sucked?"

Kyle Busch runs more races every year than Richard Petty ever did in a single season. Moot point.
 
Kyle Busch runs more races every year than Richard Petty ever did in a single season. Moot point.

Back when Richard Petty was driving, the Cup schedule had 50 and 60 races per year. Your point is moot. Try again.

Or maybe Kyle Petty is just pissed that in the 55 Busch/Nationwide races that he entered, he wasn't able to win ONE.
 
Back when Richard Petty was driving, the Cup schedule had 50 and 60 races per year. Your point is moot. Try again.

Or maybe Kyle Petty is just pissed that in the 55 Busch/Nationwide races that he entered, he wasn't able to win ONE.

The most races Richard Petty ran in one season, 54.

Kyle Busch has started in half as many races (in ten years) as Richard Petty in 40 years.
 
The most races Richard Petty ran in one season, 54.

Kyle Busch has started in half as many races (in ten years) as Richard Petty in 40 years.

Gee whiz, man, do a little damn research. Petty ran 61 races in 1964.
This thread isn't about Richard, check the title, it's about Kyle Petty.
Do you really want to compare Kyle Petty's racing career to Kyle Busch's or do you just want to argue about anything. Jeez, take a friggin rest.
 
Gee whiz, man, do a little damn research. Petty ran 61 races in 1964.
This thread isn't about Richard, check the title, it's about Kyle Petty.
Do you really want to compare Kyle Petty's racing career to Kyle Busch's or do you just want to argue about anything. Jeez, take a friggin rest.

Sorry, I missed that one.

Kyle Busch has run half as many races in ten years (actually, less) as Richard Petty in 30 years.

And the thread was about the media comparing Kyle Busch's career stats across three divisions to any other drivers' stats across one series. But, since you have your lips planted firmly on Kyle's dick, you're just going to bash everyone else.

Kyle Busch has 21 wins in Cup, 48 wins in Nationwide and 29 in Trucks.
 
I can see that this is a difficult time of the month for you.
Here's a suggestion: Go get your purse, reach inside and get out your Midol and eat one. Then, wait an hour before you post again.
 
I can see that this is a difficult time of the month for you.
Here's a suggestion: Go get your purse, reach inside and get out your Midol and eat one. Then, wait an hour before you post again.

So, winning Truck races IS the same as winning Cup races and should be considered as such?

Because, if that's so, overall statistics are only mentioned when it comes to Kyle Busch (which was Kyle Petty's point).

Yes, Richard won 100 mile races -- but they were still in the Cup Series.
 
My point was that Kyle Petty sucked as a racecar driver, so him talking negatively about another driver is a joke.
 
My point was that Kyle Petty sucked as a racecar driver, so him talking negatively about another driver is a joke.

He wasn't talking negatively about another driver. I know, every time the words "Kyle Busch" are mentioned, you think everyone's bashing him... it's just not true.

Kyle was on SPEED, and he was taking issue with everyone else on SPEED saying "Kyle Busch has 98 NASCAR wins" and comparing Kyle's 98 wins to other drivers' records in a single series. That's not bashing Kyle Busch, that's criticizing the media for something even Kyle Busch fans can admit is asinine.

98 wins in NASCAR is impressive, but it's not the same as Jeff Gordon's 84 Cup Series wins. It's a sidebar statistic.
 
It's like, say last month, if FOX were to say Derek Jeter had over 3,000 hits because they were including his stats in AAA-Columbus.
 
He has 21 wins. End of story

This has been my point on the whole him having sooooo many Nascar wins its like most of them come from Nationwide and then the second most in the trucks. Take them wins away he isn't even close to 100 wins.

Thats why I like Kyle Petty, he's not afraid to contradict the norm.

Why don't you contradict what he said?

KP's right. It is a remarkable accomplishment, but winning in Trucks is not the same as winning in Cup.

Agreed with all of this 100%

My point was that Kyle Petty sucked as a racecar driver, so him talking negatively about another driver is a joke.

Just because he was never a successful driver doesn't mean that he's not right.

Kyle Busch has 21 Cup wins, end of story.
 
He wasn't talking negatively about another driver. I know, every time the words "Kyle Busch" are mentioned, you think everyone's bashing him... it's just not true.

Kyle was on SPEED, and he was taking issue with everyone else on SPEED saying "Kyle Busch has 98 NASCAR wins" and comparing Kyle's 98 wins to other drivers' records in a single series. That's not bashing Kyle Busch, that's criticizing the media for something even Kyle Busch fans can admit is asinine.

98 wins in NASCAR is impressive, but it's not the same as Jeff Gordon's 84 Cup Series wins. It's a sidebar statistic.

90% of the time when Kyle Busch is mentioned in a thread it turns into a bash thread.
Career racing statistics are just that; statistics. When you go to ANY stat page, ALL stats are listed, so to me there is relevance to ALL stats.
 
90% of the time when Kyle Busch is mentioned in a thread it turns into a bash thread.
Career racing statistics are just that; statistics. When you go to ANY stat page, ALL stats are listed, so to me there is relevance to ALL stats.

It's not Kyle Busch bashing, it's media bashing.

77 wins in Nationwide and Trucks are not comparable to 84 wins in Cup... SPEED saying 77 wins in Nationwide and Trucks is the same as David Pearson winning 105 Cup races is asinine.
 
The fact that only 2 driver's, so far, have won over 100 races in any series makes it relevant.
The fact that 5-time Cup Champion Jimmie Johnson has entered 90+ Busch/Nationwide races and only has 1 victory also adds relevance.
 
The fact that only 2 driver's, so far, have won over 100 races in any series makes it relevant.

That's exactly the point though, SPEED is including Nationwide and Truck statistics to say Kyle Busch has won 100 races because nobody will ever win 100 Cup races.
 
The fact that 5-time Cup Champion Jimmie Johnson has entered 90+ Busch/Nationwide races and only has 1 victory also adds relevance.

Jimmie Johnson has also won five championships and 54 Sprint Cup Series wins.

Kyle Busch has 21 Cup wins... not 98 Cup wins.
 
Jimmie Johnson has also won five championships and 54 Sprint Cup Series wins.

Kyle Busch has 21 Cup wins... not 98 Cup wins.

I'm aware of JJ's stats. The two series cars drive differently, it has to say something for Kyle that he has accomplished something in a particular series car that JJ was unable to accomplish.
 
The only reason Richard Petty won more races than anyone else is because he entered more than twice as many races as anyone else, Herb Thomas, Tim Flock and David Pearson had better win percentages than did Richard Petty.

I'll bet Kyle Petty is more "sick and freaking tired" of hearing, "Your dad was the King, how come you sucked?"

Was there someone at the gate with a gun keeping other competitors out? Kyle has often said that he's not his dad, but he did have a respectable career.
 
I knew this was coming My Driver Is Batter Than Your Driver This Chit Kills Me


Anybody Up For A Little Game The Only Requirement Is That U Tell The Truth I Know That Some Of U Will Have Troubles With That. And U Only Use The Facts.
 
I knew this was coming My Driver Is Batter Than Your Driver This Chit Kills Me


Anybody Up For A Little Game The Only Requirement Is That U Tell The Truth I Know That Some Of U Will Have Troubles With That. And U Only Use The Facts.

It sucks but it's normal for this place. Seems every thread somehow turns into a bash thread.
 
In the most critical races or the chase event races Kyle has 1 win, and I think he wasn't a Chase contender in getting that one win.
Meanwhile Johnson has won 19 chase races.


While I agree that Kyle B is great driver, nobody is better in a short dash, or demonstrates better car control. But it is still a demonstrated fact that he hasn't been the best overall when it counted most.


He also is young and has lots of future time to prove he's the best. He has a new wife and there is a work of house breaking in progress, he's becoming more mature with time, which may lead to more cup success, who knows.


No, Kyle Petty was never in Kyle Busch league, but if we used that criteria, we shouldn't post our criticisms of any cup drivers either, we just not in their league.


But Kyle Petty has given a lot to racing as well, a son, and a leg, I think he has more than enough cred to commentate, and have an opinion.


Really hard to compare Kyle B to Richard Petty. The eras were so different, it was less competitive in Petty's era of the 60's. But it was also more dangerous, rugged, all of those 50 races plus seasons was accomplished without today's comforts. Petty endured those grinds with a very approachable pepsodent smile, and boat loads of time for the fans. He was one of a kind.


I dont think Kyle could have been the consistent postive force that Nascar needed and had with Petty in those days. But I dont see R. Petty being as good in a short run as Kyle. It is tough to compare them.
 
In the most critical races or the chase event races Kyle has 1 win, and I think he wasn't a Chase contender in getting that one win.
Meanwhile Johnson has won 19 chase races.


While I agree that Kyle B is great driver, nobody is better in a short dash, or demonstrates better car control. But it is still a demonstrated fact that he hasn't been the best overall when it counted most.


He also is young and has lots of future time to prove he's the best. He has a new wife and there is a work of house breaking in progress, he's becoming more mature with time, which may lead to more cup success, who knows.


No, Kyle Petty was never in Kyle Busch league, but if we used that criteria, we shouldn't post our criticisms of any cup drivers either, we just not in their league.


But Kyle Petty has given a lot to racing as well, a son, and a leg, I think he has more than enough cred to commentate, and have an opinion.


Really hard to compare Kyle B to Richard Petty. The eras were so different, it was less competitive in Petty's era of the 60's. But it was also more dangerous, rugged, all of those 50 races plus seasons was accomplished without today's comforts. Petty endured those grinds with a very approachable pepsodent smile, and boat loads of time for the fans. He was one of a kind.


I dont think Kyle could have been the consistent postive force that Nascar needed and had with Petty in those days. But I dont see R. Petty being as good in a short run as Kyle. It is tough to compare them.

All true points...
 
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