Legit Champion or?

There wasn't any conspiracy. That's just silly. Dillon won legit according to the rules. Nascar did screw up the end and probably should have red flagged it. But incompetence does not make a conspiracy.
 
This is the reason the Chase was started in the Cup Series. The problem with the Busch Series is that Cup drivers don't get points for their finishes, if they still did either Kyle or Kes would've won it because they'd have run every event except for conflicting dates. I mean really I love it that Austin won but I am disappointed that he was unable to win a single race. I'd honestly would've like to seen Jr Motorsports driver Regan Smith win that title but the system is what it is, Austin was the most consistent so he's the champ.
 
Restrictor Plate King! said:
This is the reason the Chase was started in the Cup Series. The problem with the Busch Series is that Cup drivers don't get points for their finishes, if they still did either Kyle or Kes would've won it because they'd have run every event except for conflicting dates. I mean really I love it that Austin won but I am disappointed that he was unable to win a single race. I'd honestly would've like to seen Jr Motorsports driver Regan Smith win that title but the system is what it is, Austin was the most consistent so he's the champ.
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Well Elliot told Regan that "you will not win this championship" and he was right
 
Yep, still legit.

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Even though i was rooting for Hornish and would have liked to have seen it go the other way, i feel it was 100% legit.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Did the trophy come filled with a big pile of sh!t or does he get that after the ceremony?
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He got the most points fair and square and by the rule book so he is a legitimate 2 time Nascar champion and I can't wait for him to get the Trifecta no one else has ever accomplished, a championship in all three series.
 
Nitro Dude said:
Even though i was rooting for Hornish and would have liked to have seen it go the other way, i feel it was 100% legit.
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Not saying Nascar took the championship from Hornish, or he deserves to be in Dillion's spot right now. Just saying what they did at the end of the race wasn't consistent with other decisions they have made in the past, and may have altered the out come of the championship, or it may have not. However, if they would have made a consistent call then people other than Dillion fans would call this championship legit.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Not saying Nascar took the championship from Hornish, or he deserves to be in Dillion's spot right now. Just saying what they did at the end of the race wasn't consistent with other decisions they have made in the past, and may have altered the out come of the championship, or it may have not. However, if they would have made a consistent call then people other than Dillion fans would call this championship legit.
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After watching the last thirty laps 3 more times this morning I take Robin Pemberton's explanation for the delay to be reasonable and plausible, but that's only my opinion and so is the fact that I believe Austin Dillon won the championship fair and square and by the rule book. We will continue to agree to disagree I guess.
 
Johali said:
After watching the last thirty laps 3 more times this morning I take Robin Pemberton's explanation for the delay to be reasonable and plausible, but that's only my opinion and so is the fact that I believe Austin Dillon won the championship fair and square and by the rule book. We will continue to agree to disagree I guess.
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I agree Austin won the championship within the rules CREATED by Nascar. My issue isn't with Dillion. My issue is with the inconsistent calls that Nascar make. With 10, 7, 6, 5, and even 3 laps to go they should know the status of their racing surface with an idea on how long it will take to clean it up. They didn't just start racing this year. Nascar has been doing this for over half a century. So I don't buy the fact that they didn't know the extent of the damage done to the track or how long it would have taken to clean up. Honestly if it isn't clean by 6 to go they should have red flagged it. I honestly believe if they were a spring race they would have done that exact thing. I truly believe they wanted Dillion over Hornish, Dillion was in the position he needed to be in, and Nascar felt no reason to finish the race under green.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
I agree Austin won the championship within the rules CREATED by Nascar. My issue isn't with Dillion. My issue is with the inconsistent calls that Nascar make. With 10, 7, 6, 5, and even 3 laps to go they should know the status of their racing surface with an idea on how long it will take to clean it up. They didn't just start racing this year. Nascar has been doing this for over half a century. So I don't buy the fact that they didn't know the extent of the damage done to the track or how long it would have taken to clean up. Honestly if it isn't clean by 6 to go they should have red flagged it. I honestly believe if they were a spring race they would have done that exact thing. I truly believe they wanted Dillion over Hornish, Dillion was in the position he needed to be in, and Nascar felt no reason to finish the race under green.
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So you think it was a conspiracy launched by Nascar Officials to make Austin Dillon the 2013 NNS Champion?
 
Haven't even read this whole thread, but it's just like all the others. NASCAR did everything i their power to make sure that Dillon won the championship. Of course, this is Racing-Forums, so if NASCAR did throw the red flag, it would have been apparent that they did everything in their power to keep Dillon from winning the title.
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Johali said:
So you think it was a conspiracy launched by Nascar Officials to make Austin Dillon the 2013 NNS Champion?
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Not a season long conspiracy as in Nascar gave everything to Dillion all season to make sure he got what they wanted. I think it came down to the last caution, their guy Dillion (over Hornish) was in the position he needed to be in, and they felt no effort was needed to go back to green. Look it benifits NASCAR more if their NNS champ is moving on to Cup for a top team, instead of a Champ who currently doesn't have a ride for next year. Nascar took a call for the bigger picture. I 100% feel that way.
 
Johali said:
So you think it was a conspiracy launched by Nascar Officials to make Austin Dillon the 2013 NNS Champion?
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There's little doubt that that's the case. Heck, you even witnessed first hand how they gave him the inaugural win @ Eldora in the Truck Series. It's obvious that NASCAR loves the Dillons.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
There's little doubt that that's the case. Heck, you even witnessed first hand how they gave him the inaugural win @ Eldora in the Truck Series. It's obvious that NASCAR loves the Dillons.
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Yeah I forgot about that, they gave us all shoes to throw on the track in front of the other trucks.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
I agree Austin won the championship within the rules CREATED by Nascar. My issue isn't with Dillion. My issue is with the inconsistent calls that Nascar make. With 10, 7, 6, 5, and even 3 laps to go they should know the status of their racing surface with an idea on how long it will take to clean it up. They didn't just start racing this year. Nascar has been doing this for over half a century. So I don't buy the fact that they didn't know the extent of the damage done to the track or how long it would have taken to clean up. Honestly if it isn't clean by 6 to go they should have red flagged it. I honestly believe if they were a spring race they would have done that exact thing. I truly believe they wanted Dillion over Hornish, Dillion was in the position he needed to be in, and Nascar felt no reason to finish the race under green.
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I can understand that they couldn't know exactly how long it would take to clean the oil off the track. But that still doesn't excuse them for not red flagging the race.

Before it got down to 10 to go they should have stopped the race to give the clean up crew as much time as needed to clean the track without running the majority of laps out under yellow.

nascar has red flagged races in that situation many times in the past, and with so much on the line in this race it was borderline incompetence to run that many laps out under yellow.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Can someone, anyone, explain to me why NASCAR wanted Austin to win the title?
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It isn't that Nascar had picked Dillion at the beginning of the season and said he will be our champion. When it came down to the last 10 laps of the season under caution and it was either Dillion or Hornish it was in their best interest to allow the race to finish under caution and let Dillion win it. I believe that 100%. Not saying Nascar is scripted, just that at the end of the day it wasn't in Nascar's best interest to do something they have done several times in the past by red flagging the race.
 
gordonite said:
I can understand that they couldn't know exactly how long it would take to clean the oil off the track. But that still doesn't excuse them for not red flagging the race.

Before it got down to 10 to go they should have stopped the race to give the clean up crew as much time as needed to clean the track without running the majority of laps out under yellow.

nascar has red flagged races in that situation many times in the past, and with so much on the line in this race it was borderline incompetence to run that many laps out under yellow.
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DING DING DING we have a winner!! Thank you!
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Can someone, anyone, explain to me why NASCAR wanted Austin to win the title?
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Is there any explanation you'd accept or do you have your mind made up already? Same question can be asked of those who are positive that they did in fact manipulate the race in Dillon's favor.
 
#17D500winner said:
Is there any explanation you'd accept or do you have your mind made up already? Same question can be asked of those who are positive that they did in fact manipulate the race in Dillon's favor.
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I wouldn't say Nascar manipulated the race though. I think manipulating the race would mean they put the oil on the track, or purposely didn't clean the track in time, or bent the rules to let Austin win. I just think they didn't make a consistent decision on something they felt no need to do it on. Past races they would throw the red flag, for whatever reason they felt they didn't need to with this race. I firmly think that reason was that the guy they wanted to win the Championship was where he needed to be. That is all.
 
#17D500winner said:
Is there any explanation you'd accept or do you have your mind made up already? Same question can be asked of those who are positive that they did in fact manipulate the race in Dillon's favor.
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Yep, you caught me. :oops: I've already got my mind made up just like you and everyone else on this and many other subjects.

I was just wondering why on the other side of NASCAR's coin they'd allow Jimmie to continue to take home the Cup when it doesn't seem to be the fan's favorite choice. Yet they manipulate the odds in favor of Austin. Then again, I'm talking Jimmie Johnson. There's no stopping that guy.
 
I didn't really care who won the championship. I just wanted to see as many green flag laps as possible after that wreck.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Yep, you caught me. :oops: I've already got my mind made up just like you and everyone else on this and many other subjects.

I was just wondering why on the other side of NASCAR's coin they'd allow Jimmie to continue to take home the Cup when it doesn't seem to be the fan's favorite choice. Yet they manipulate the odds in favor of Austin. Then again, I'm talking Jimmie Johnson. There's no stopping that guy.
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YEP.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Yep, you caught me. :oops: I've already got my mind made up just like you and everyone else on this and many other subjects.

I was just wondering why on the other side of NASCAR's coin they'd allow Jimmie to continue to take home the Cup when it doesn't seem to be the fan's favorite choice. Yet they manipulate the odds in favor of Austin. Then again, I'm talking Jimmie Johnson. There's no stopping that guy.
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Johali said:
YEP.
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Who knows if it were Kenseth with a 3 point lead over Johnson they probably would have kept it yellow. If it was Johnson with that 3 point lead over Kenseth they probably would have red flagged it. Point is not sure how you can bring Johnson into this arguement, but whatever.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Yep, you caught me. :oops: I've already got my mind made up just like you and everyone else on this and many other subjects.

I was just wondering why on the other side of NASCAR's coin they'd allow Jimmie to continue to take home the Cup when it doesn't seem to be the fan's favorite choice. Yet they manipulate the odds in favor of Austin. Then again, I'm talking Jimmie Johnson. There's no stopping that guy.
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You do realize that I never said, nor do I think, that Nascar manipulated the outcome of that race? My main beef is that I feel robbed of some potentially very good racing by them wasting all those laps under caution.

Would they manipulate a race? I think that given the right circumstances they would but I just don't know if that happened in this case. If someone were to offer some proof of wrongdoing other than conjecture, however, I'd look at it with an opened mind.

Now, when is Daytona? I'm ready for some more racing :)

I should add that it was one of the best races I've seen all year - in any series - and was marred only by those needless caution laps at the end.
 
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