LOL! Ford Recalls over 700,000 Trucks

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THIS IS TOO FUNNY! After Dodge was being ripped for weeks about the "Upper Ball Joint" recall on 2000-2003 Dakota's and Durango's, now the laughter goes to FORD! I guess now Ford isnt all that TOUGH is it?

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Can I assume you drive a Dodge, Nitro? :) I can understand the concern for a recall of a possible hazard to the public............but I don't understand the "LOL" because of it. I don't remember Dodge being raked over the coals about their recall............I remember the recall but I sure don't remember Ford jumping up gloating about Dodges' misfortune. As I see it, every vehicle manufacturer has occasional recalls for defects that crop up after a period of use by the consumers. That will happen (and continue to happen) as long as there is competition for buyers of any competing brand of any product........everyone wants "cutting edge" technology. So the real culprit here is us........the consumer! At least the manufacturers are voluntarily doing the recalls. "Cutting edge" stuff is sometimes flawed, but we demand it so we have to live with the occasional glitches. Laughing about it is really childish. Think of the money any manufacturer has to spend to correct that flaw of the "cutting edge" stuff we demand.........really adds to the 20,000 some odd bucks we have to lay out for a "beta product". I think you should be more sad than happy...........even if you do drive a Dodge.
 
Yes, I do drive a Dodge, and there was a recent recall on all '00-03' Dakota's and Durango's for "Upper-Ball joint" replacement, and I have had to take some flack from people, since I have an '02 Dakota. Some of them people who were giving me flack; drive FORD's, and since FORD claims to be #1; I find it funny that they can go up in flames. Lighten up abit!
 
Hey Nitro,

Maybe you should take a look and see what the number one selling vehicle in the United States has been for the last twenty-five or so years?

HINT: It sure as the dickens ain't a Dodge!

HINT #2: It ain't a GM product either!

HINT#3: Nope, it isn't a Toyota or Honda either!

Give up?

It's Ford's F-series pickup!
Quality is still Job 1 and I guess sales prove it!
 
Don't mean schiznit to me!!! Dodge is #1 in my book; always has been, and always will be!!! I had a newer Ford Ranger, and I wish I never had it...nothing but probs, and difficult as hell to work on, because Ford does everthing bass-akwards,and also way too small. I do kinda like the New F-150, but not enough to buy one; hell I'd buy an old Chevy LUV before I'd buy a new Ford anything!!!!
 
Tell me all about that when that good old Dodge is 22 years old and over 320,000 miles on it. :) Granted, if I were to go out a purchase a brand new F-250 to replace that poor old work truck of mine (that F-250), it might very well be a "lemon"......but the history of that particular truck would sure sway my opinion in favor of another one just like it. I once drove a Dodge Ram 50 as a work truck..........put almost 100,000 miles on it in just over a year. Pretty trouble free truck too.........though it didn't get too much driving other that highway stuff (very little stop and go). I wouldn't back off from a Dodge but, I leanings would be toward Ford. I would never slam any vehicle make even if I got a lemon............actually I did have a lemon once!! It was a Ford Grand Torino......what a piece of junk that was!! :D
 
I wont have it that long; I don't like keeping cars past the 4-5 year loan. Cars depreciate, and I'm gonna get what I can out the truck for a decent trade. Hell; I just traded my '97 Dakota Slt 4x4 for the newer Kota; it had 113,000 miles on it ,and I got $8000 for trade-in. The salesman thought it was at least a 2000 model until I told him it was a '97. I try to keep my cars in pristine condition, so I can get a good price out of it if needed.
 
bx3 said:
Breakfast foods?
Actually to a Dodge thats what a Chevy is. Before I bought my 02 Kota, I concidered buying a Chevy Colorado, or a GMC Canyon, until I parked next to one at the Lot...They are still quite a bit smaller than the Kota, so I decided to stay with the Dodge.
 
I might get a Dodge dully, but for a driver i will never own anything but a GM, I would look at the German cars, and maybe a Mustang, but thats it
 
But the simple fact remains that the Ford F150 has been the best selling vehicle in this country for the last twenty-eight years.
They must be doing something right!
 
do you know what has to happen for them to have a recall? First there has to be a lot of accidents involving the malfunction...then they have to estimate the percentage of failure rate...then they multiply that number of estimated malfunctions times the cost of a wrongful death suit...if the total is less than it would cost for a recall, then they don't do ANYTHING...if the total is more, then they do a recall...pretty scary.
 
There have been no accidents involved with the latest Ford recall. It involves the brake switch for the cruise control system which can overheat, melt and cause the vehicle to catch fire. All of the fires have been after the vehicle has been shut off and setting for a period of time; in one or two of the cases the vehicle fires spread to nearby houses.
Because of the number of vehicles involved, Ford will disconect the cruise control until such time as a sufficent number of replacement switches can be manufactured.

The whole deal with the Dodge upper ball joint recall was really quite overdone in the media; there were no cases of accidents resulting from a broken upper ball joint; those bad ball joints make enough noise that only a complete fool would keep driving the vehicle without having it checked out and the only cases of failure have been when the steering is turned all the way over to lock as might occur in parking or turning the vehicle around at slow speed.
I believe I have seen something about Damiler/Chrysler exploring the possibility of filing lawsuits against either CBS or CNN because of the alarmist manner in which the whole story was brought to public attention.
It was most certainly not responsible journalism, but it was sensational to say the least. Lot's of headlines, sold lots of papers, grabbed lots of viewers to the evening news shows and that's all that matters, isn't it?
 
boB said:
Lot's of headlines, sold lots of papers, grabbed lots of viewers to the evening news shows and that's all that matters, isn't it?

I think you nailed it pretty squarely on the head, boB. But, we'll still have the "bottom line" argument directed at the wrong people. The fact that both manufacturers voluntarily recalled both vehicles makes no difference......an argument will be put up that somehow diminishes that fact. Many in the public are so anti-business that they blindly believe anything that appears to supports that bias. The real bottom line is that both Daimler/Chrysler and Ford did the right thing.........but neither gets credit for it.
 
why did they recall them?? someone told me that it was because of there cruise mecanism or something. Like when its on for 2 long it could catch fire. O Well ill just keep buying my chevy's :beerbang:
 
Silly argument.............every vehicle manufacturer has had a recall or two. One is no better than another in the recall area. :boxing:
 
Actually this whole thing with automobile recalls is, in my own opinion, getting rather rediculious.
I started in the business in the mid 1950's; cars still had ignition points, plain old spark plugs, bias ply tires, manual chokes and mechanical lifters.

Most warantee's were somewhere between 30 days and 3,000 miles to maybe 12,000 miles and one year.
They covered the major components, engine, transmission, and certain suspension parts.
Items like brake parts, clutches, tires, lights, wipers and a whole list of other parts were considered wear items and it was up to the customer to take care of their repair or replacement.

Points and plugs lasted anywhere from 5 to 10,000 miles, valves needed to be adjusted at about the same interval, tires might make 8 to 10,000 miles before they needed replacement, usually valves were refaced and seats reground somewhere around 25,000 miles and rings and bearings were replace when the second valve job was done.

My 1958 Chevrolet was probably the very worst example of the automotive art that was ever foisted off on the buying public. It was impossible to keep ball joints in the car, they might last for a complete year, but usually I had to replace them more often than that. Of course here in New England we have more than our share of frost heaves, potholes and at that time in my area there were still many miles of unpaved roads.
As I was working in a garage at the time, this car was washed several times a week and in less than two years the front seat fell through the floor, the front fenders were rusted out over the headlites, there were holes in the trunk and in the rear wheel wells also.
If you wanted to make any sort of a corner with it, you needed to be slowing down and with the old drum brakes, that required an appointment at least a day or two in advance if your speed was much over a fast walk.
Now folks actually think those cars were great and spend tons of money to restore them. They were really pretty sorry excuses and just one more reason the imports suceeded so well here.

Then, because Chrysler Corp. wasn't selling all that well, they were worse in all respects than the GM products of the day, they decided to offer a 7 year, 70,000 mile warantee.
That did help their sales a very small amount and nearly bankrupt the company.
For years Chrysler's largest customer was their own leasing company and they had cars sitting on storage lots all around the country.
But the idea of extended warantee's caught on with the consumer, other manufacter's jumped on the wagon in the hopes of selling more of the rather poor quality product to the masses of consumers. That worked, to a degree at least, until both European and Japanese imports showed the American consumer that cars didn't have to cost quite so much to give much better quality construction, reasonable economy and less polution.
The problem came about with those extended warantee programs, warantee cost per vehicle was driving the profits down and shoddy workmanship sending customers to the import dealer's showrooms.
While all this was happening, someone had to pay the price, so the consumer picked up the tab in the higher vehicle sticker price.

Nothing comes for free.

Then a gentleman by the name of Ralph Nadar wrote a book about the lack of concern for consumer safety in the automobile industry and suddenly we started to have massive safety recalls.
By the way, Ralph Nadar has absolutely no automotive engineering knowledge and doesn't even to this day, hold a driver's license, but he is considered an expert in the field of automotive safety? Yeah, sure he is!

The race was on and the end is still nowhere in sight. Now the consumer wants, indeed demands, the manufacturer to be completely responsible and liable for their automobile from the day it leaves the factory until it ends up completely worn out in a salvage yard. Of course in the ideal world, that would never happen as the manufacturer would build a product that would last a lifetime and never need to be replaced.

So our plain-jane, no frills car now costs us on average somewhere around $25,000, the warantees still vary greatly, both in time, mileage and items covered, but to appease the consumer and the consumer advocates, the manufacters are forced to recall vehicles that in most cases would (and should) be considered close to being sent to their final reward at the great junkyard (oopps, that's salvage yard, nowadays, isn't it?) in the sky. Actually, they get torn apart and nearly all of the material in today's vehicles is recycled into the next generation of cars to be passed on once again to another consumer.

But at least most of today's cars will last a lot longer, both in terms of mileage and time, they are safer, more comfortable, stop and handle so much better that there is no comparison, offer features which were available in only the highest priced vehicles of only a few years ago and the manufacturers are willing to recall them without the government forcing them to do so, as evidenced by the recent actions of both Damilar/Chrysler and Ford Motor Company.
Both of these were voluntary recalls by the respective manufacturers when they were made aware of problems with their products.

In the last twenty years, I've owned a rather varied assortment of makes and models, both American and Imported, and every one of those cars has gone well over 100,000 miles, has been relatively economical to operate and only an idiot would wish to have something like that 1958 Chevrolet to depend on every day.
The newer cars start when it's -25 degrees, they get much better gas mileage, I haven't had to replace any rusted out body or floor panels, the disc brakes usually last somewhere around 65 to 75,000 miles, the only engine repairs have been a set of bearings and an oil pump for an old Ford pickup at over 265,000 miles, and I did have to replace a clutch in my little Plymouth Reliant station wagon at 215,000 miles. Oh yeah, had to do the front wheel bearings and one axle on one of the Ford Taurus wagons we had too. That was around 150,000 miles.

Sorry to make this so long, but I just wanted to make the point that today's cars, no matter who builds them, are so far ahead of what was offered only a few years ago that this whole issue of the recalls is, as I pointed out in a previous post, in reality a non-issue. It is something the media has jumped on in order to sell itself to the uninformed general public.

I think it is well past the time when we demand that the media report the news as news and stop trying to make news stories where there are none in a feeble attempt to sell themselves to the general public in order to please their sponsors.

But then again, who the devil am I to think that way?
 
And my point is, why in the world should any manufacter be responsible for parts of their vehicles which were built and have been in use for nearly eight years?

Isn't that rediculous? NO, it is sheer stupidity!
Some of the vehicles recalled have up to 100,000 miles on them and if you think the manufacter is paying the cost, you're dead wrong!

You, the consumer will.
 
And my point beyond the rediculous arguments about who's best and using the reported problems of one make over another to bolster a silly point of view, one should be more sad than happy when any manufacturer has a recall. It costs us all...........and the very least that could be mentioned is that they are voluntary recalls.

I'm off my soap box now.
 
i have 2 people have that have fords catch on fire and burn there house down, or just there car port.

GM/Chevy has the longest lasting truch n the road, plus they hold there resale value really good. (and they look better cause a 92 chevy is sexy, but a 92 ford or dodge is just UGLY well all fords and dodges are)
 
But Lappy, if those Fords are so ugly, why has the F150 been the best selling vehicle in the country for something like 28 years now?

Curious minds would like to know!
 
This Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge thing will never go away. All vehicles have a problem or two. Every manufacturer has had there lemons( Pinto, Vega). Every one out there has Ford, Chevy Dodge nightmare story. Face it the worst car on the road today is 100 times better than the BEST car of 20 years ago. I'm a dieHard Ford guy, cut me and I bleed blue. But I have to say the 02 Dodge Ram I'm currently driving is good piece of equipment. Now before anyone jumps on this it was purely economics on my choice....... Zero down and no interest for 5 years plus my Brother-in-laws discount. I traded away my 13 year old F-150 for it.
 
I think Ford has out sold GM about 3 out of the last 70 years. Most years GM sold more trucks than Ford and Dodge combined.
 
tabasco,

I hate to break your bubble my friend, but the Ford F150 has been the best selling vehicle in the United States for the last twenty-eight years running.

Not just the best selling pick-up, but the best selling vehicle.

Check it out!
 
Just rechecked the figures:

The F150 has been the best seller overall for 21 years and the best selling pickup for the the last 26.

Third quarter sales of new pickups for 2004 listed the F150 on top, Toyota in second, Dodge Dakota in third, Chevy Silverado 1500 in fourth and the Nissan in fifth.

That's from the listings on the MSN auto webpage.
 
Ford sold 939,511 trucks last year. Chevy sold 777,784 and GMC sold 196,684 for a total of 974,473. Sorry, but GM out sold Ford again.
 
There ya go manipulating the numbers to suit yourself. The F-150 is the SINGLE best selling vehicle in the USA, you going to start adding in S-10's( or whatever there called now) too.??????
 
No, just the facts. It goes back to the 1930's. Ford did out sale GM one year in the early 70's because of a strike.
 
Man, I love statistics!! :beerbang: They can be presented in almost any way you want to further your argument!! All I can say is that I see a lot of Fords on the road.........probably more Chevys here in the Los Angeles area since this is definitely Chevy country!! :) But get a little further out of this county and San Bernardino, Riverside, Orange and maybe San Diego (the major Southern California counties) and that pretty much evaporates!! I happen to drive a Ford truck............but it's not because of it's popularity. It's simple with me.........the darn thing is 22 years old and has over 320,000 miles on it and it just keeps on ticking!! Normal maintenance and upkeep are the only things I've been doing for it!! :D It's been abused too.....just a couple months ago a big eucalyptus branch fell across the bed (by big, I mean about 14" in diameter and about 30 ft long...sort of like a fair sized tree)......bent my tail gate and put a couple of new dents in the side rails!! A chain saw and about an hour to dig it out and drove away!! :) I'm impressed. :beerbang:
 
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