Lot's of talk on new manufacturers, but who?

There was talk/rumors of VW entering nascar years ago that never became reality. With VW's current problem with the diesel emission's and their billion dollar payout don't look for them to even think about it again.
I think any top tier team would require a long term, mega multi million dollar incentive to switch and with the world economy today I don't see it happening.
 
As a manufacturer I would need to know what the benefits of an association with Nascar would be. Will my brand awareness increase and lead to higher sales? Will the technology used in Nascar aid in development for my showroom products? Does the Nascar demographic reflect the demo I am looking for with my showroom product? If I can answer yes to those and other pertinent questions it would be something I would look into but if the responses were either lukewarm or no I would look elsewhere.
 
I think the best solution for Nascar would be to have a manufacturer build spec engines for the series and that way it would be much easier for manufacturers to get in and out of the series. Before the board blows up at me this is not something that I would personally like to see but it seems a natural extension of where Nascar is headed. For all intents and purposes a spec racer is already used with decals being the main thing that distinguishes brand identity so why not go the full monty?

In 1988 you could could have a field of black or white cars with no decals and easily see the difference between a Regal, a T-Bird, a Monte Carlo, Grand Prix or Cutlass. Try doing that same experiment today and you would stand a better chance of correctly answering the final Jeopardy question for a month.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Yikes. Where did that info come from?
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Yes, totally an opinion, but I feel like you can see it across the board. Losing SHR, Hendrick not being as dominant, not being as dominant in indycar, poor showing at le mans. Just little things that I think add up to a trend. They aren't going away or leaving autoracing. I think they have just taken a step back or a step sideways in their level of funding. Let's face it, they have been pretty dominant for the past decade or so all across the board, so maybe they don't need to fund it so well. Its really just a marketing ploy and they have been having some issues on the manufacturing side as of late that might have taken a hit to their wallet. Again, this is all speculation.
 
cheesepuffs said:
Nissan isn't even running TV ads for the new Titan, so I don't see them committing to the truck series and beyond.

I've said it here before and I'll say it again: It's Kia. There's a whole restructuring happening with parent company Hyundai where Hyundai and their new Genesis sub-brand are going up-market and higher priced and Kia is now identified as the Ford/Chevy/Toyota competitor. They need to ingrain the Kia name into American mainstream culture more just like what Toyota used the sport for. They want to become a volume player on par in sales with these guys, and what better way to rub elbows with your peers?
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Kia is Hyundai?
 
Yes. That's enough for today. We don't want to overwhelm you.
 
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Mispeedway15 said:
Oh I know that but how cool would it be to see that kind of design in NASCAR
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This is why I love the new NASCAR expansion in Forza 6. You can take a bunch of other manufacturers cars, upgrade them a bit, and see how well they do at Homestead and Daytona. Spoiler alert: the Subaru plows like crazy.
 
Acs said:
This is why I love the new NASCAR expansion in Forza 6. You can take a bunch of other manufacturers cars, upgrade them a bit, and see how well they do at Homestead and Daytona. Spoiler alert: the Subaru plows like crazy.
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I for one would love to be able to drive a dump truck on a track, just to see what turning like a dump truck feels like
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
For all intents and purposes a spec racer is already used with decals being the main thing that distinguishes brand identity so why not go the full monty?
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I hear what you are saying, but IMO that makes things like Toyota's early season dominance all the more fascinating. The box is so small. This IMO is why engineering has become so significant in this series.
 
I haven't been keeping up but I thought JGR was dominate in the beginning of the season do to pit stops. They even supplied a full pit crew to Truex team.
 
Team Penske said:
I haven't been keeping up but I thought JGR was dominate in the beginning of the season do to pit stops. They even supplied a full pit crew to Truex team.
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They still are. At Sonoma they were basically 4 out of the top 5. I'd consider Truex a satellite Gibbs car, he led pretty much every lap of the 600.
 
Revman said:
I hear what you are saying, but IMO that makes things like Toyota's early season dominance all the more fascinating. The box is so small. This IMO is why engineering has become so significant in this series.
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IDK if any cost savings would be realized by using a spec engine or if it just make the teams have to spend even more. The number of engineers on the payroll and/or affiliated with the top teams is staggering and in terms of cost I can't see it as a good thing but certainly necessary in today's Nascar. I think as long as the top teams are able to get enough funds through the manufacturer and sponsors the arms race will continue and the gap between the haves and have nots will continue to widen.
 
Team Penske said:
I haven't been keeping up but I thought JGR was dominate in the beginning of the season do to pit stops. They even supplied a full pit crew to Truex team.
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Pit stops are part of the equation, but IMO TRD Toyotas had/have real speed.
 
Hey Skoal, why not Nascar-owned haulers (about 5 would be adequate) showing up with 40 spec chassis (supplied by lowest bidder, Weld Racing) fitted with 40 spec bodies (sponsored by Collision King) and 40 spec motors (presented by Jasper Engines)? Also Nascar spec pit crews assigned by random drawing each week?

In Nascar racing circa 2016, the competition between manufacturers is real and intense. The competition between teams is real and intense. And the performance gap between the haves and the have nots has never been less. Nascar has many problems, some self-inflicted and others inherent in today's cultural and economic environment, but neutering the competition is not the way to address them.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Hey Skoal, why not Nascar-owned haulers (about 5 would be adequate) showing up with 40 spec chassis (supplied by lowest bidder, Weld Racing) fitted with 40 spec bodies (sponsored by Collision King) and 40 spec motors (presented by Jasper Engines)? Also Nascar spec pit crews assigned by random drawing each week?

In Nascar racing circa 2016, the competition between manufacturers is real and intense. The competition between teams is real and intense. And the performance gap between the haves and the have nots has never been less. Nascar has many problems, some self-inflicted and others inherent in today's cultural and economic environment, but neutering the competition is not the way to address them.
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I liked the days when there were different engine builders and chassis manufacturers so Nascar going full on IROC is not something that is appealing in anyway to me. With the main identifier of the current car being decals and so many bits and pieces being mandated I think discussion of a spec engine makes sense and is something Nascar may end up looking at. When SHR switches to Fords next year will they have to sell all their current inventory of cars and chassis and purchase Ford specific pieces or can they convert what they have in stock?
 
LewTheShoe said:
Hey Skoal, why not Nascar-owned haulers (about 5 would be adequate) showing up with 40 spec chassis (supplied by lowest bidder, Weld Racing) fitted with 40 spec bodies (sponsored by Collision King) and 40 spec motors (presented by Jasper Engines)? Also Nascar spec pit crews assigned by random drawing each week? ...
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And paint each one a different solid color, and we'll have Dave Marcis do the testing and set-ups, right? :p
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I liked the days when there were different engine builders and chassis manufacturers so Nascar going full on IROC is not something that is appealing in anyway to me. With the main identifier of the current car being decals and so many bits and pieces being mandated I think discussion of a spec engine makes sense and is something Nascar may end up looking at. When SHR switches to Fords next year will they have to sell all their current inventory of cars and chassis and purchase Ford specific pieces or can they convert what they have in stock?
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They will have no engine parts left over as everything is leased from HMS and that includes the engine tuner.
 
No "new" car company is going to throw money into a declining sport, or should I say, no smart car company.
 
"new car" company refers to new to the sport I assume. Did you know Toyota was once new to the sport? Don't seem to be doing to bad now. They are getting just as many re-calls as GM and Ford now. :)
 
LewTheShoe said:
Hey Skoal, why not Nascar-owned haulers (about 5 would be adequate) showing up with 40 spec chassis (supplied by lowest bidder, Weld Racing) fitted with 40 spec bodies (sponsored by Collision King) and 40 spec motors (presented by Jasper Engines)? Also Nascar spec pit crews assigned by random drawing each week?

In Nascar racing circa 2016, the competition between manufacturers is real and intense. The competition between teams is real and intense. And the performance gap between the haves and the have nots has never been less. Nascar has many problems, some self-inflicted and others inherent in today's cultural and economic environment, but neutering the competition is not the way to address them.
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NASCAR is VERY close to this scenario today as we speak. Gone are the days of a manufacturer finding an advantage. 4 engine builders supply 90 to 100% of the engines for all 40 teams. Their horsepower numbers are within the single digits of each other. The "Crate Late" class at my local dirt track has bigger margins than this with a spec motor. I would bet the IROC cars had more disparity as well. The product on the track is as close to a spec class as possible. And the stands are empty.
Disagree with all except the NASCAR inflicted performance gap. The competition has been neutered for many years.
 
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Team Penske said:
"new car" company refers to new to the sport I assume. Did you know Toyota was once new to the sport? Don't seem to be doing to bad now.
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Toyota came into the sport in 2004 though, NASCAR was doing a lot better then than it is now. Not sure if any manufacturer would want to take on the huge initial capital investment to come into the sport in its current state.
 
Heck the fans can't be bothered with the capital investment of going to the track or paying for an extra cable channel.

How many people on this forum paid extra to get FS1 or NBCSN
 
Team Penske said:
Heck the fans can't be bothered with the capital investment of going to the track or paying for an extra cable channel.

How many people on this forum paid extra to get FS1 or NBCSN
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I already had 'em, but I know a lot of people had to step up to the next tier on their cable/satellite.
 
I already got it as part of my cable package. I am never giving up my local fox sports channel since it has all my local sports teams sans the NFL. Sports on cable is nothing new to me.
 
So people on this forum stepped up and either paid more for those channels or had a big package that included them.

How many people who are new or are just getting interested in Nascar are going to pay extra?
I have to pay extra to get more than 5 races a year and as a pensioner I will be faced with the dilemma of watching racing or eating. Guess who wins. :p
 
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