Mark Martin still a champion

Sorry mngopherguy, but there is a difference between a class act and a "champion".
If anyone wishes to take the time to look up the word "champion" in the dictionary, they will find the FIRST definition of the word "champion" is "a valiant fighter". The third definition is the "winner of first place in a competition", IOW, Tony Stewart. The word "champion" when used as an adjective is defined, "winning or capable of winning first place".

What it all means is there are those who feel Mark is a "champion" by virtue of both FIRST definitions in Webster's Dictionary.

The difference between a class act and a champion is, a class act is a person who shows excellence in style, demeanor, concern of others and responsibility in thier every day life. IOW, someone like a Mark Martin. If those of us who choose to apply the accolade "champion" on Mark Martin it is because he fits the our individual criteria of his demeanor and the technical definitions of both a class act and a "champion".

Of course not everyone feels the same and we each have our own standards, but the posts seen on this and one other thread who support the use of the word "champion" when applied to Mark Martin, apply it in the sense Mark Martin is a "champion" and not "The Champion".
 
Bla bla bla...play all the word games you want. You sound like Bill Clinton. "That depends on what your definition of the word "is" is".

Calling him a champion, no matter how you wish to spin it, devalues the real champions.
 
Please note Paul, even without a dictionary, there is a difference between a "Champion" and a "champion".
For the record, Tony Stewart is "The Champion" and Mark Martin is "a champion". The devalue was built in via the capital letter designation.
Since I did not develop the meaning of the word "champion", these are not word games or semantics and no change has been made to the properly defined meaning. That had been established long ago by the leading authority in the world, Webster's.

In the event the meaning of the word "is" seems confusing, the definition follows: "the word used before a vowel". That seems simple enough. Not really sure why former Rhodes Scholar, Bill Clinton, had so much trouble understanding it. :)
 
Whizzer,

Using your reasoning, I could call anyone in NASCAR a champion.

We're not going to agree on this one, however your opinion is refreshing:)
 
Bingo mngopherguy...

This whole "Martin is still a champion" thing makes good post-season humanity stories for bored sports reporters and that's about it. It's drama and fluff, nothing more. :)
 
Paul, what do I win?:D

Just to be a smart azz, I think I'll call Todd Bodine champion all off season :p
 
Well, this is beat to death with two late entries of who Paul and mngorherguy consider a champion, Todd Bodine and Kerry Earnhardt, it has been a pleasure to discuss a topic where the ending is without rancor.

This type of decorum is sorely lacking on other websites where discussions get to the low point of slander, name-calling, personal attacks, and cheap shots.
So far, this particular forum is definitely a step up. Why hell, there is even intelligent discussion on the facts of NASCAR Winston Cup Racing. And other topics as well.

As the old saw goes, "It isn't whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game".

And that saying explains another step in why some people are considered "champions". :)
 
Wow Martins name has not gotten this much attention around here all year.I hope he doesn't cut his hair,and dye it blonde like that other guy Pete Frampton.:p
 
Hey man whats wrong with Frampton? Didn't everyone get his comes alive album in the mail with a box of tide:D
 
Originally posted by mngopherguy
Hey man whats wrong with Frampton?  Didn't everyone get his comes alive album in the mail with a box of tide:D
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Now that's funny mng.:p Smile Paul,You have earned it.:D
 
I would...but your strange references to months old threads the past few days are confusing me. I get aggravated when confused.
 
Well I sure don't mean to rattle you Paul.Just making conversation is the only thing meant by doing that.:rolleyes:
 
Here are the exact definitions of "champion", straight off of http://www.m-w.com.

As a noun...

Main Entry: 1cham·pi·on
Pronunciation: 'cham-pE-&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Medieval Latin campion-, campio, of West Germanic origin; akin to Old English cempa warrior
Date: 13th century
1 : WARRIOR, FIGHTER
2 : a militant advocate or defender <a champion of civil rights>
3 : one that does battle for another's rights or honor <God will raise me up a champion -- Sir Walter Scott>
4 : a winner of first prize or first place in competition; also : one who shows marked superiority <a champion at selling>

And as a transitive verb...

Main Entry: 2champion
Function: transitive verb
Date: 1605
1 archaic : CHALLENGE, DEFY
2 : to protect or fight for as a champion
3 : to act as militant supporter of : UPHOLD, ADVOCATE <always champions the cause of the underdog>
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Draw your own conclusions.
 
Originally posted by paul
Was there a bit of sarcasm in that post Whizzer? :p
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Sarcasm Paul ?? If you see it as sarcasm, the determination is yours, on the other hand if you view it as an attempt to make a logical explanation using adages and comparison, is that considered sarcasm? :(
 
Now I'm confused! Not that it takes much.


However Todd is a warrior ;)
 
Martin was IROC champion a few years back.

So, therefore, he is a champion. Right?
 
I see his ASA titles were mentioned earlier in this thread. I had not read the whole thing.

So, Martin is indeed a champion. Nobody ever made claim to him being a Winston Cup champion.
 
He might be a champion, but he wasn't the champion this year in Winston Cup.
 
I'm just adding onto what you are saying. I agree with your statement that he is a champion, just never a Cup champion.
 
Because as soon as he lost the championship, everyone started the pity party articles of "Martin is still a champion". And not one of the articles mentioned his ASA titles, or his IROC titles...the context was in NASCAR Winston Cup racing.

Guess what? He...is....not...a...champion.

Not sure how this is so monstrously confusing to some, but I can't say it anymore clearly.

I'm done with this silly topic.
 
Soooo....what you're saying, if I'm not misunderstanding you, is that Mark isn't a champion? :xxrotf:
 
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