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2 feet forward and we might be talking about something else rather than him getting out of the car. DAMM that was a vicious hit.
Another consquence of two cars racing to stay on the lead lap with no regard for the leaders. And of course wan pablum says it wasn't his fault.....
 
The one thing I have often feared and afraid will happen at some point is that a wreck like that will occur when cars are pitting. When cars are running nearly 200mph on the track there needs to be a barrier there to keep them away from the pits.
 
dirtguru said:
The one thing I have often feared and afraid will happen at some point is that a wreck like that will occur when cars are pitting. When cars are running nearly 200mph on the track there needs to be a barrier there to keep them away from the pits.
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The barrier was there, Mark's car just found it's way around it. Definitely would have been a better result if he'd caught the pit-in buckets than the garage opening.

What I've never understood, why not just have a gate there??
 
it seems some only want to see racing when it benefits them. i personally want to see cars try to race hard to stay on the lead lap. especially in the very early stages of races. what happened with Mark could have been very unfortunate, but was just a strange mishap. if he didn't hit the wall that way you dont make this thread today. quit blaming the racing, and blame NASCAR's safety.
 
dirtguru said:
The one thing I have often feared and afraid will happen at some point is that a wreck like that will occur when cars are pitting. When cars are running nearly 200mph on the track there needs to be a barrier there to keep them away from the pits.
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I couldn't agree more this is the worst spot, very dangerous.
 
Those exits areas leaving the track, or leaving pit wall to the garage area are the worst ones imo.

Micheal Waltrip and Harmon's disintegrating cars at Bristol along with yesterday demonstrate the cutting abilities. The worst wrecks with driver injuries at my local track occurred in similar spots. In one case an engine separated and bounced at least 300 feet down the track. It was near the pit entrance thankfully the engines path didn't travel down pit road.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
should be hand in hand if you ask me.
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Yeah they are , but so are the drivers . They too, have an obligation to bring their safety concerns forward. There is plenty of blame to go around . In the end , it was a freak accident that noone foresaw.
 
Johali said:
Dont blame anybody, the problem was not known until yesterday and now I'm sure it will be attended to.
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I think NASCAR's commitment to safety speaks for itself. I agree, it will be fixed and given the proper attention now that they're aware that it's possible for a car under race conditions to hit there.
 
mike honcho said:
Why does somebody or something HAVE TO BE BLAMED for everything that happens???????
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Mark scrubbed speed so it was a slow hit, and it still cut through the driver side framerail. If there hadn't been a speed scrub, the whole back of the car would have been liable to been cut off.

I say it's an oversight by the track designer. If the opening had been 3 bays down the wall, the accident wouldn't have happened. If the outside wall had been 50-75 feet longer, Mark would have hit water barrels instead.

End point, the opening was designed much too close to the opening of pit road

Compare Michigan and Texas.

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Matthew2470 said:
Racing can be dangerous and not all situations can be predicted.
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All risk will never be eliminated but the odds of serious injury, or worse, can be reduced. Just looking at the two aerial photos one can plainly see where Mark hit could pose a serious problem.
It seems that na$car waits for a incident then responds. Just my 2¢, YMMV
 
Looks like the knee-jerk reaction is in full force. As is the blame game.

- How was Montoya to blame? No contact was made, the car just got loose.
- Why is it every time there's a bad wreck, where "someone could get hurt" everyone jumps on trying to fix something that's a one ina million chance of happening? Hell, why don't we start wrapping the cars, drivers, and fans in bubble wrap and slow everything down to 20 MPH so no one might ever get hurt?
 
Matthew2470 said:
Racing can be dangerous and not all situations can be predicted.
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I agree 100%, so control the situations you can by implementing safety measures and the rest is part of the dangers of autosports.
 
SST55 said:
All risk will never be eliminated but the odds of serious injury, or worse, can be reduced. Just looking at the two aerial photos one can plainly see where Mark hit could pose a serious problem.
It seems that na$car waits for a incident then responds. Just my 2¢, YMMV
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I would have raised a red flag about 7 stalls earlier from where mark hit. Who leaves a blunt corner exposed that neglegently? Bruton did it right. First opening is a shallow curve, second opening is protected by a large patch of grass.
 
VaDirt said:
Looks like the knee-jerk reaction is in full force. As is the blame game.

- How was Montoya to blame? No contact was made, the car just got loose.
- Why is it every time there's a bad wreck, where "someone could get hurt" everyone jumps on trying to fix something that's a one ina million chance of happening? Hell, why don't we start wrapping the cars, drivers, and fans in bubble wrap and slow everything down to 20 MPH so no one might ever get hurt?
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LOL. Don't tell that to NHRA, they might actually do it.

The NHRA would be proud of the knee jerk festival going on here.
 
That was a pretty crazy accident yesterday. I was glad to see Mark walk away from that one. He's lucky hit didn't hit that pit road wall 12" sooner it would have went through his seat.
 
Dale1 said:
...12" sooner it would have went through his seat.
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Again ,many do not think that is true . The wall impacted a part of the car that is NOT protected by steel roll cage .If it had impacted where you say ,it would not have been able to enter the driver compartment nor go through his seat .If you take the time to look at the diagram of a racecar , you will see that the area behind the driver's seat has no protection .
 
ted@economy said:
Again ,many do not think that is true . The wall impacted a part of the car that is NOT protected by steel roll cage .If it had impacted where you say ,it would not have been able to enter the driver compartment nor go through his seat .If you take the time to look at the diagram of a racecar , you will see that the area behind the driver's seat has no protection .
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We can disagree Ted........I believe Mark would have been way hurt had it been a foot closer toward the front of the car
 
Clutch said:
We can disagree Ted........I believe Mark would have been way hurt had it been a foot closer toward the front of the car
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Playing woulda , coulda ,shoulda ; I will agree that he could have received a concussion or broken bones from the impact , I just don't agree that the concrete barrier would have sliced through that driver compartment which was designed for just such an impact . Time will tell.:)
 
We will never know how severly Mark would have been injured had his driver side door hit the end of the pit wall. I would guess that his injuries would have been serious. Maybe not severe but serious.

I'll bet that next time we see the cars at Michigan or Fontucky that the wall is protected with water/sand tubs!
 
ted@economy said:
Playing woulda , coulda ,shoulda ; I will agree that he could have received a concussion or broken bones from the impact , I just don't agree that the concrete barrier would have sliced through that driver compartment which was designed for just such an impact . Time will tell.:)
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Actually, time probably wouldn't tell either. That was a one in a billion hit, and I bet you'll never see another car hit there, whether the "fix" it or not.
 
robbybee said:
We will never know how severly Mark would have been injured had his driver side door hit the end of the pit wall. I would guess that his injuries would have been serious. Maybe not severe but serious.

I'll bet that next time we see the cars at Michigan or Fontucky that the wall is protected with water/sand tubs!
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So, where are the cars going to get to/from the garage when they do that?
 
ted@economy said:
Again ,many do not think that is true . The wall impacted a part of the car that is NOT protected by steel roll cage .If it had impacted where you say ,it would not have been able to enter the driver compartment nor go through his seat .If you take the time to look at the diagram of a racecar , you will see that the area behind the driver's seat has no protection .
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If it didn't it woulda made a hell of a U in the cage. I wonder if junior will toss that one in his stock car grave yard...lol
 
ted@economy said:
Playing woulda , coulda ,shoulda ; I will agree that he could have received a concussion or broken bones from the impact , I just don't agree that the concrete barrier would have sliced through that driver compartment which was designed for just such an impact . Time will tell.:)
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I agree. That driver side is built like a tank.
 
Dale1 said:
If it didn't it woulda made a hell of a U in the cage.
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Geez I hate to keep sayin this ,and I do respect your opinion Dale ...But I disagree there would have been a hell of a U in the cage . Very simply , that driver compartment is built to withstand that impact . The area behind the driver seat is paper thin and unprotected from side impact .
 
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