martin terrible in the 14 car

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just been watching the 14 car with mark in it. That car is really slow. I always thought mark was good at finding speed in the car. as it sits austin dillon did the best job driving the 14 car.
 
With a organization like SHR, Tony being out of the car, it wouldn't surprise if they are just messing around with Mark in the car. Then again, he wasn't that great in the 55 either this year,
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
I'm guessing Mark Martin isn't that good of a driver anymore. :(
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And Gordon fans get all pissy when they say the same about Gordon.

It has nothing to do with his skills. Last year he did good in the 55.

A few months is not going to make you a terrible driver.

Who knows what's going on in that 14 camp.
 
Mark Martin is the fastest old man out there. He hasn't lost any speed between now and when he was driving the 55 more, hell even back in the GINN days he was fast
 
hidesert cowboy said:
just been watching the 14 car with mark in it. That car is really slow. I always thought mark was good at finding speed in the car. as it sits austin dillon did the best job driving the 14 car.
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eww man, you are skating on thin ice with that one. He hasn't been concentrating since Danica insists on showing up to driver school in a bikini.
 
I am just saying its surprising mark is running so bad in the 14 car. I don't think mark has been bad in the 55 this year just decent.
 
I'm leaning towards the notion that the change from the COT to Gen 6 cars didnt suit his driving style as much as some others. He was great last year but I agree he hasn't been all that good this year in either the 55 or 14. Mark is still a great driver though.
 
Mark's the most competitive veteran who can step in and get results without wrecking the car, a preservation role. A rookie from Nationwide would try to prove himself which would probably be expensive with wrecked cars. If Stewart-Hass had a development program then it would make sense to put a rookie in the car.
 
newman has been running decent and austin dillon all things considered ran decent in the car at Michigan. I think the gen 6 car would suit marks style better as most drivers feel its closer to the old cars because it doesn't use all that side force and rear steer to go fast. when danica out qualifies you and you struggle to run in the top 20 back with the BK cars and FRR cars. I am left wondering what in the world is going on.
 
People have been saying all year that Danica should be running better in that Hendrick equipment . Funny that Mark isn't winning races in it .
 
Ryan Newman qualified 20th, and Danica Patrick is within 0.5mph of his lap speed. Unless both Martin and Newman took a random nosedive this weekend, it looks like a team problem.
 
mark is having trouble staying in the top 20 I just can't wrap my head around why he is so terrible in the 14 car. bring austin dillon back I say
 
hidesert cowboy said:
I am just saying its surprising mark is running so bad in the 14 car. I don't think mark has been bad in the 55 this year just decent.
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he was a bit worse in the 55..ave finish was 20.4, in the 14 he is at 18.8. Not a whole lot of difference really.
 
at least in the 55 car there were flashes of running well with mark in the car. There were times when the 55 car ran well with mark in it this year. in the 14 car he might as well be bobby labonte in the 47
 
yeah guess so..even though he is running better in the 14, driving tracks he usually doesn't race as a part timer in the 55, he is doing worse. o_O
 
Why is it so hard for folks to understand that the cars aren't that good . Tony , like Kurt Busch , can work with a great crew chief and make a so-so car a lot better . Other driver/ crew combos don't find the magic that easily . You only have to be off a tenth of a second to be 20th . This is a highly competetive field and substitute drivers aren't going to beat the chase drivers . That's the crap that comes out of the Danica haters , she's in a top car ..she should be doing better .Doesn't work that way , ask Mark.
 
ted@economy said:
Why is it so hard for folks to understand that the cars aren't that good . Tony , like Kurt Busch , can work with a great crew chief and make a so-so car a lot better . Other driver/ crew combos don't find the magic that easily . You only have to be off a tenth of a second to be 20th . This is a highly competetive field and substitute drivers aren't going to beat the chase drivers . That's the crap that comes out of the Danica haters , she's in a top car ..she should be doing better .Doesn't work that way , ask Mark.
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Agreed, and I'd like to say that I've not been impressed by Addington since he came to SHR. I feel like Tony has been carrying that whole team big time, and I think Addington has made a lot of bad calls in his tenure at SHR. He's a mediocre CC in my eyes.
 
I think the crew is used to how Tony communicates what the car is doing and they might not be used to Mark's feedback. I would expect they start showing up with the car set up more to Mark's liking. I don't think Mark will get Tony's results but I expect little better than what he is doing.
 
I'm sure when Tony hired Mark to drive the car he wasn't expecting him to run up front every week and take a few checkered flags. Moreso Mark was hired because of money, just because Tony can't drive didn't mean the car wasn't going to run. I saw Dave Despain's biography of Talladega Superspeedway recently & there was a clip in there where they were talking about the first race being boycotted by the big drivers, but the car owner of the number 98 plymouth superbird told his driver he wasn't going to force him to drive the car, but that the car was going to run whether he was in it or not. The cars are the real stars here, Tony's car carries major sponsorship, one of the biggest on the circuit. Tony is obligated, to have that car on the track every week, whether he's driving or not. So with that, who was better to pick at the time. Mark Martin may not run that well or win any races BUT he will keep the car off the wall & bring it home in one piece.
 
^ Yep.

And something tells me Mark is not pushing the car to its limits. He could probably be getting top 15 easy but is more likely just riding it easy and bringing it in one piece.

Lets not forget this is a favor he's doing.
 
Have to agree Marks having a hell of a time filling Tony's seat, maybe a couple phone books and a few pillows would help?
 
Tony always seemed to simply need car balance he could bank on, then he just drove it and it was hit or miss. maybe that team wasn't expected to make too many fine adjustments.
 
I hear all the comments about the car sucking, as much as I like addington's personality (he just seems like a cool cat) he doesn't seem to be getting the job done all that well. Mark should be able to run better in the 14 car, remember last year when dale jr sat out. Regan smith did decent in the 88 car. Mark Martin has been around a long time and has a reputation for being able to find speed in a car. He has a reputation for knowing what a fast car should feel like. it appears he has lost that ability. when he has having trouble beating the 47 and 51 cars and is basically racing gilliland and david ragan in FRR cars I just don't get it the 14 car aint that bad.
 
He never really did after Kyles first year. I was shocked when Tony went for him. The guy has spent the last 5 years making the car better 1 per race, if that. I still remember Kurt screaming that his car always goes to sheet at the end of the race. Addington adjusting speed out of the car.
 
Mark was put in the car so it would make it back to the hauler in one piece, he hasn't raced anyone in years.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
I hear all the comments about the car sucking, as much as I like addington's personality (he just seems like a cool cat) he doesn't seem to be getting the job done all that well. Mark should be able to run better in the 14 car, remember last year when dale jr sat out. Regan smith did decent in the 88 car. Mark Martin has been around a long time and has a reputation for being able to find speed in a car. He has a reputation for knowing what a fast car should feel like. it appears he has lost that ability. when he has having trouble beating the 47 and 51 cars and is basically racing gilliland and david ragan in FRR cars I just don't get it the 14 car aint that bad.
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yeah I remember, you don't apparently. Regan Smith ran two races for an average finish of 22.5 which is worse than Marks average finish in Tony's car 18.8.o_O
 
Mark is 54, I think his age caught up. Let's not forget he's a vet with many good seasons especially 2009. I grew up watching him and yes I think he isn't racing anymore.
 
once again 3 laps down in 19th has mark even had a top 15 in the 14 car?? the sponsors have got to be getting pretty upset paying all that money for a car that runs like its a front row motorsports car.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
once again 3 laps down in 19th has mark even had a top 15 in the 14 car?? the sponsors have got to be getting pretty upset paying all that money for a car that runs like its a front row motorsports car.
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Top ten at Richmond.

I think all the resources are going to the 39 car.
 
reck said:
I think all the resources are going to the 39 car.
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Lets not kid ourselves. SHR is a full blown HMS team with SHR on the front door. Even if the 39 team is getting the best stuff these days, I don't think the equipment they run can be used as an excuse for any of their teams to be running poorly.

They have what the 48, 88, 24, and 5 teams have, including all the R&D that comes with it. SHR teams can even get the setup's from any HMS team on any given weekend if they want it.

I'd be more likely to believe Tony paid MM extra to be a mid-packer to keep from making him look bad, than blaming the equipment at SHR for MM's poor showing.
 
Mark didn't just forget how to drive a car. And he's probably on his way out anyways. No point in sticking around forever. He's destined for the Hall of Fame.
 
gordonite said:
Lets not kid ourselves. SHR is a full blown HMS team with SHR on the front door. Even if the 39 team is getting the best stuff these days, I don't think the equipment they run can be used as an excuse for any of their teams to be running poorly.

They have what the 48, 88, 24, and 5 teams have, including all the R&D that comes with it. SHR teams can even get the setup's from any HMS team on any given weekend if they want it.

I'd be more likely to believe Tony paid MM extra to be a mid-packer to keep from making him look bad, than blaming the equipment at SHR for MM's poor showing.
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That's going a bit far.

They have a strong and close affilation but I doubt they can just walk in there and take stuff from those teams. It'd be odd quite honestly.
 
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