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Kenseth still pins blame on Gordon
By Dustin Long

No, the driver wasn't Jeff Gordon. Might not have even been a Jeff Gordon wanna-be, but to Matt Kenseth, the driver sure acted like it.

Kenseth said a student driver rear-ended his rental car Monday morning near Indianapolis Motor Speedway as Kenseth headed there for a test session. The incident came a day after Gordon bumped Kenseth out of the lead to win at Chicagoland Speedway.

Monday, Kenseth didn't back off comments made after the race that Gordon spun him in the final laps as payback for their incident at Bristol in March.

"I think that anybody, honestly, that's watched more than two or three races in their lives and watched the replay knows that he meant to spin me out," Kenseth said in a conference call with reporters. "My car was pushing so bad that you had to hit it pretty hard to spin it out.

"The weird thing is that he would have passed me the next lap anyway, he was catching me so fast. You can clearly see when I got in the corner we both got out of the gas, and he just picked up the gas a car length or so earlier and drove me over. I think it was intentional, but it doesn't really matter what I think."

NASCAR did not penalize Gordon.

Asked if he needed to settle with Kenseth before this weekend's race at New Hampshire, Gordon said after his victory: "I don't think so. He can say whatever about payback. I'm not going to question it. Whether it is or whether it isn't, it's not an issue anymore. What happened at Bristol, it happened just like what happened here. It's a non-issue. It's racing.

"I got the bad end of it at Bristol. He got the bad end of it (Sunday). There's nothing to talk about. I look forward to racing Matt Kenseth hard and clean. I hope the same goes for him."

At Bristol, Gordon moved Kenseth out of the way in the final laps in a battle for third. Kenseth rallied. His bump spun Gordon on the last lap. Gordon shoved Kenseth on pit road when Kenseth went to apologize. Sunday, Kenseth led when Gordon's bump sent Kenseth spinning three laps from the scheduled end. Kenseth ran out of fuel during that caution and wrecked battling rookie David Stremme for 21st position as they headed for the checkered flag. Kenseth finished 22nd.

Such incidents are not unique for Kenseth this season. His year began with trouble. Tony Stewart claimed Kenseth nearly wrecked him early in the Daytona 500. Stewart ran Kenseth off the track. Kenseth spun in the grass and back up the track as the field raced by.

Kurt Busch bumped Kenseth out of the lead with five laps left at Bristol, and the Gordon duel followed. A week later, Busch hit the wall at Martinsville after contact with Kenseth as they raced for eighth place with fewer than 40 laps left.

And then came Sunday's incident with Gordon.

"Some of it this year ... has obviously been my own fault and my own doing," Kenseth said of his on-track altercations. "Other things, maybe you feel like you're a victim, but usually you have something to do with it.

"I don't like to be involved in conflicts. I'd rather just keep to myself and go out and do my job and not have any of that, but if you're going to be competitive and you're going to try as hard as you can every week and try to run up front and do all that, it's pretty hard not to ever get in a conflict with anybody. It's just part of the business."

Kenseth is concerned that some of his incidents took place at high-speed tracks where there's a greater potential for injury.

"Just because the sport has had a pretty good safety record the last few years," he said, "I don't think we should take that for granted and try to put anybody in harm's way on purpose."

From KnowYourNascar

I am LMBO over the first two paragraphs!
 
Wouldnt you? It was intentional, thats all there is to it.
 
fun_in_my_z said:
Wouldnt you? It was intentional, thats all there is to it.


jeff is singing the same tune....matt spun jeff intentionally at bristol so what are you rambling about?
 
It will very interesting if Jeff makes the Chase and it comes down to Matt and Jeff in the last laps at Homestead!!!
 
ohh that would be very exciting mopard. ...they will most certainly wreck each other. lol

to bucky: but matt did too so...who can you blame?... both
 
Step in NASCAR

reck said:
jeff is singing the same tune....matt spun jeff intentionally at bristol so what are you rambling about?
Jeff was on probation. I remember NASCAR throwing Kevin Harvick out of a race and suspending him. That talk Mike Helton said - do the Hendrick cars apply to this. Take points from Jeff and throw his ass out for a few races. :mad:
 
Hmmmm...

I remember when Jeff Gordon was leading and Robby Gordon was in second at Loudon and as Jeff Gordon slowed for passing a lapped car which was on the high side Robby bumped Jeff. Next thing you know Robby is getting crucified as the devil by all Jeff Gordon fans for the next year.

Fast forward to 2006.
Matt Kenseth was leading and Jeff Gordon was in second at Chicago and as Matt Kenseth slowed for passing a lapped car which was on the high side Jeff bumped Matt.


Same exact situation. Where is everyone calling for Jeff's head like everyone was with Robby? Oh wait... its because its Jeff Gordon. :rolleyes: So because its Jeff, its accepted as "racing".

Pathetic.


With the race on the line, Jeff, like Kurt Busch, are one of the dirtiest drivers out there.
 
RobbyG Fan said:
Hmmmm...

With the race on the line, Jeff, like Kurt Busch, are one of the dirtiest drivers out there.

now now now, don't bring Kurt into this. He's Been acting a lot better lately.
 
dirty? oh please that's RACIN' what are you talking about? jeff has just gotten more agressive this pas few races..which is what he said earlier in the season.

and that's what you need to be agressive because if you aren't you'll get no respect and be treated like a wimp.
 
Trouble follows Kenseth, even at Brickyard test
By Michael Marot, The Associated Press
July 11, 2006
04:48 PM EDT (20:48 GMT)


INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- Forgive Matt Kenseth for thinking his rental car got tapped by another NASCAR driver.

No, it wasn't Jeff Gordon following him to the track. Nor was it Kenseth's other suspect, teammate Greg Biffle. This time, Kenseth was done in by a complete novice.

"On the way to the racetrack, I got ran into by a student driver. That was the start of my morning," Kenseth said, shaking his head after arriving at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for testing Monday. "They wanted to stop and fix it. I didn't care whether the bumper was laying on the ground or not, it was a rental."

For Kenseth, it's been that kind of week -- on and off the track.

He lost Sunday's race when Gordon spun him out with four laps left in regulation, then flew to Indianapolis and was again hit from behind before making it onto the track.

When he finally got in his stock car, the first one was slower than expected and when he switched cars he crashed again -- this time without help.

Between practice sessions, Kenseth was peppered with questions about his brewing rivalry with Gordon, a four-time Cup champion, and in the afternoon his top speed of 174.101 mph was 19th.

Tuesday's practice was rained out, and Wednesday, Gordon will have another chance to answer Kenseth's claim of foul play.

"The beginning of our test hasn't been very good," Kenseth said.

While little may have gone right in the last 72 hours, Kenseth's first 18 races have been almost flawless.

He is in very good position to secure one of the 10 qualifying spots for the season-ending shootout. Points leader Jimmie Johnson holds a 51-point advantage over second-place Kenseth, but Kenseth is more than 400 points ahead of Biffle, who is 11th.

It's little solace this week.

After arriving at Indy's historic 2 1/2-mile oval, Kenseth repeatedly rubbed his forehead and eyes during a news conference.

The latest episode with Gordon has drawn other drivers into the debate.

"That was a little bit of an abnormal situation," Mark Martin said. "I don't believe that Jeff intended for Matt to spin out, although I am pretty sure he knew he was going to hit him before he did."

On Tuesday, Jeff Burton said: "All of the Matt Kenseth fans right now, they really don't like Jeff Gordon, and vice versa. And by the way, I'm sure Matt Kenseth doesn't like Jeff Gordon right now, too."

Kenseth, the 2003 Cup champion, has endured more controversy than usual this season.

He's been involved in at least three major confrontations during the first half of the season -- at Daytona, Bristol and Chicago.

Kenseth places the blame partly on himself, partly on others and partly on old-fashioned racing. Sunday's crash, Kenseth said, was a result of him going too slow, getting in Gordon's way and being trapped behind a lapped car -- and Gordon's wise calculation that he could take the lead with a bump-and-run that wouldn't take him out of the race.

But that didn't make it any easier to accept either the result or Gordon's reaction.

"Yeah, he looked sorry when he was out there doing them doughnuts, looked real sorry," Kenseth said.

Gordon's car arrived in Indianapolis on Tuesday, but the No. 24 car hasn't yet made it onto the track. Gordon hopes to drive Wednesday, the final day of testing, and is scheduled to appear at a news conference where the rivalry is sure to come up.

Drivers are permitted to test two out of three days in Indy.

All Kenseth can hope for now is that things revert more to form this week at New Hampshire -- and that he can avoid another tussle with Gordon, Biffle or a student driver.

"You know, I don't like to be involved in conflicts. I don't like to be in controversy at all," he said. "But if you're going to be competitive and you're going to try as hard as you can every week, try to run up front, do all that, it's pretty hard not to ever get in a conflict with anybody. It's just part of the business."
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Jeff was on probation. I remember NASCAR throwing Kevin Harvick out of a race and suspending him. That talk Mike Helton said - do the Hendrick cars apply to this. Take points from Jeff and throw his ass out for a few races. :mad:


Harvick getting suspended was the biggest farce NASCAR has done. There have been several drivers done a lot worse than Kevin and have yet to miss a race. And its all teams.....Roush, Roush, and Roush have all been guilty.

:D
 
fergy1370 said:
Harvick getting suspended was the biggest farce NASCAR has done. There have been several drivers done a lot worse than Kevin and have yet to miss a race. And its all teams.....Roush, Roush, and Roush have all been guilty.

:D
I recall a certain Carl Edwards being penalized at Daytona for ducking below the yellow line to prevent a wreck and prevent from hitting Kyle Busch's miserable driving talent and then gave the position back. NASCAR still penalized him.

Or let's talk about how two penalties cost Mark Martin a championship in 2002, when Tony Stewart had conducted in much more reprehensible behavior and was let off the hook entirely.

Or we can go to an incident a few weeks ago at Nashville in Busch when Denny Hamlin wrecked out a Busch Series regular after almost causing two wrecks prior to that. Or the time when Kurt Busch wrecked Sterling Marlin to win at Bristol after wrecking someone else and Jimmy Spencer the week before, or the incident where Tony Stewar..... the list goes on and on.

Generally I would say that it's typical NASCAR inconsistency but this time I honestly believe it's because it's Jeff Gordon.
 
Flashback

RobbyG Fan said:
Hmmmm...

I remember when Jeff Gordon was leading and Robby Gordon was in second at Loudon and as Jeff Gordon slowed for passing a lapped car which was on the high side Robby bumped Jeff. Next thing you know Robby is getting crucified as the devil by all Jeff Gordon fans for the next year.

Fast forward to 2006.
Matt Kenseth was leading and Jeff Gordon was in second at Chicago and as Matt Kenseth slowed for passing a lapped car which was on the high side Jeff bumped Matt.


Same exact situation. Where is everyone calling for Jeff's head like everyone was with Robby? Oh wait... its because its Jeff Gordon. :rolleyes: So because its Jeff, its accepted as "racing".

Pathetic.


With the race on the line, Jeff, like Kurt Busch, are one of the dirtiest drivers out there.

I recall a certain Jeff Gordon intentionally try to wreck Robby under yellow and get penalized. I also recall a certain Kurt Busch getting off with that. If Jeff had been penalized, Gordon fans would curse Kenseth for ages. Jeff should have been penalized and that's that. We all knew Jeff wouldn't be penalized. It's like Kenseth said, Jeff wasn't gonna wait one or two weeks - he's not an idiot.

Wait, didn't Kenseth intentionally spin out Tony Stewart at Charlotte.

And didn't MAtt Kenseth wreck Kevin Harvick UNDER CAUTION, and KEVIN HARVICK sustain the penalty from it.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I recall a certain Jeff Gordon intentionally try to wreck Robby under yellow and get penalized. I also recall a certain Kurt Busch getting off with that. If Jeff had been penalized, Gordon fans would curse Kenseth for ages. Jeff should have been penalized and that's that. We all knew Jeff wouldn't be penalized. It's like Kenseth said, Jeff wasn't gonna wait one or two weeks - he's not an idiot.

Wait, didn't Kenseth intentionally spin out Tony Stewart at Charlotte.

And didn't MAtt Kenseth wreck Kevin Harvick UNDER CAUTION, and KEVIN HARVICK sustain the penalty from it.


Excuse me .... I'm a Jeff Gordon fan and I would not have cursed Kenseth for ages .... "IF" Jeff had been penalized. Get over it .... it will be someone different this week and the week after this and so on ......

These things happen all the time, you take the good with the bad.

It's what Racing is all about.
 
Andy, you are obviously not a jeff gordon fan, so by all means you wanted nascar to penalyze him for "bumping" matt but get over it, it didn't happened.

and how would you like your driver to get a penalty for what gordon did? i bet you would be mad. i honestly dont know how to get in you heads (matt kenseth fans) that that was just a racing incident or nascar would had indeed penalyze gordon otherwise. :)
 
reck said:
Andy, you are obviously not a jeff gordon fan, so by all means you wanted nascar to penalyze him for "bumping" matt but get over it, it didn't happened.

and how would you like your driver to get a penalty for what gordon did? i bet you would be mad. i honestly dont know how to get in you heads (matt kenseth fans) that that was just a racing incident or nascar would had indeed penalyze gordon otherwise. :)
The same could be said about J. Gordon fans. LMBO ;)
 
it is what it is...

Jeff hasn't denied once that he was racing hard/aggressive... and of course the guy gettin spun is going to be mad...

For me there IS a line between "racing so hard that a guy gets spun" and "punting a car off the track"

I think back to Tony last year "punting" some rookie (name slips my mind)... THAT was plain ole intentional

Jeff and Matt were just racing hard. That means someone wins, and someone gets their feeling hurt.
 
I do understand what Jeff Gordon fans say. I would like to see aq penalty against Jeff but it's never gonna happen - get over it.

Now let's all just get over it be a happy family and talk about Danica :) :D ... :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I do understand what Jeff Gordon fans say. I would like to see aq penalty against Jeff but it's never gonna happen - get over it.

Now let's all just get over it be a happy family and talk about Danica :) :D ... :mad: :mad: :mad:


Ah yes,....Danica.
 
Oh, look what's on the track now for Matt the Brat as he used to be known...
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ROTFLMBO!!!!!!! Dont'tcha just love a good controversy??????

Gotta love that Wammmmmbulance too!!!!!!! :) :) :) :)
 
^ not all apparently...start bashing dale or dale jr and you'll be sorry here.
 
Bucky Badger said:
well at least we know it's ok to bash drivers

I know you aren't referring to me. :)
We were reminded of Matt the Brat nom de plume by Benny when he was talking about Matt's short track days. And, if this were Jeff or Jimmie this thread would already be several pages longer talking about how all they do is whine.
Who here thinks Matt should just suck it up and move on? I mean it really wasn't that big of a deal and we've all seen nearly every other driver dump someone with 3 laps to go if they can advance their position. Much less win the freaking race. Afterall wasn't it Matt who hit poor ol' Stremme who was riding in the back minding his own business? Just to try and move from 21st to 20th. What's that - 3 points?
 
vanzetti said:
it is what it is...

Jeff hasn't denied once that he was racing hard/aggressive... and of course the guy gettin spun is going to be mad...

For me there IS a line between "racing so hard that a guy gets spun" and "punting a car off the track"

I think back to Tony last year "punting" some rookie (name slips my mind)... THAT was plain ole intentional

Jeff and Matt were just racing hard. That means someone wins, and someone gets their feeling hurt.
Ummm that would be Kasey Kahne i believe at Michigan if i'm not mistaken?
 
barelypure said:
I know you aren't referring to me. :)
We were reminded of Matt the Brat nom de plume by Benny when he was talking about Matt's short track days. And, if this were Jeff or Jimmie this thread would already be several pages longer talking about how all they do is whine.
Who here thinks Matt should just suck it up and move on? I mean it really wasn't that big of a deal and we've all seen nearly every other driver dump someone with 3 laps to go if they can advance their position. Much less win the freaking race. Afterall wasn't it Matt who hit poor ol' Stremme who was riding in the back minding his own business? Just to try and move from 21st to 20th. What's that - 3 points?

Hmmm first to 20th ...i'd say that was significant, oh yeh he ran out of gas, but who is to say that if gas was not an issue Matt would of finished in the top 5?
 
but who is to say that if gas was not an issue Matt would of finished in the top 5?

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts oh what a wonderful Xmas we would have.
He ran out of gas but I suppose there are some that will blame Jeff for that as well. We all know it was Jimmie's fault that Tony ran out of gas. If Jimmie hadn't ran so hard Tony could have taken it easy and saved enough gas to finish the race.
Ifs are fun. If everyone would have had the good graces to run out of gas maybe Petty could have gotten the win.
 
barelypure said:
if ifs and buts were candy and nuts oh what a wonderful Xmas we would have.
He ran out of gas but I suppose there are some that will blame Jeff for that as well. We all know it was Jimmie's fault that Tony ran out of gas. If Jimmie hadn't ran so hard Tony could have taken it easy and saved enough gas to finish the race.
Ifs are fun. If everyone would have had the good graces to run out of gas maybe Petty could have gotten the win.
I'm not blaming Jeffy for Matts' lack of fuel, i'm blaming him for the fact that Matt could have had a top 5 finish! :cool:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Jeff was on probation. I remember NASCAR throwing Kevin Harvick out of a race and suspending him. That talk Mike Helton said - do the Hendrick cars apply to this. Take points from Jeff and throw his ass out for a few races. :mad:


Memory needs refreshing. What race was that where NASCAR suspended Harvick ?????? :)
 
Whizzer said:
Memory needs refreshing. What race was that where NASCAR suspended Harvick ?????? :)

http://www.scenedaily.com/stories/2002/04/22/scene_story5.html

NASCAR takes a stance against unruly behavior by 'parking' Harvick
NASCAR's decision to "park" Kevin Harvick for the Virginia 500 at Martinsville Speedway didn't earn the 2001 Winston Cup Rookie of the Year much sympathy. Many felt the decision was warranted and even somewhat overdue.

Already on probation, Harvick spun Coy Gibbs on a restart after Gibbs had gotten into Harvick during the Craftsman Truck Series race April 13. NASCAR sat Harvick for the rest of that race, then extended the action through the Winston Cup race.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I'm not blaming Jeffy for Matts' lack of fuel, i'm blaming him for the fact that Matt could have had a top 5 finish! :cool:

If Matt runs out of gas how could he have had a top 5 finish? Tony ran out of gas and he didn't have a top 5 finish. I hope you aren't suggesting that Matt could have driven through the field in 2 laps from 21st to get a top 5. Cause that weren't going to happen.
 
barelypure said:
If Matt runs out of gas how could he have had a top 5 finish? Tony ran out of gas and he didn't have a top 5 finish. I hope you aren't suggesting that Matt could have driven through the field in 2 laps from 21st to get a top 5. Cause that weren't going to happen.

How do you know what the outcome could have been? Maybe he runs out of gas maybe he doesn't....maybe a caution comes out....he saves fuel wins under the yellow?! That is the point i'm trying to make , Matt was never given that chance because he was spun out....so we will never know :rolleyes:
 
lol mopard you are trying to hard. matt was gonna run out of gas anyways. doesn't matter how you put it caution or no caution..
 
Mopardh9 said:
How do you know what the outcome could have been? Maybe he runs out of gas maybe he doesn't....maybe a caution comes out....he saves fuel wins under the yellow?! That is the point i'm trying to make , Matt was never given that chance because he was spun out....so we will never know :rolleyes:
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Lord help me to just let this go.
OK, let's play your game. They are just into the 4th lap. Somewhere, sometime later someone does something that brings out a caution. It's Lap 3 or 2. They ride around for 2 laps, and that's being conservative, then you have a G/W/C. So you're trying to sell that Matt who ran out of gas before he completed Lap 4 would have magically had enough gas to ride for an additional 7+ laps. Dude, put down the pipe and call Betty. She may have room in her clinic...
 
lol yeah, this is getting old already let go it go people.
 
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