Mayfield Again

I don't see where he did anything wrong. We have a beware of dog sign up because of our dogs. Mail lady, ups, fedex all pull up in driveway and blow the horn, but they don't get out.
IMO if you get out of your vehicle at a house that has dogs and has a sign up, then you're taking the risk yourself and if you get bit then it's your own fault.
 
JustMe said:
I don't see where he did anything wrong. We have a beware of dog sign up because of our dogs. Mail lady, ups, fedex all pull up in driveway and blow the horn, but they don't get out.
IMO if you get out of your vehicle at a house that has dogs and has a sign up, then you're taking the risk yourself and if you get bit then it's your own fault.
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I can guarantee you that sign or no sign, if you dog bites, claws or anything to any mail person, you will be sued and believe me, your insurance will pay. Here's one of your problems, you will not have the same mailman/lady each and every day and they may not know about your situation. Beware of dog signs only gives the dog owner a sense of false protection. If you have a vicious dog, it is your responsibility to prevent it from harming anyone. How would you feel if a five year old little girl strolls by your home and is mauled by your dog?
 
buckaroo said:
I can guarantee you that sign or no sign, if you dog bites, claws or anything to any mail person, you will be sued and believe me, your insurance will pay. Here's one of your problems, you will not have the same mailman/lady each and every day and they may not know about your situation. Beware of dog signs only gives the dog owner a sense of false protection. If you have a vicious dog, it is your responsibility to prevent it from harming anyone. How would you feel if a five year old little girl strolls by your home and is mauled by your dog?
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Actually I have 3 mail persons who alternate ( has been the same 3 for about 6 years now). They don't even get out of their car at a house with no dogs. I know all of them, they know my dogs don't bite, but the criminals don't know that. My outside dogs are penned. It's the inside ones that will bite. When my inside ones go out, they are on leashes. As far as children, my outside dogs love them. A child, or anyone else for that matter, comes inside I put the dogs up first. I'm not exactly irresponsible.:)
I guess maybe I believe things wrong. But I think if I pull up at your house and you have signs warning of dogs and I still get out instead of blowing my horn and waiting for you to come out, then most of the blame is on me. Why should I sue?
 
JustMe said:
I don't see where he did anything wrong. We have a beware of dog sign up because of our dogs. Mail lady, ups, fedex all pull up in driveway and blow the horn, but they don't get out.
IMO if you get out of your vehicle at a house that has dogs and has a sign up, then you're taking the risk yourself and if you get bit then it's your own fault.
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At our old house, it was the same thing. We had doberman signs up, so they knew not to get out, we'd come to them. If we weren't there, they would leave a notice on the post box, or try again the next day.

Mail lady never left her car, she'd just hang it in a bag from the mailbox. The UPS and Fedex guys knew us and Bandit knew them, so they weren't a problem unless it was a different driver, one of the fed ex guys actually refused to open his door, and gave it to us through his window. But We had BAndit trained to look more fierce than he was.

Bowser, our pit bull-yellow lab-chow mix, is the other way around. He looks adorable, but will attack anything he sees fit to attack. He's tried to break through the front window screens a few times already, to get at small dogs walking by. But if he's on his lease or containment chain, then he knows he can't do anything (he learned the first time he tried going after another dog while on his containment chain, suddenly goes from full sprint to being choked by the choker collar....only had to learn once)
 
JustMe said:
I don't see where he did anything wrong. We have a beware of dog sign up because of our dogs. Mail lady, ups, fedex all pull up in driveway and blow the horn, but they don't get out.
IMO if you get out of your vehicle at a house that has dogs and has a sign up, then you're taking the risk yourself and if you get bit then it's your own fault.
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agree 100%. nothing wrong with what mayfield's dogs did. that's why he has them...duh.
 
JustMe said:
Actually I have 3 mail persons who alternate ( has been the same 3 for about 6 years now). They don't even get out of their car at a house with no dogs. I know all of them, they know my dogs don't bite, but the criminals don't know that. My outside dogs are penned. It's the inside ones that will bite. When my inside ones go out, they are on leashes. As far as children, my outside dogs love them. A child, or anyone else for that matter, comes inside I put the dogs up first. I'm not exactly irresponsible.:)
I guess maybe I believe things wrong. But I think if I pull up at your house and you have signs warning of dogs and I still get out instead of blowing my horn and waiting for you to come out, then most of the blame is on me. Why should I sue?
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I'm just stating the law. Beware of the dog sign doesn't relieve the dog owners of any liability.

Let me tell you, as a mailman for nigh on 28 years, I've been attacked, scared and even once chased a dog myself. Here's the problem, even though I know where every vicious dog is on my route, they aren't always where they are supposed to be. Not everyone is as careful with their dogs as you, but even then there can be times when the mailman shows up at a time that is not usual and that can mean trouble. Another bad time is when school is out and kids are home. Their dogs are of course friendly to them, but are protective. If the kids see the mailman coming up the walk and the dogs are usually in the house, many times the kids will open the door to get the mail and then you have a face to face with mailman and dog. You may have an understanding with the carriers that if they see the dogs out, they pull into the driveway and honk, but I can assure you that if your postmaster knew about that, it would cease. First off, unless you have a drivethru driveway, in other words, a driveway in which you don't need to back out of, the mailman is not supposed to drive into it. If you would then insist that you cannot guarantee that the dogs would be inside, you would then be instructed to put up a curb side box. This happens all the time.

Here's another example. We have one girl who is now so afraid of dogs that she will not get out of the vehicle while delivering mail period. What caused this was a couple of years ago, she was out delivering Express mail that the regular carriers were't carrying. She had one for a large business and she took it to the main gate of the property. A supervisor was with her at the time. However, she didn't know that all mail deliveries were taken to the rear of the property where the mail room is. As she got out to approach the guard at the gate, a German Shepherd attacked her and tore her face all to shreads. She was out of work for almost a year. Of course the company's insurance is taking care of all the bills, but it doesn't do a thing for her psyche.

The point is that while a Beware of Dog sign might help in some cases were there was an intruder, trespasser or lawbreaker, a letter carrier is an invited guest to the mailbox. Remember, you pay absolutely nothing to have mail carried to your home. Its the sender who pays the freight.
 
buckaroo said:
The point is that while a Beware of Dog sign might help in some cases were there was an intruder, trespasser or lawbreaker, a letter carrier is an invited guest to the mailbox.
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Ah, the Buckster knows of what he speaks. In insuranese you have trespassers and "invitee's". Trespassers are just that and believe it or not you owe a higher amount of "due deligence" to them than a invitee. A invitee is your mail "person", meter readers, anyone who is a regular or scheduled visitor.

If Beware of Dog signs were made of toilet paper they wouldn't be worth wiping yer a** with them. Legally they mean nothing other then you know your dog has viscious propensities which can come back and bite you in the a**
 
Mayfield does have a 'no trespassing' sign outside his home and a 'beware of dogs' sign.
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how about the no trespassing sign? to me that means stay the hell off my property. folks in nc may have a different opinion of the what the words mean.
 
SlowNeasy said:
how about the no trespassing sign? to me that means stay the hell off my property. folks in nc may have a different opinion of the what the words mean.
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A no trespassing sign does NOT include a mail/package delivery person and a utility meter reader. You cannot prohibit them from entering your property to perform their job.
 
Lap3Forever said:
If i get bit by a dog it will be the last thing it does.
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Exactly!

Years ago I was at a friends house and his father and uncle were the "sanitation engineers" and we were on the truck one day when a huge german shepherd came out after the uncle...it was coming to do some damage.

I'm not going to explain in detail what he did to that dog but it died in about 5 seconds.
 
buckaroo said:
You may have an understanding with the carriers that if they see the dogs out, they pull into the driveway and honk, but I can assure you that if your postmaster knew about that, it would cease. First off, unless you have a drivethru driveway, in other words, a driveway in which you don't need to back out of, the mailman is not supposed to drive into it. If you would then insist that you cannot guarantee that the dogs would be inside, you would then be instructed to put up a curb side box. This happens all the time.
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Actually I don't have an understanding with the mail people. It's a very small town and we know each other. I've even told them if I have a package come in that won't fit in the mailbox just leave the notice and I'll come pick it up the next day.
Also I do have what you call a drive thru driveway. Drive in one end of my yard and go across and out the other end, graveled all the way.
 
Lap3Forever said:
If i get bit by a dog it will be the last thing it does.
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#17D500winner said:
Exactly!

Years ago I was at a friends house and his father and uncle were the "sanitation engineers" and we were on the truck one day when a huge german shepherd came out after the uncle...it was coming to do some damage.

I'm not going to explain in detail what he did to that dog but it died in about 5 seconds.
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Thats disgusting, I don't care what the dog does:mad:. Kill the people who raised it that way:mad:
 
JustMe said:
Actually I don't have an understanding with the mail people. It's a very small town and we know each other. I've even told them if I have a package come in that won't fit in the mailbox just leave the notice and I'll come pick it up the next day.
Also I do have what you call a drive thru driveway. Drive in one end of my yard and go across and out the other end, graveled all the way.
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You sound like you are working well with the USPS and other persons who have to come onto your property. Leaving a notice in your box would be the proper thing to do, but as long as you have the drive thru drive and the carrier is willing to drive up and honk, you can thank the post office for great service. It's important to get to know your mailman/lady and the meter reader etc. The things they can do to you without your knowing is serious, AND can be done without being caught. But of course those things are illegal, but are very hard to prove. I won't get into that but just know these things happen to the worst of the worst of patrons. I have absolutely none on my route and if I do get one sooner or later, I work to change the attitude as quickly as possible.

Two dog attacks that I have had happen to me I will never forget The first had a Doberman jump out of a second story window and attack me. I stuck my mail bad out for him to bite and that it did. The canvas bag protected me hand long enough for the owner to call him off. The dog was responsible for protecting a drug stash. The next attack happen when that girl and her dog moved in with her boyfriend who had a Shepherd. Cesar was the Dobby and Levi was the Shepherd. I always had to look out for Levi because he would stalk and always try to sneak up from my back. I would often watch him circle around many homes always keeping an eye on me. As long as I could see him, he pretty much stated away. He never got closer than 20 or 30 yards and would always be moving, but one day that changed. I pulled my jeep up to the spot where I normally parked to carry that loop which included Cesar and Levi and before I got out of the jeep, Levi had attacked the left rear tire. Had a good hold on it too. I just put the car back in gear and took off. The little incident proved to be the last of those dogs in that neighborhood because as long as they were there, no on in the entire neighborhood got their mail. A little help from the neighbors did the trick. When the two idiots put in a change of address, the vicious dog cards went with them and the last I heard was that the couple were forced to get rid of their dogs. Had they not moved, I was ready to put some hurt on their mail, their utilities and a number of other things that could be done.
 
buckaroo said:
Had they not moved, I was ready to put some hurt on their mail, their utilities and a number of other things that could be done.
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Now I bet that would be fun to do to some people. I've told my mail lady and the postmaster that ya'll have a job I wouldn't want to do.
 
A little more on this story.....

CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- When a mail carrier tried to deliver a package too big for a homeowner's mailbox, she tried to drop it off at the home's front door.



But when she went to Jeremy Mayfield's house, police say she was attacked by five dogs.



The pit bull-lab mix dogs are currently in quarantine at the Catawba County Animal Shelter.



Firefighters said it was at former NACSAR driver Jeremy Mayfield's home where mail carrier Mary Bolton was attacked. Firefighters said she was hospitalized with bite marks and cuts all over her legs, arms and shoulders.



"She's a sweet woman. She helps me anytime I need help over here. It's insane. I mean it is nuts that it happened to her," said neighbor Thomas Graham.



Neighbors like Graham were stunned to hear news of the attack. Police have confirmed that Mayfield came outside to intervene, scooping up the badly injured carrier and taking her back inside the home.



The postal service declined to discuss what happened here but said more than 2000 carriers nationwide are attacked by dogs each year. The postal service says pet owners are responsible for restraining their dogs and that carriers can pursue legal if injured during an attack.



Mike Billips owns several dogs including his pit bull, Champ. He doesn't believe his dogs would hurt anyone but doesn't take any chances either.



"Like I tell everybody, take care of your animal and try to protect everybody else so your animals can't hurt them or harm done to your animal," Billips said.



The police chief in Catawba said the dogs are being quarantined for ten days because he is not sure they are up to date on rabies shots.



No decision has been made yet on what will happen to the dogs or if anyone will face charges.
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If people don't want strangers in their yards, I hope they don't complain when EMT's and firefighters refuse to be attacked by their dogs.
 
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