Michael Vick To Plead Guilty

Good Post CT

Those same dogs that are fighting each other are used to fight wild hogs.. I have seen photos of them with their guts hanging out from the tusks of the hogs... NOBODY is talking against using their fighting ability for these reasons.. Yet just one dog fighter comes to light and WOW! Suddenly people come out of the woodwork saying how terrible dog fighting is.
Some of us need to get a grip on who us humans are. We have spent millions to save snail darters and other unknown creatures.. Does it really matter? Animals have been going extinct for one reason or another for all time...
And since humans have had fire they have used animals for protection.. Elsewise why do we have wolves bred into dogs?
Betsy;)




The whole cruelty debate is a tough one & everyone has their own take. I personally love to hunt. Ducks are my favorite because I love to eat them. I cannot buy duck in the store, so I kill them myself. I do,however, try my best to kill them in the most ethical & fastest way possible. At the same time, if I were to stumble upon an injured duck in the marsh, my first instinct would not be to kill it, but to help it. Kinda weird, I guess. Now to the dog thing...I've personally had a pit jump a fence in an open garage & charge me. I ducked into some bushes around the corner & he flew by & ran down the block looking for me. Lucky fo me..I would have been bitten & someone's pet would have died for no reason as I already had the knife in hand. I also am friends with people who use pits as grab dogs when hunting hogs. They are used only as a tool to hold the hog until it's dispatched by a knife.Is this cruel to the hog??...probably, because it is being bitten(however,it dies by knife faster than if shot)...to the pit??...probably, simply because it won't live the pampered life of some other dogs. Then again, that is how society is in general....it depends where/to whom you were born sometimes. I just can't lump all hunting & animal cruelty into the same category.At this point, I may not be making any point, except that I think that Vick & the others that tortured the dogs & killed them unethically are cowards & should pay.I think they will in prison.....what inmate wouldn't want to sleep with a real life celebrity ??
 
NFL Suspends Michael Vick Indefinitely

NFL Suspends Michael Vick Indefinitely
NFL Suspends Michael Vick Indefinitely After He Admits To Dogfighting In Plea Agreement









RICHMOND, Va., Aug. 24, 2007
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(AP)







(AP) The NFL indefinitely suspended Michael Vick without pay Friday just hours after he acknowledged in court papers that he did, indeed, bankroll gambling on dogfighting and helped kill some dogs not worthy of the pit.

Vick, however, insisted he placed no bets of his own nor took any winnings.

In disciplining Vick, commissioner Roger Goodell said Vick's admitted conduct was "not only illegal but also cruel and reprehensible" and regardless whether he personally placed bets, "your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL player contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."

A "summary of facts" signed by Vick was filed along with his written plea agreement on a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge. He will appear before U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson to formally plead guilty Monday and then await sentencing at a later date.

The court documents and a statement by Vick's legal team seek to portray him as less involved in the dogfighting ring than three co-defendants who previously pleaded guilty and agreed to testify against the Atlanta Falcons quarterback.

"While Mr. Vick is not personally charged with or responsible for committing all of the acts alleged in the indictment, as with any conspiracy charge, he is taking full responsibility for his actions and the actions of the others involved," the defense team said in a written statement after the plea agreement was filed.

"Mr. Vick apologizes for his poor judgment in associating himself with those involved in dog fighting and realizes he should never have been involved in this conduct," the statement said.

Vick signed the plea agreement late Thursday.

"Most of the Bad Newz Kennels operation and gambling monies were provided by Vick," the summary of facts said, echoing language in plea agreements by the three co-defendants.

The statement said that when the kennel's dogs won, the gambling proceeds were generally shared by Vick's three co-defendants _ Tony Taylor, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips.

"Vick did not gamble by placing side bets on any of the fights. Vick did not receive any of the proceeds of the purses that were won by Bad Newz Kennels," the summary said.

According to the statement, Vick also was involved with the others in killing six to eight dogs that did not perform well in testing sessions last April. The dogs were executed by drowning or hanging.

"Vick agrees and stipulates that these dogs all died as a result of the collective efforts" of Vick, Phillips and Peace, the statement said.

In the plea agreement, the government committed to recommending a sentence on the low end of the federal sentencing guideline range of a year to 18 months. However, the conspiracy charge is punishable by up to five years in prison, and the judge is not bound by any recommendation or by the guidelines.

Hudson has a reputation for imposing stiff sentences, according to lawyers who have appeared in his court. The judge will set a sentencing date at Monday's hearing.

"Our position has been that we are going to try to help Judge Hudson understand all the facts and Michael's role," Vick's defense attorney, Billy Martin, said in telephone interview. "Michael's role was different than others associated with this incident."

Martin said Vick will "speak to the public and explain his actions." Though he declined to say when and where, the Tom Joyner Morning Show, a syndicated program based in Dallas, said it will have a live interview with Vick on Tuesday.

The U.S. attorney's office, which has declined to comment on the case, said it would issue a statement after the hearing.

The case began in April when authorities conducting a drug investigation of Vick's cousin raided a Surry County property owned by Vick and found ozens of dogs, some injured, and equipment commonly used in dogfighting.

A federal indictment issued in July charged Vick, Peace, Phillips and Taylor with an interstate dogfighting conspiracy. Vick initially denied any involvement, and all four men pleaded innocent.

Taylor was the first to change his plea to guilty, saying Vick financed the dogfighting ring's gambling and operations. Peace and Phillips soon followed, alleging that Vick joined them in killing dogs that did not measure up in test fights.

The sickening details outlined in the indictment and other court papers prompted a public backlash against Vick, who had been one of the NFL's most popular players.

As animal-rights groups mobilized against Vick and sponsors dropped him, Vick was barred from the Falcons training camp, but neither the NFL nor the team have taken further action.

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Associated Press Writers Matthew Barakat in McLean, Va., and Michael Felberbaum in Richmond contributed to this report.



Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 
"Indefinitely suspended" certainly doesn't mean he will never play again, but it might. I am hearing alleged experts say he will likely be suspended about 3 years or so. But then again, how would they know that? What information are they basing that on? This is pretty much an unprecedented case for the NFL.

Guys who have admitted gambling have been permanently kicked out of the league. However, Vick does not admit in his plea agreeement that he gambled on these events, only bankrolled them. Had he admitted gambling, he would likely never see the field again. You can't have gamblers losing faith in the integrity of the sport. They drive the league and the NFL certainly knows that. It is much the same reason why the NBA is so upset about their referee who was busted and admitted to gambling on games he officiated. Gambling drives the sport financially much more so than anyone in either league would like to admit.
 
My question is when does the suspension start? Now, or when he gets out of jail? If it's now, then it would/could coincide with the jail sentence and that would mean that he could be elligible for reinstatement as early as 2010. But if the suspension becomes official when he gets out of jail, then that's a different matter.

But now we are given the news of rapper DMX that a dozen "distressed" pit bulls have been taken from his home. He claims that this isn't anything that he did and that those animals are like family to him. Yeah, right. In 2002, he pleaded guilty to the cruel treatment of 13 pit bulls in New Jersey. He avoided jail time by agreeing to make a public service announcement against animal cruelty.

So, is this a custom of the black community or what? I will say that will be the main defense, even though there are probably more whites who are involved than blacks.
 
See there you go bustin on the Thug Life agin. It's not something your whitebread self is supposed to understand. They is only dogs. Put here for us strangle, kill, electrocute, cut off various parts and wear around our necks if we so choose. We's humans so that gives us the right to mommuck any animal we so desire...
Can't we all just get along.
 
Falcons going after Vick's signing bonus

Falcons going after Vick's signing bonus & I hope they get it!

Report: Falcons will try to recoup signing bonuses from Vick
ESPN.com news services

The Atlanta Falcons will attempt to reclaim $22 million in bonuses already paid to Michael Vick, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Saturday, citing an unnamed source with knowledge of the team's plans.

Vick was suspended indefinitely from the National Football League on Friday, hours after he filed a plea agreement with federal prosecutors in which he admitted to bankrolling a dogfighting operation. The suspension clears the way for the Falcons to pursue bonus payments already made to Vick.

However, Vick must remain on the Falcons' roster for the club to reclaim any money -- precluding the team from cutting ties with the quarterback until the matter is resolved, the person familiar with the situation told the newspaper.

If Atlanta receives the bonus money from Vick, it will be applied to the team's salary cap for the following season. If, for example, the team recouped all $22 milllion, that figure would be credited to the team for the 2008 salaray cap.

On Friday, Vick filed his plea agreement in federal court admitting to conspiracy in a dogfighting ring and agreeing that the enterprise included killing pit bulls and gambling. He denied making side bets on the fights, but admitted to bankrolling them. He will appear in U.S. District Court on Monday in Richmond, Va. to formally enter his plea.
 
On Friday, Vick filed his plea agreement in federal court ........................
He denied making side bets on the fights, but admitted to bankrolling them. [/I]


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I'm not usually cynical about this stuff, but if Michael Vick financed the dog fighting enterprise, used interstate commerce to engage in the illegal activity, and bankrolled the betting end, bt did not bet himself, well, hummmm, what's a person to think ??? ;)

Not trying to cast aspersions on Mr. Vick but it it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, yet according to Michael Vick, it must not be a duck. I think I've got it now !!!!!! :D
 
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I'm not usually cynical about this stuff, but if Michael Vick financed the dog fighting enterprise, used interstate commerce to engage in the illegal activity, and bankrolled the betting end, bt did not bet himself, well, hummmm, what's a person to think ??? ;)

Not trying to cast aspersions on Mr. Vick but it it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, yet according to Michael Vick, it must not be a duck. I think I've got it now !!!!!! :D

I think what you really mean is........If it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk then..................

hmmm, did not bet himself........guess he only smoked and did not inhale. :)
 

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