Michigan Race Thread

Originally posted by Whizzer+Jun 20 2004, 04:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whizzer @ Jun 20 2004, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--majestyx@Jun 20 2004, 08:59 PM
Yes, but it had NO effect on the leaders in the race, and it was on the last lap.  They would have already been slowed down by the time that they got back to the 50 car.
True enough but consideration must be given to the fact, once the rule is changed, it is final.

Suppose the wreck were between the lead cars or those in the lead group. Giving the remaining field behind the wreck the opportunity to race back to the checkers would be very dangerous.

That was one of the reasons freezing the field was rule was created, to avoid a situation of placing wrecked cars in danger.

The rule of freezing the field is a good rule. Leave it alone.

This is one rule that cannot or should not be arbitrary and would cause confusion. [/b][/quote]
I'm not disagreeing with anything that you stated here. I just hate that the race didn't end under green. Kasey was coming hard, and now we'll never know what "could have been". ;)
 
Originally posted by majestyx+Jun 20 2004, 04:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (majestyx @ Jun 20 2004, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Whizzer@Jun 20 2004, 04:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--majestyx
@Jun 20 2004, 08:59 PM
Yes, but it had NO effect on the leaders in the race, and it was on the last lap.  They would have already been slowed down by the time that they got back to the 50 car.

True enough but consideration must be given to the fact, once the rule is changed, it is final.

Suppose the wreck were between the lead cars or those in the lead group. Giving the remaining field behind the wreck the opportunity to race back to the checkers would be very dangerous.

That was one of the reasons freezing the field was rule was created, to avoid a situation of placing wrecked cars in danger.

The rule of freezing the field is a good rule. Leave it alone.

This is one rule that cannot or should not be arbitrary and would cause confusion.
I'm not disagreeing with anything that you stated here. I just hate that the race didn't end under green. Kasey was coming hard, and now we'll never know what "could have been". ;) [/b][/quote]
You have to be kidding, right. PJ KILLED the wall and was sitting in a vanerable position. If that was your signifcant other, you would have wanted the paramedics there asap!

Besides, I'm as big a Kasey fan anyone and I know Kasey wasn't going to catch Ryan.
 
Originally posted by racerx11@Jun 20 2004, 04:27 PM
You have to be kidding, right. PJ KILLED the wall and was sitting in a vanerable position. If that was your signifcant other, you would have wanted the paramedics there asap!

Besides, I'm as big a Kasey fan anyone and I know Kasey wasn't going to catch Ryan.
No, I WASN'T kidding.
 
Nobody wants a race to end under caution not even me. But Kasey wasn't gonna catch Newman anyway not in that last lap. So I feel for safty's sake Nascar did the right thing for once. :lol:
 
Kasey was comming up so fast i think it would have been cool to see him win.but alas we shall never know. unless someone has a program to see what would have happened. :)
And that damn target car....:( it was about time nascar went into his pit and told them to get out of dales way. what a maroon.
 
Well, the yellow at the end might have been a small anticlimax, I too would've like to seen Kasey get a chance to race him to the finish but I don't think he would've got him. But With PJ Jones car sitting low across the track and T LaBonte high on the track I think it was a good call.
 
I think some folks are missing one of the reasons for freezing the field is to get the safety crews on to the track quicker. They can't start the safety crew toward the accident until the cars slow down.

Let the race continue on the last lap and you may be slowing the safety crew reaching a seriously injured driver.

Freeze the field, but run all races under the same green/white/checkers rules as they do in the trucks. It works in the truck series. And it's the only way to GARAUNTEE a green flag finish to the races.

Make it g/g/w/c at the plate tracks. Or better yet bulldoze the plate tracks or run the road courses there, but that's a discussion for another thread.
 
Whizzer stated the main reason for the freezing of the field. And I cannot see a way to make an exception to that rule without destroying it's real intent..............or at the very least causing even more confusion and disputes. First lap or final lap if you have a rule that freezes the field, then the field is frozen..........period, no exceptions. Talk about making rules complicated......that would really set off a wave of problems for NASCAR to have to explain. And I question if this would even be a topic of discussion if DW and Larry Mac had not voiced their "expert" opinions about that particular aspect of the new rule....I don't think so. Races have ended under caution for almost 60 years and we never had all this "disgust" about not getting to see a green finish.........sure, we were disappointed, but never ready to impeach the sanctioning body. I'm beginning to think our friends in the broadcast booth are the root of most of this uproar among the fans.

While I'm speaking of our friends in the booth I'd like to predict a "new" controversy. It'll revolve around when the pit road would be opened. On at least 4 occasions I heard DW remark when the pits should be opened to the lead lap cars (now remember, his opinion is worth about as much as mine). He wants the pits open the first time around after taking the caution. That's the way it used to be.....but that was also before the freezing of the field rule. NASCAR told us up front last season that the pits would be closed the first trip around so that, if there were any scoring difficulties, they could be sorted out before they allowed anyone to pit. It all comes back to the not racing back to the flag rule. Sure, today's race was pretty much cut and dried on positions when the caution fell.......at least for the leaders and for most that were not involved in the problems making a caution necessary.........but my bet is that there was repositioning before the pits were open even with the cautions today. Probably way back in the field, but those guys deserve the same fair placement as the leaders........or do they? DW runs his mouth about two times what he should. And his side kick Larry feeds into it. The cautions I saw today were pretty much as NASCAR told us they would be with the racing back rule. We accepted it last season and applauded it........but now the problems associated with the rule change are showing up and we are ready to leave the sport or go egg Mike Helton's motor coach.

And I'm not for reverting back the last completed lap under green.........that often penalizes a car that is moving up through the field. But, if that is what must be done, then that's what I'll learn to live with. But, I don't think that'll settle much of this crap people are screaming about. That has a whole new set of problems for us to deal with. And we have a couple of high paid "experts" in a booth that are more than willing to offer what they feel is not right about it. Bet on it..........hell of a lot more odds in your favor than a lottery.
 
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