Most Hated Track?

Originally posted by dupont4me@Mar 28 2004, 11:12 AM
My two cents is...love the road courses,...if nothing else, it's a change of pace and don't really like the Phoenix track....usually a boring race!
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Exactly,a change of pace,I'd think that road courses would have even a bigger following than they already do!
I didn't count Pocono,but it is a superspeedway that drives like a road course so it's also a fave track of Mine anyway ;)
More short tracks would be fine also with Me,I think that most fans agree about loving the short track venues ;)
 
Originally posted by 24thunder@Mar 28 2004, 07:07 AM
They turn left and right,takes a more complete package to exceed at the road courses,very few places to pass on the road courses as well,I'd say it shows more skill than an oval anyday.
I know a lot of fans would like to see the 2 road course events be done away with,this would be a dang shame IMO
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Someone needs to snatch up Boris Said and Ron Fellows...............they'll eat em up on the ovals!! :D

That was "tongue in cheek".........but seriously, it's simply a completely different style of racing. It takes different skills. Not necessarily better skills to be successful. And what I'm reading here is not that many (and that "many" is a pretty small number :) ) are calling for NASCAR to drop the roads completely from the schedule.........just not add any more. At least that's my stance. :) BTW, the way that's my stance on the restrictor plate tracks too. :D
 
I agree with you 24thunder. There should be about 5 road courses on the schedule. They are awesome.

As far as skill goes, it takes the most driver skill to win at a short track and road course, in my opinion. About 90% is all driver, compared to 40% driver at a oval and about 20% driver at a plate race.
 
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@Mar 25 2004, 11:23 PM
california pocono (cause its way too long) anyone who disses on the road track is a jerkface those are so fun cause its like real skill driving i love watkins!
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If the road courses require so much skill, shouldn't the ovals be a cake walk for the highley skilled road course experts? Passing under the caution and ignoring a gentleman's agreement requires no skill at all.
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I've never seen a driver go off course and end up in the kitty litter at any oval :eek: :lol:
The cars are much harder to set-up also when They turn left and right,takes a more complete package to exceed at the road courses,very few places to pass on the road courses as well,I'd say it shows more skill than an oval anyday.
I know a lot of fans would like to see the 2 road course events be done away with,this would be a dang shame IMO,but wouldn't surprise Me with Brian France at the helm if this were to happen.We need another road course event,in just over 10 years time NASCAR has went from around a 30 race season to the current 36 point races season,yet the road course events remain at just 2 races or a 5.5% rate among different track types,meanwhile the(mostly) hated cookie-cutter track types account for over 70.0(+)% of track types in a season,this is the real shame :p [/b][/quote]
In that case I have the answer: Take the top five most popular drivers and only hold races at tracks where they do well. As for New Hampshire - they should do away with it...there's way too many races that far north and those people don't really deserve to have a race anyway, right?
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2+Mar 28 2004, 12:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DE_Wrangler_2 @ Mar 28 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--24thunder@Mar 28 2004, 07:07 AM
They turn left and right,takes a more complete package to exceed at the road courses,very few places to pass on the road courses as well,I'd say it shows more skill than an oval anyday.
I know a lot of fans would like to see the 2 road course events be done away with,this would be&nbsp; a dang shame IMO
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Someone needs to snatch up Boris Said and Ron Fellows...............they'll eat em up on the ovals!! :D

That was "tongue in cheek".........but seriously, it's simply a completely different style of racing. It takes different skills. Not necessarily better skills to be successful. And what I'm reading here is not that many (and that "many" is a pretty small number :) ) are calling for NASCAR to drop the roads completely from the schedule.........just not add any more. At least that's my stance. :) BTW, the way that's my stance on the restrictor plate tracks too. :D [/b][/quote]
DE,there's an article out right now,it's been around on several message boards and in news articles about the real possibility of Watkins Glen losing its date,along with several other tracks so that Las Vegas,Texas and another track(don;t recall now)can get another race date apiece.If that indeed happens,I really doubt that NASCAR would soldier on very long before dropping Infineon Raceway(Sears Point),there aren't any road courses even in the race for the Championship this year anyway,so NASCAR has reduced the importance of mastering road courses for the top 10 drivers going for the Cup,this isn't right IMHO,but it will give a bigger edge to Ur Kevin Harvicks,Kurt Buschs and,of course,Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s in winning the Cup,NASCAR has an angle for all of this IMHO ;)
There should be a road course represented in those final 10 races,also another short track event as just 1 of those events is too few,it's the short tracks and road courses that can really jumble up a points chase and therefore IMHO should be fairly represented in any Title chase ;)
RobbyG Fan,thanks for kind comments.We may not agree on fave drivers,but by-gum We do agree on the best track types ;) :lol:
 
Im with you 24thunder... I just read that article on Jayski right now.

I cant believe they would even consider taking away Watkins Glen. The way Nascar is going about this, next year there will be 3 short track races, 1 road course race, 4 restrictor plate races, about 20 races at cookie cutter tracks, and 8 races at tracks that dont fit the above categories.

Looking at the numbers, you have to wonder, whoever wins the championship, can we actually call him the best driver in Nascar in that year? Or should we say the team who spent the most money in car development and wind tunnel testing is the best Nascar had to offer that year? As if there wasnt already enough out of the drivers hands already, they are just making it worse with these cookie cutter tracks.

Ten years from now we might see a radio controlled robot win the championship just because the robot had the best car out there. :lol:
 
NASCAR is an oval track series. The road courses have been on the circuit for a number of years, I know. But there has never been more than two road courses run for points in the series. They are a novelty...........a break from the ordinary. Many people like them..........heck I enjoy them but only for what they are (a break from the go fast, turn left of an oval track). Yes it is a challenge for most drivers to adapt to right turns and I'm not saying roads should be dropped from the schedule......it's something a NASCAR driver must, at least, learn to survive on in order to succeed. But they are not the mainstay of the racing in NASCAR............never were. Start adding more and then they would be more of the mainstay...........is that what we want? Let's be like F1...........do all roads. This is NASCAR...........we run on 23 different tracks (two, of which are road courses) each season. Hey, I have an idea.........lets have a couple off road courses too. That would really help determine who the best NASCAR driver is. :)

Road courses are just not what NASCAR is about.
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Mar 30 2004, 12:45 AM
Hey, I have an idea.........lets have a couple off road courses too. That would really help determine who the best NASCAR driver is. :)

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Great idea! :D


I just like equality among all types of tracks, because it shows which driver can succeed at the most varied types of tracks, and those drivers would unquestionably be the best of the series.

If Nascar turns into a series where 80% of the races are at cookie cutter tracks, I would definitely question if the driver who won the championship really is the best driver. Sure they can master one type of track, but just because they mastered that one and dont know squat about the others doesnt make them the best (championship caliber) driver that the points standings would reflect on.

Ideally I would like an equal amount of all types of tracks on the schedule, but then again Im not running Nascar, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. :)
 
RobbyG Fan,it's gonna be a pretty sad schedule in 2005 the way it's looking,don't forget all the great 1.0-1.4 mile tracks that are losing at least one date,if not both dates,it's called growth,but at what cost,losing some of the best racing that made this Series so special for so long,I thought the point of having so many varied track types was to showcase some of the top drivers in the world and the skills/abilities that They bring to the sport,but the way it's going the Champion will only have to be good at the plate races and the cookie-cutters to have the trophy in hand,the other tracks wont count for much in the chase for the Title IMHO. ;)
 
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Hey, I have an idea.........lets have a couple off road courses too.&nbsp; That would really help determine who the best NASCAR driver is. :)

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Great idea! :D


I just like equality among all types of tracks, because it shows which driver can succeed at the most varied types of tracks, and those drivers would unquestionably be the best of the series.

If Nascar turns into a series where 80% of the races are at cookie cutter tracks, I would definitely question if the driver who won the championship really is the best driver. Sure they can master one type of track, but just because they mastered that one and dont know squat about the others doesnt make them the best (championship caliber) driver that the points standings would reflect on.

Ideally I would like an equal amount of all types of tracks on the schedule, but then again Im not running Nascar, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. :) [/b][/quote]
U ought to be the CEO RobbyG Fan.I'll nominate U :lol: Then We'd have a great freaking schedule each year ;)

DE,I undesratnd what Ur saying about the novelty of road courses,but if Watkins Glen is dropped,leaving only Sonoma on the schedule than that event wont mean much at all as a driver that doesn't usually perform well on road courses can just write the event off as He wouldn't have lousy finishes in 2 races of that type,this is ignoring the possibility of a road course specialist filling in of course.
IMO the more numerous the varied track types than the better test of a driver's overall capabilities. ;)
 
Who ever said that NASCAR drivers are the best drivers in the world? It could be argued that NASCAR drivers are the best drivers of stock cars on oval tracks in the world...........but the best in the world? That's a stretch.........way too many styles to master to even qualify for that title. You want road courses...........compare road courses. You want rally, compare rally. You want drag, compare drag. You want street, compare street. It's apples and oranges. You want road course racing, you are watching the wrong series.
 
And I'll repeat one more time...............I do not advocate NASCAR dropping the two road courses. But if one has to go, I would prefer it be Sonoma (that is a personal opinion on the track......not the road course that it happens to be). But, I keep harping on what NASCAR is all about. It's ovals...........not road courses. The drop a road course, I'm not going to scream too loudly........in fact I won't scream at all. But if Sonoma is the only one after this season (or next) then my opinion is that NASCAR dropped the wrong course.
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Mar 30 2004, 02:07 AM
Who ever said that NASCAR drivers are the best drivers in the world? It could be argued that NASCAR drivers are the best drivers of stock cars on oval tracks in the world...........but the best in the world? That's a stretch.........way too many styles to master to even qualify for that title. You want road courses...........compare road courses. You want rally, compare rally. You want drag, compare drag. You want street, compare street. It's apples and oranges. You want road course racing, you are watching the wrong series.
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I do agree about watching the wrong series if U want road courses or for about any other track type,unless it's cookie-cutter track types then Ur all set ;) There shouldn't be that many of 1 type of track,no matter what track it is IMHO.
I know if either road course is dropped that the other one will soon follow.Recall that dirt track racing ended in 1970 in a similar manner,I suppose?Wasn't a fan back then,any old timers here remember? ;)
 
If my favorite driver is a dirt tracker and he joins nascar, does it make sense for me to want nascar races held on dirt - of course not. If I'm a road course driver why would I join a series that only races 2 road courses?

What's next - remove fenders and race open wheels? If there's a race held and no one shows up - maybe it's time to look seriously at that but if there's at least a couple of tracks that some fans like, why not allow them to enjoy nascar racing as well?

One more thing, there are drivers out there who have won at every type of track used. In my opinion it's because they KNEW when they joined nascar that they would have to race those tracks and adjusted - perhaps those guys are the true best drivers in Nascar.
 
I'd have to go for Pocono. My god, whats that monstrosity of a track doing in the Nextel Cup Series?
 
Providing a challenge.

I have to agree with the guys who would rather have MORE road courses. I am a big Mark Martin fan and those guys that can win at the road courses just amaze me. A couple of more at least, would be a good thing. My opinion is it is pretty apparent they take more skill to drive than the ovals.


Dont misunderstand, I like the ovals-----but not 15 of the exact same track with different names!

And lose those damned no skill-required plate races.
 
I'd have to say Las Vegas. Good off-track activities but no formidable racing whatsoever.

I think Rockingham and Darlington would sell out if they get better promotion and advertisement. Usually after the end of Daytona, the season's powder keg so to speak is kind of gone, the momentum from all the pre-season hype goes to junk.

Rockingham and Darlington provide great racing no doubt.
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Mar 31 2004, 12:55 AM
Providing a challenge.

I have to agree with the guys who would rather have MORE road courses. I am a big Mark Martin fan and those guys that can win at the road courses just amaze me. A couple of more at least, would be a good thing. My opinion is it is pretty apparent they take more skill to drive than the ovals.


Dont misunderstand, I like the ovals-----but not 15 of the exact same track with different names!

And lose those damned no skill-required plate races.
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Well said 97,as usual. ;)
 
My question to Happy29 is: How could you NOT like Bristol?
 
I can't answer for Happy29 but I can for me. :) I'd much rather watch a race at Richmond than Bristol.........actually the only thing Bristol has going for it is that's so popular. Everyone "loves" Bristol........you just ain't a NASCAR fan if you don't. Last weekend's race was really not a great race.............but it was Bristol. And any race at Bristol just has be great........uhhhhhh, well something like that anyway. :) I guess my point is that each of us have tracks and races we love, ones we like, ones we don't care for........why call someone down for not liking something you do? I could ask the same of you.............How could you not love Talladega?
 
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