Much is expected from NASCAR's much-ballyhooed car, but it's not a cure-all.

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Nate Ryan.

What will it take to drive the new savior of the Sprint Cup Series straight into your hearts, NASCAR fans?
A cool nickname? Meet the Gen 6 stock car, a catchy moniker so subversively sophisticated, it makes Apple employees jealous. A raft of glowing testimonials? The reviews for the revamped 2013 model have been so universally positive they're enough to place it in the running for car of the year.

A full-court promotional press? The wave of propaganda churned out by the industry's vast marketing machine has been virtually omnipresent for two months, blanketing the offseason with glitzy news conferences, splashy infographics and striking photo ops. The annual preseason gleefest of sweetness and light conjured images of a chorus of smooth car salesmen touting the Gen 6 as an off-the-lot panacea for all that ails NASCAR.
Carpower, in other words.

"I really believe we're going to see some of the most competitive, intense and exciting racing that we've seen in quite some time," said vice president of competition Robin Pemberton.

"Unbelievable excitement and anticipation," said Chairman Brian France, adding the car will be graded based on the action it produces (i.e., lead changes, passing, side-by-side racing).

But here is the drawback with hanging the entire season on a new car whose sexier and sleeker look admittedly is striking. How well the car drives ultimately might not be the primary determinant of whether the racing improves.

Among the dirty little secrets of auto racing: It can be inherently boring to a casual observer.
The new car has been compared with the advent of the 3-point shot in basketball and the designated hitter in baseball, but creating offense in NASCAR isn't as simple as adding water. At the 1.5-mile superspeedways prevalent on the Cup schedule, sometimes no amount of passing can mask the monotony of long periods under green. There simply aren't enough remaining short tracks – three that host six of 36 races – to create the weekly fender-banging that made NASCAR a contact sport.

External factors also are critical. Consider last year's gripping Formula One finale. Sebastian Vettel won the championship after spinning on the first lap of a race in which intermittent rain showers upended strategies and left the outcome in doubt.

Four-time champion Jeff Gordon was as enraptured as anyone but also was struck by the perception.
"Everyone was raving about what amazing racing it was," Gordon said. "But it wasn't the racing. That was just drama that was created as well as a lot on the line for the championship. That's what everybody wants. We have tracks with plenty of side-by-side racing, but if they get long green-flag runs, then people kind of forget about it. So to me, what we're needing is the buzz in this car, which we have. We need to have more good races. And we need to add a little drama – and we had spurts of it last year."

Much of the drama is sparked when the field is bunched up by caution flags, which also are an indicator of aggressive and entertaining racing in which drivers test the limits. There was a dearth of yellows early last season, which included a bizarre four-month stretch of nearly 2,500 miles without a multicar wreck on the 1.5- to 2-mile ovals. Drivers seemed almost hesitant to push the envelope and risk their title chances.

It made for mostly a lackluster final season for the Gen 6's much-maligned predecessor, which also was billed as a means for enhancing competition while vastly improving safety features. "The Car of Tomorrow" probably saved many lives, but it didn't save stock-car racing from its woes. In fact, as France conceded recently on the media tour, the 2007-12 edition harmed NASCAR's brand.

It was a homogenized, pig-ugly car that fans despised for its aesthetics, and drivers hated just as much for its lack of stability in traffic. Yet it also produced some indelible moments. Consider last November at Phoenix International Raceway. Few remember the first 235 laps that featured nary a multicar crash. Everyone, though, remembers the next 84 laps that featured wild swings in the championship, a garage brawl and incensed allegations of mystery oil slicks. Caution flags and multicar pileups featured prominently in all of it.

It's virtually impossible to legislate drama in racing without resorting to tricked-up, ham-handed concepts. Though track owner and showman Bruton Smith has floated the idea of mandatory caution flags, even that seems beyond the pale for the stock-car circus. Besides NASCAR already has taken many steps, such as double-file restarts, that should be applauded.

"If there are more things they can do like that, then awesome," Gordon said. "But NASCAR implements a mandatory caution, we can't create those on our own. It has to happen naturally."

The 2013 car might give NASCAR a better chance at enjoying more races such as Phoenix. Drivers have hailed its increased downforce as providing the handling that might encourage more daring moves.
Ultimately, though, an uptick in excitement won't result from just putting the cars on the track.
It'll depend on those who drive them.
Starpower, in other words.
 
I keep getting the eerie impression that Nascar is helping the fans to arrive at this conclusion. That is that racing will be better with this new car . We all know that the car doesn't make the racing, the rules and the drivers do. We also know that this is the exact same car as last year with a new body hung on it . So why is Nascar promoting the idea that this car will make for better racing? I don't get it.
 
I keep getting the eerie impression that Nascar is helping the fans to arrive at this conclusion. That is that racing will be better with this new car . We all know that the car doesn't make the racing, the rules and the drivers do. We also know that this is the exact same car as last year with a new body hung on it . So why is Nascar promoting the idea that this car will make for better racing? I don't get it.

It won't. The racing's not going to improve at all because the drivers don't want to race. No matter how you slice it, they don't. Anytime I've seen a race, in recent years, where I've been entertained, the drivers are complaining about the track or the rules or NASCAR or the fans. The drivers want to ride around for 400 laps on cruise control with their windows down.
 
It won't. The racing's not going to improve at all because the drivers don't want to race. No matter how you slice it, they don't. Anytime I've seen a race, in recent years, where I've been entertained, the drivers are complaining about the track or the rules or NASCAR or the fans. The drivers want to ride around for 400 laps on cruise control with their windows down.

On February 1st , we have seen the silliest post of the year. Now we have nothing left to look forward to.:(Bummer.
 
IMO, the lack of better racing is due to the points system and until every single position means something to the drivers, I don't see any dramatic change taking place - new car or not.
 
It won't. The racing's not going to improve at all because the drivers don't want to race. No matter how you slice it, they don't. Anytime I've seen a race, in recent years, where I've been entertained, the drivers are complaining about the track or the rules or NASCAR or the fans. The drivers want to ride around for 400 laps on cruise control with their windows down.

Dude...just...ughhhhh....
 
IMO, the lack of better racing is due to the points system and until every single position means something to the drivers, I don't see any dramatic change taking place - new car or not.
Huh ? The higher they finish , the more points they get. How is that holding them back? I see them racing every lap , some to make the top 35 , some to make the top 20 , some to make the chase , some to make the head table , some to make the top five , some to win it all , some just to keep their jobs . Believe me ,the guy in 34th is racing the guy in 33rd , even if you can't see it on tv. I honestly have seen no change in the racers desire to win in the last thirty years. I see richer,younger and prettier racers , but man , they are hungry as ever.
 
Nate Ryan.

Among the dirty little secrets of auto racing: It can be inherently boring to a casual observer.
The new car has been compared with the advent of the 3-point shot in basketball and the designated hitter in baseball, but creating offense in NASCAR isn't as simple as adding water. At the 1.5-mile superspeedways prevalent on the Cup schedule, sometimes no amount of passing can mask the monotony of long periods under green. There simply aren't enough remaining short tracks – three that host six of 36 races – to create the weekly fender-banging that made NASCAR a contact sport.

Right here. This is what I hear people bitch about more than Brian France himself.
 
And on top of it all, DP is telling us Martinsville in going to disappear. What nonsense. Shame on you DP.

:angry:
 
If the new car is Gen 6 - what cars does Gen 1-5 represent. It's probably the 6th drawing from the CoT.
 
It won't. The racing's not going to improve at all because the drivers don't want to race. No matter how you slice it, they don't. Anytime I've seen a race, in recent years, where I've been entertained, the drivers are complaining about the track or the rules or NASCAR or the fans. The drivers want to ride around for 400 laps on cruise control with their windows down.
Thats the andy we all know and - err sorta like. :p
 
It won't. The racing's not going to improve at all because the drivers don't want to race. No matter how you slice it, they don't. Anytime I've seen a race, in recent years, where I've been entertained, the drivers are complaining about the track or the rules or NASCAR or the fans. The drivers want to ride around for 400 laps on cruise control with their windows down.

Do you know any drivers? I can't think of a single driver in any series that doesn't have a competitive side, the desire to win. Not a single one.

In other news.....short tracks and dirt built Nascar, the lack of them will tear Nascar down.
 
Do you know any drivers? I can't think of a single driver in any series that doesn't have a competitive side, the desire to win. Not a single one.

In other news.....short tracks and dirt built Nascar, the lack of them will tear Nascar down.


BURP
 
Do you know any drivers? I can't think of a single driver in any series that doesn't have a competitive side, the desire to win. Not a single one.

In other news.....short tracks and dirt built Nascar, the lack of them will tear Nascar down.

Having a competitive edge doesn't mean they don't like tracks where they have to get up on the wheel. Look at how the other drivers criticized Brad Keselowski for racing hard at Texas.
 
Having a competitive edge doesn't mean they don't like tracks where they have to get up on the wheel. Look at how the other drivers criticized Brad Keselowski for racing hard at Texas.

I'm not much of a Keselowski fan but I never understood that.:confused: I didn't see where he raced dirty or stupid, just ran hard - which I hope is what he gets paid to do.
 
Having a competitive edge doesn't mean they don't like tracks where they have to get up on the wheel. Look at how the other drivers criticized Brad Keselowski for racing hard at Texas.

So..are you accusing Brad of being the one and only driver out there who is trying to win ? Alright.:D
 
So..are you accusing Brad of being the one and only driver out there who is trying to win ? Alright.:D

I'm saying there are too many drivers who are content with finishing fifth and don't want to risk wrecking the car for a better finish because they're points racing.
 
Right on .Go Brad . :D What about Tony Stewart ,he'd be one of the ridin around guys ,right?

He would've had to be near the front to be racing for the win to start with. Steve Addington is over-rated.

Keselowski, Stewart, Johnson, Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch are the only drivers that go all out for the win. That's the reason three of those five have won the last eight championships between them.
 
He would've had to be near the front to be racing for the win to start with. Steve Addington is over-rated.

Keselowski, Stewart, Johnson, Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch are the only drivers that go all out for the win. That's the reason three of those five have won the last eight championships between them.

Man , that's a pretty long list Andy ,and not a Ford driver (except for Brad,but he hasn't raced one yet) .
 
:confused: I was commenting on Steve Addington being overrated and Tony Stewart's not my driver. I like him and wish him well but he's not the guy I root for each week.
No , I meant that I didn't see your driver on Andy's 'List' . Heck ,I didn't see hardly anybodys' driver on Andy's 'List".;)
 
No , I meant that I didn't see your driver on Andy's 'List' . Heck ,I didn't see hardly anybodys' driver on Andy's 'List".;)
Ah, okay. Gotcha now. No big deal. My driver doesn't get much credit for anything that he's accomplished so him being left off of the list doesn't bother me. I just can't see how Addington's stats can be disputed, fan or no fan of the guy. He's far from overrated.
 
Does anyone really believe that Nemecheck, Kvapil, Mears etc. are there running hard every lap and going for the win? If you do, I got news for ya'.
 
I'm saying there are too many drivers who are content with finishing fifth and don't want to risk wrecking the car for a better finish because they're points racing.
If guys are riding around, it isn't because they don't have a competitive side or don't want to get up on the wheel. Geez, do you really think it's possible to get to the Cup level without fire and drive? They sometimes ride around because the rules encourage points racing. They do what they have to because they want the big trophy each year, not a half-dozen little ones.

Why do drivers talk about the All-Star race so much? Why do they participate in other series from Nationwide to sprint cars? Because they don't have to worry about points.
 
Does anyone really believe that Nemecheck, Kvapil, Mears etc. are there running hard every lap and going for the win? If you do, I got news for ya'.
There are drivers out there fighting hard to get the highest position they can get ,given their equipment , crew, and talent . I listened to Mears owner on radio this week as well as Kvapil's .Both were very happy with their drivers and expect a lot better finishes this year as their programs improve . No , they won't be contending for wins against Jimmy Johnson , but I think they will still be racing. I think Montoya , McMurray,Jeff Burton and lots of others race hard every week and finish as high as they can with their equipment .If your only concern is winning ,than you have a valid point.
 
There are drivers out there fighting hard to get the highest position they can get ,given their equipment , crew, and talent . I listened to Mears owner on radio this week as well as Kvapil's .Both were very happy with their drivers and expect a lot better finishes this year as their programs improve . No , they won't be contending for wins against Jimmy Johnson , but I think they will still be racing. I think Montoya , McMurray,Jeff Burton and lots of others race hard every week and finish as high as they can with their equipment .If your only concern is winning ,than you have a valid point.

See that's the thing, as you can't have it both ways. Racing is about who gets to the finish line first and unless you're racing to WIN, you just going in circles.

The funny thing is, we fans have come to except that. If Kyle Busch goes and races his tail off, he gets hammered by fans/media - unless he wins ;) If 14 or 15 more guys would go out there, drive the living **** out of the car and expect the same from the crew/chief, we'd see alot better racing and people would soon forget about critisizing KyBu as much as they do.(which I myself have done - but not this year)
 
See that's the thing, as you can't have it both ways. Racing is about who gets to the finish line first and unless you're racing to WIN, you just going in circles.

The funny thing is, we fans have come to except that. If Kyle Busch goes and races his tail off, he gets hammered by fans/media - unless he wins ;) If 14 or 15 more guys would go out there, drive the living **** out of the car and expect the same from the crew/chief, we'd see alot better racing and people would soon forget about critisizing KyBu as much as they do.(which I myself have done - but not this year)

See ,that's the thing . A guy like Steven Wallace goes out there racing for the win, Overdrives his talent and equipment , wrecks his racecar , then gets criticised .We can't have it both ways.
 
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