Much is expected from NASCAR's much-ballyhooed car, but it's not a cure-all.

ted@economy said:
See ,that's the thing . A guy like Steven Wallace goes out there racing for the win, Overdrives his talent and equipment , wrecks his racecar , then gets criticised .We can't have it both ways.
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Because Steve Wallace has no business in a race car as he can't drive! He's there because his rich daddy put him there.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If guys are riding around, it isn't because they don't have a competitive side or don't want to get up on the wheel. Geez, do you really think it's possible to get to the Cup level without fire and drive? They sometimes ride around because the rules encourage points racing. They do what they have to because they want the big trophy each year, not a half-dozen little ones.

Why do drivers talk about the All-Star race so much? Why do they participate in other series from Nationwide to sprint cars? Because they don't have to worry about points.
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Yes.
 
ted@economy said:
See ,that's the thing . A guy like Steven Wallace goes out there racing for the win, Overdrives his talent and equipment , wrecks his racecar , then gets criticised .We can't have it both ways.
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Exactly.

They guys that win championships realize that there are days when their car just isn't capable of winning so they do their best to secure a solid finish and live to fight another day. They guys that go out there with reckless abandon and try to drive the car beyond it's capabilities are the ones that don't last long.
 
ted@economy said:
He's also trying too hard.
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Ted, Steve Wallace can't even park a race car much less drive one. Putting on a fire suit is trying too hard for someone like him.

Remember the 2011 chase? Stewart made that what is was by driving those 10 races full out and not only did the fans win because of it but Stewart was also well rewarded, obviously.
 
#17D500winner said:
Ted, Steve Wallace can't even park a race car much less drive one. Putting on a fire suit is trying too hard for someone like him.

Remember the 2011 chase? Stewart made that what is was by driving those 10 races full out and not only did the fans win because of it but Stewart was also well rewarded, obviously.
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You'll have to excuse me because my memory is really bad and I refuse to look stuff up. But weren't there some fuel mileage races in that run and some others when his main competitors broke ?
 
ted@economy said:
See ,that's the thing . A guy like Steven Wallace goes out there racing for the win, Overdrives his talent and equipment , wrecks his racecar , then gets criticised .We can't have it both ways.
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:confused:Seriously? I've NEVER seen Steve wreck while racing for the win. He usually does it while racing for 10th. Injecting Steve Wallace into the 'race hard for the win' discussion is misguided, to put in mildly.
 
ted@economy said:
You'll have to excuse me because my memory is really bad and I refuse to look stuff up. But weren't there some fuel mileage races in that run and some others when his main competitors broke ?
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That's it! If Steve raced fuel mileage more often, he wouldn't wreck so much!
 
ted@economy said:
You'll have to excuse me because my memory is really bad and I refuse to look stuff up. But weren't there some fuel mileage races in that run and some others when his main competitors broke ?
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Yes, there was, and taking a chance on running out of fuel is racing for the WIN. If Edwards had run ONE more lap a bit harder, he'd be the 2011 Nascar Champion instead of the guy who played it safe for 2nd.
 
FenderBumper said:
:confused:Seriously? I've NEVER seen Steve wreck while racing for the win. He usually does it while racing for 10th. Injecting Steve Wallace into the 'race hard for the win' discussion is misguided, to put in mildly.
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Bout time you got out of bed . You will note that while you were asleep, I successfully lobbied and got Brad onto Andy's list of actual drivers . I could've used some help.:D
 
FenderBumper said:
That's it! If Steve raced fuel mileage more often, he wouldn't wreck so much!
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If I owned a service station, I wouldn't let Wallace pull up to my pumps for fuel :D The guy can't even get to the garage without wrecking!
 
ted@economy said:
Bout time you got out of bed . You will note that while you were asleep, I successfully lobbied and got Brad onto Andy's list of actual drivers . I could've used some help.:D
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I never noticed that..nicely done, Ted.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Ah, okay. Gotcha now. No big deal. My driver doesn't get much credit for anything that he's accomplished so him being left off of the list doesn't bother me. I just can't see how Addington's stats can be disputed, fan or no fan of the guy. He's far from overrated.
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It really pisses me of that my driver is not on the "ANDY" list, because that list means so much in the overall scheme of things, how could he be so callous. :mad: :p
 
Johali said:
It really pisses me of that my driver is not on the "ANDY" list, because that list means so much in the overall scheme of things, how could he be so callous. :mad: :p
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I could try to get another driver on the list , but it would require some up front cash to cover 'out of pocket' expenses.
 
FenderBumper said:
:confused: huh?

Anyway, back to your comments about Steve Wallace racing for wins. :banned:
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He's implying that by denying you've seen that musical that you may be covering for some latent homosexual tendencies. He's saying you're a big ol' Mo.
 
#17D500winner said:
I'm not much of a Keselowski fan but I never understood that.:confused: I didn't see where he raced dirty or stupid, just ran hard - which I hope is what he gets paid to do.
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It's because NASCAR Sprint Cup drivers aren't out there to race. They're corporate spokespeople.
 
Johali said:
It really pisses me of that my driver is not on the "ANDY" list, because that list means so much in the overall scheme of things, how could he be so callous. :mad: :p
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Andy has a strict set of criteria for his list. Something that our drivers can't live up to. :D

Andy's not a bad guy. I've met him. He's a nice guy. He's also a little confused at times. :p
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Andy has a strict set of criteria for his list. Something that our drivers can't live up to. :D

Andy's not a bad guy. I've met him. He's a nice guy. He's also a little confused at times. :p
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Kissing up in hopes of a few free hot dogs at Martinsvile, huh?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Are we talking about 5-time Keselowski or the Keselowski that just won his first Championship? Just checkin'. :rolleyes:
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If they're willing to let Keselowski cruise to 5 consecutive cups, so be it. You may now roll your eyes foward in your head and read my repsonse :)
 
#17D500winner said:
If their willing to let Keselowski cruise to 5 consecutive cups, so be it. You may now roll your eyes foward in your head and read my repsonse :)
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Man, where are all of these new found Keselowski fans coming from? I thought Fender was in charge of pushing them off of the bandwagon? :p
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Man, where are all of these new found Keselowski fans coming from? I thought Fender was in charge of pushing them off of the bandwagon? :p
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I'm not a fan of his as I think he's an egotistical *** but I'm also not so blind and stupid that I'd deny his driving ability. He went out and drove his way to the cup - good for him.
 
#17D500winner said:
I'm not a fan of his as I think he's an egotistical *** but I'm also not so blind and stupid that I'd deny his driving ability. He went out and drove his way to the cup - good for him.
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I don't deny his ability as a driver but I don't see him as being the 'bar' either. There are plenty of drivers out there capable of taking home the hardware. We all witnessed Edwards going from a tiebreaker for the Championship to being an alsoran. We also saw an on fire Tony Stewart not being able to follow up on his prior season.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Man, where are all of these new found Keselowski fans coming from? I thought Fender was in charge of pushing them off of the bandwagon?
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Winning is how most drivers gain fans because they all can't be Jr. :p


#17D500winner said:
I'm not a fan of his as I think he's an egotistical *** but I'm also not so blind and stupid that I'd deny his driving ability. He went out and drove his way to the cup - good for him.
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For sure. The guy says some real ballsy stuff about leading the sport to better things, but as long as he brings it home I'm fine with it. It's how he challenges himself to be better and better. It's what made me feel he would be a winner early in his career. When he won NW races Kyle didn't race in, he would stand in the winners circle and say he wants Kyle there because wins really mean something when you beat the best. On the surface it sounds arrogant, but his drive to be the best forces him to downplay wins. How many drivers do that?

Now he's doing it with his cup championship. I loved how he said he's last on the champion list, and he doesn't like being there. I believe his goal is to win 8 championships and be as big to the sport as Earnhardt and Petty were. If he can keep his unbelievabe drive and hunger for success long enough, he just might do it. Possibly the most impressive aspect of his personality is the absolute lack of the fear of failure. Most drivers start the chase with bland statements about fate or if it's meant to be. He comes out and says they can win it if they score 400 points and talks about not losing the championship. Before the first race he put it on the line and it was theirs to lose.

Ego? Arrogance? Yep, and I love it.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Man, where are all of these new found Keselowski fans coming from? I thought Fender was in charge of pushing them off of the bandwagon? :p
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Win a championship and the entourage of minions will follow. :cool:
 
When will people learn to not mention the "Brad", you all know it will start a sheet storm with the Fender.:D
 
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