my letter to nascar

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de7xwcc

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An open Letter to Brian France and Mike Helton

well folks you finally did it, I have been a loyal fan since 1967 haven't missed a race at BMS in the past 30 years, have been to all but 3 tracks (California,Chicago,Kansas city) have been to well over 400 races, spent a small fortune (by your standards) on tickets, t-shirts, cars, hats etc.
NO MORE !
For the last few years I have been losing interest slowly but surely, this past week at Daytona finally did it. first the 48's deal. why did he not start in the back, 2 guys changed motors and had to start in the back, the 48 gets caught cheating and doesn't WHY?
second the 20 tries to take out the 17 intentionally and all you do is make him go to the end of the longest line.
now for the penalties $25,000 and 4 races and NO points for the 48 crew chief, BIG DEAL lets see pay a $25,000 fine win $1.5 million HUMMMMMM. ever heard of cell phones the man WILL be calling the shots even though he will be calling them from home
25 point and $25,000 for the 96 for what your own people called "a mistake"
this is one fan you have lost, sure that is no big deal to you there are 100 waiting to take my place, that may very well be true however I don't think the fans you are getting today will stick around for the next 30 years, it's been a great ride but thanks to the inconstancy you have shown over the past few years I guess I am saying my sad farewell to a sport I once truly loved. Oh I will check in every now and then just to see what's going on, but you have seen the last dollar you will ever see from me. my scanners and other track paraphernalia go on e-bay today.
I could go on but really do I need to say more.

RP
Tennessee

by the way this is their e-mail address if anyone else is intrested
[email protected]
 
I totally understand your sentiment. I was thinking this morning that very same thing. Will I still be a fan of NASCAR when Jarrett retires? Probably not. NASCAR is going the way of Professional Westling in my opinion. I don't have time to elaborate now as to why I feel this way (I'm at work) but to say I'm frustrated is an understatement.

We have some of the best local racing in the country in my area and I think that's where my racing money will go after DJ retires.
 
GEEZE !!!! I know just how you guys feel !!!! Boy !!! Do I remember the times the Childress/Earnhardt team got the "special considerations" handed to them, and NASCAR came close to admitting as much because of the controversy and fan appeal created. The greater the controversy the more people became interested.

Needless to say, despite serious apprehensions, I stayed and enjoyed it less and less and can now clainm to have been a follower for fifty plus years and now find a resurgence in interest as for once, it seems NASCAR is being more consistent in applying the rules. Not all the time do they seem to get it right but more often than not and more consistently as well.

One thing to keep in mind is the event at Daytona was not racing. It was packaged entertainment and as such must be understood in a different way than a racing entertainment at a track like Martinsville.
 
I totally agree. I have been debating how legit NASCAR is every since JJ started winning every race at his sposors HOME TRACK...LOWES MOTOR SPEEDWAY. I can understand a hot sreak but in the last 3 years 2 races a year he has only lost once way back in 03. Kyle busch is also having the same kinda streaks in the BUSCH Lowes sponsored car and truck. I just think they sold out when NEXTEL took over. Sponsors are calling the shots. The penalties just prove what I have been wondering for years, does NASCAR favor HEndricks a known fellon....I don't even have to say it. No points tells you what you need to know....
 
They did not take points away because it was b4 quilf, when it was found.

Harvick did not loose points when his car was found cheating b4 quilf.

Some ppl are making to big a deal out of this......
 
kbmdale said:
I totally agree. I have been debating how legit NASCAR is every since JJ started winning every race at his sposors HOME TRACK...LOWES MOTOR SPEEDWAY.
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Why would NASCAR "fix" races for Lowe's when the track is owned by their competition and Home Depot is the official store of NASCAR?
 
No matter when it was found, i find it stupid to take points away from the driver. He did nothing wrong he just has a cheater for a crew chief. The driver is never told of the changes going in to the car, if he is he is told major bs. Belive me i know.
 
Want about JR winning at dayona the same year his dad died....maybe Jimmy Spencer is right, all the races are rigged.....what are we going to do??
 
MRM said:
Why would NASCAR "fix" races for Lowe's when the track is owned by their competition and Home Depot is the official store of NASCAR?
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I don't know why would they not dock the 48 points like they have every other team that was caught with a "unaproved Modification to the car". Why do they always when presented a chance to show the world they are a fair legit sport always seem to shot themselves right in the head. Its just to convienient for the 48 lowes cheverolet to be going for his 4th straight Coca cola 600 @ Lowes motor speedway this spring and his 3rd straight gm quality 500 @ lowes motor speedway in the fall. Seems kinda fishy :growl:
 
Lap3Forever said:
Want about JR winning at dayona the same year his dad died....maybe Jimmy Spencer is right, all the races are rigged.....what are we going to do??
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You must admitt, his car did look like it had nitrous compared to the rest at times. ;) I am a JR fan and can admitt it looked strange to say the least.
 
Lap3Forever said:
They did not take points away because it was b4 quilf, when it was found.

Harvick did not loose points when his car was found cheating b4 quilf.

Some ppl are making to big a deal out of this......
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they were caught in post qual insepection..the same as HOF Racing.....if you take points away from one..you must take points away from the other..
 
Lap3Forever said:
Do you have any idea how hard it would be to "fix" a race? There is almost no way you can.
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Really..lets just see

Well Nascar controls the caution flag..There s a tool. Nascar controls the in race penalties.. there's another good tool. They also control the inspection process and determine what is legal and what is not...HMMM So they can basically play god. Now all your driver has to do is keep it out of the wall...Have you not noticed the amount of cautions right before the pitwindows open....For DEBRE.....
 
i stopped spending my $100 per seat at CHARLOTTE because the Lowes car wins every race.
 
de7xwcc said:
my scanners and other track paraphernalia go on e-bay today.
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Come on now. If you're really that pissed off, throw the stuff in the trash or at least just give it away for free. :rolleyes:
 
This Buds For Me said:
they were caught in post qual insepection..the same as HOF Racing.....if you take points away from one..you must take points away from the other..
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The parts on the 48 car were LEGAL parts, unlike the carburetor on HOF's car. If you folks would READ the article instead of just browsing it, you would have seen it.
 
yes bumpzter i am that pissed, and why should i lose more more of my hard earned $$ to them. i sold my scanners to a friend this morning and also sold him my BMS season tickets (got half today half next month damn those things are expensive) i will keep my BMS season tickets so my buddy can get them but i have spent my last dime on nsacar and their senseless BS !!

honestly this is just the straw that broke the camels back, i have really not enjoyed it much since 02.18.01
 
majestyx said:
The parts on the 48 car were LEGAL parts, unlike the carburetor on HOF's car. If you folks would READ the article instead of just browsing it, you would have seen it.
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The Carberator in question was a LEGAL NASCAR APPROVED CARB...It would be fine to run at 32 of the 36 events. It was not approcved to run at daytona...ONCE AGIAN there is no spin to get the 48 freed. Both teams commited the same crime, one was intentional, one was not. Nascar shot the guy that did it by accident and told the cheater to go home.
 
majestyx said:
The parts on the 48 car were LEGAL parts, unlike the carburetor on HOF's car. If you folks would READ the article instead of just browsing it, you would have seen it.
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What a crock of ........ The car did not fit the template by a mile the way the parts were used..Case closed.
 
Lap3Forever said:
Want about JR winning at dayona the same year his dad died....maybe Jimmy Spencer is right, all the races are rigged.....what are we going to do??
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as a matter of fact didn't Johnson win the race when HENDRICKS chopper went down and killed half the klan. I mean talk about feel good story... Like I said all they need in VINCE screaming at someone during the prerace and you can call it NASCE National asociation of stock car entertainment.
 
majestyx said:
The parts on the 48 car were LEGAL parts, unlike the carburetor on HOF's car. If you folks would READ the article instead of just browsing it, you would have seen it.
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They cheated....it doesnt matter if the parts were legal or not...cheated point blank and got caught.
 
You really shouldn't have gotten rid of your scanners if you still enjoy racing, even if you don't care for the NASCAR Cup series. We no longer attend any big time races either, though we still watch them on TV, however, every Saturday night, we attend out local races and that is when we get our money for our scanners. The traffic at the local scene is much more, shall we say...articulate, that what one might hear at the big tracks. Remember, they fine people in the big time for what they say over their radios. Not so at the local scene. We often get a big kick out of what some of the boys are saying, especially about some of the ladies at the track. :)

But on the subject of the thread, I feel for you and your loss towards NASCAR. I went down the same road many years ago, probably when Jeff Gordon first arrived on the scene. Not that it was Jeff that caused my change of attitude, but it was NASCAR who began to make so many changes that I knew then that this wasn't my daddy's NASCAR anymore. And the problem simply is money. Technology costs money and it's technology that drives this sport. So, when you have technology driving the sport, you need the money for said technology, and when you need money, you have to go out and beg for it, i.e. find a sponsor who is willing to put up all the money for said technology. It will and has, reached the point where so much money is being given by the sponsors that they expect to see results for their money. But it isn't just results, they also want the team to be able to sell their products as well, which means that an attractive driver is a must and he must be able to speak well, but of course, he must be a great driver.

I don't blame the sponsors for wanting what they want for all the money they throw into the sport, but that's where all the problems have come. No longer will we be able to see a Kirk Shelmerdine, through his hard work and perseverence become a champion driver. No sir, if you don't have that almighty dollar to help you knock off a second, or even a tenth of a second, you aren't going to win much of anything.

And as far was fixing races, that has been and always will be something to debate for fans for years to come. I worked with an old car owner who fielded Busch cars for many years. Had some of the most famous names drive for him, but he finally was forced out of the sport. Why? Because of the money. But he told me that it was more than once that those higher ups in NASCAR would come around to the teams and tell them what they (NASCAR) wanted to happen but it was up to the teams to figure a way for it to happen. Now that might not be actually fixing a race, but it's pretty close.
 
de7xwcc said:
yes bumpzter i am that pissed, and why should i lose more more of my hard earned $$ to them.
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I was just kidding. But on a more serious note, I understand how you feel. I went through something similar some time ago. Skipped almost a full season. Came back, but not with the same vigor. And, I don't have a single NASCAR item in the house now. Don't need any of that overprized stuff.
 
kbmdale said:
as a matter of fact didn't Johnson win the race when HENDRICKS chopper went down and killed half the klan. I mean talk about feel good story... Like I said all they need in VINCE screaming at someone during the prerace and you can call it NASCE National asociation of stock car entertainment.
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First of all, it was an airplane not a chopper. And, yes, Jimmie won the Martinsville race in 2004 BEFORE any news was let out to the public of said airplane crash. And, last, it IS entertainment.
 
majestyx said:
First of all, it was an airplane not a chopper. And, yes, Jimmie won the Martinsville race in 2004 BEFORE any news was let out to the public of said airplane crash. And, last, it IS entertainment.
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hey your boy Vince is comming to nashville, The titans better pic him..lol
 
I've got to add my two cents here.
First off NASCAR's decision on the #48 to only take away money and not take away points pissed me off, too. A few of the things that NASCAR did last year didn't set well either. The commercialization of the sport sucks. I don't feel it is how the sport was envisioned by the founders. What the heck does a Bon Jovi concert have to do with racecars?
Our beloved sport that our dad's took us to see when we were young is changing for the worse. Too many greedy fools are making too many important decisions.
But... it hasn't gotten to the point where I'm going to stop watching it or stop going to races. To me, it still beats the pants off of watching grown men play with a ball.
As far as Jimmie dedicating the win to the "haters", I say, thank you. I admit I just might be the President of the Jimmie Johnson Haters Club of America. I never liked him and I never will. He has very questionable character as witnessed by all and discussed in several threads last year. Nothing is ever his fault, he's perfect. If you, for a minute, think that the driver doesn't know what's going on with his racecar or the "devices" or set-ups that that were put on it, you are living in a fantasy world. At Daytona, Jimmie knew exactly what was illegal on his car. Not only did he conspire to cheat with his team and his crew chief, he supported his cheating crew chief after the fact.
I'm not trying to ruffle the feathers of the loyal JJ worshipers or take away from his ability to drive a racecar, I think he is a very good driver. Not one of the best, but good. I do not wish him any harm. I just do not like him as a person. I think he's a weasel.
But it's not enough to turn in my scanners, turn off my T.V. and stop going to races. NASCAR is going to have to try a lot harder to get me to find a new sport.
The people in charge of NASCAR need to stop allowing themselves to be hypnotized by the almighty dollar.
I know, fat chance.
 
BF, how do YOU know what JJ knew? Did he secretly confess to you and you alone?

If not, I'd stick to the facts.

Illegal parts - no
Use of parts outside the 'spirit of racing' - sure...
Fixed race - no way. (How much $$$ does it take to buy off 40 other sponsors AND keep them quiet?)
48 win legit - yup (over 6 hours of inspection on the car. nothing wrong.)
 
vanzetti said:
BF, how do YOU know what JJ knew? Did he secretly confess to you and you alone?

If not, I'd stick to the facts.

Illegal parts - no
Use of parts outside the 'spirit of racing' - sure...
Fixed race - no way. (How much $$$ does it take to buy off 40 other sponsors AND keep them quiet?)
48 win legit - yup (over 6 hours of inspection on the car. nothing wrong.)
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Do you honestly believe that, at this level of racing, the driver doesn't know what's going on with his racecar????
Sure, over 6 hours of inspection, nothing, but what happened after the FIRST hour of post-qualifying inspection????
If I were you, I'd stick to the facts, as well. Why is Chad gone???? Again.
 
Perhaps, these aren't really the facts.

Chad Knaus, crew chief for the #48 Chevrolet driven by Jimmie Johnson, has been fined $25,000 and suspended from all NASCAR events until March 22, 2006 [thru Atlanta race]. Knaus has also been placed on probation until Dec. 31, 2006. The penalties come because of an unapproved template modification to the rear window area, violating Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing) and 20-3.12.1 (A) (unapproved template modification.) of the 2006 NASCAR Rule book. The violation was discovered during Feb. 12 post-qualifying inspection for the Daytona 500. On Feb. 13, NASCAR ejected Knaus from further participation in Daytona 500 activities as a result of the violation.[No Point Penalties]
 
kbmdale said:
as a matter of fact didn't Johnson win the race when HENDRICKS chopper went down and killed half the klan. I mean talk about feel good story... Like I said all they need in VINCE screaming at someone during the prerace and you can call it NASCE National asociation of stock car entertainment.
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That statment goes a little far out in left filed if you ask me.

and i belive the 1 car won the week after Dale Sr was killed, so was that race rigged?
 
BobbyFord said:
Do you honestly believe that, at this level of racing, the driver doesn't know what's going on with his racecar????
Sure, over 6 hours of inspection, nothing, but what happened after the FIRST hour of post-qualifying inspection????
If I were you, I'd stick to the facts, as well. Why is Chad gone???? Again.
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yes i do, like the crew is going to tell the driver the car is illegal...I build and work on dirt racecars, so i do know about this kind of stuff.. so no the drivers dont know everything, they get paid to drive not work on and build the cars
 
The driver is as guilty as anyone. He's the one racing the car for pete's sake.

As for people packing it in with Nascar - too each his own. However, when one looks at what's considered entertainment today; reality TV with people suffering, car accidents, animals being abused, deformed people, plastic surgery gone wrong and then of course there's Jerry Springer where people will do just about anything for a free trip to Chicago - Nascar is simply cashing in. I'll tell ya', the majority of fans most likely look upon their driver with rose colored glasses - does anyone seriously think the #20 & #17 was a "racing deal" - so why shouldn't Nascar do the same.

No where in any logical sense can I think of how allowing one car to intentionally wreck another at 190mph be considered safe. Yes - allowing. By sending a driver to the back of the pack for those actions, Nascar sends a message to every driver out there that it's OK to do this. If safety of drivers is the #1 priorty, than people who INTENTIONALLY endanger the lives of others and the BRAG about it need to be removed from the "sport".

Maybe the next time I get caught speeding I'll say it's a "I had a flat tire, trying to get to work on time so I don't get fired" deal.
 
how do you know the inspection took 6 hours ??
were you there ? did you watch it?
that is the spin nascar if using to CYA
i'm not tryin to start a pi**in contest here, this is just one more reason nascar has lost me as a fan like i said it's the inconstancy of there actions that i can't deal with anymore
 
Lap3Forever said:
yes i do, like the crew is going to tell the driver the car is illegal...I build and work on dirt racecars, so i do know about this kind of stuff.. so no the drivers dont know everything, they get paid to drive not work on and build the cars
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This is NASCAR, not dirt cars.
This is a little higher level where more money is at stake.
Johnson knew it. He even said "We're trying something new".
 
FACT#1- #48 failed post-qualifying template inspection.
FACT #2- Chad got caught!!!
FACT #3- #96 failed post-qualifying inspection for use of unapproved (illegal)
carburetor.
FACT #4- Chad Knauss was suspended four races, probation entire season, fined.
FACT #5- #96 was fined and points taken.
FACT #6- #48 went on to win Daytona 500.
FACT #7 #48 passed exhaustive post-race inspection and declared legal.
FACT #8- Previous offenses (within past three years) involving use of unapproved
(illegal) parts were point reduction penalties.
FACT#10- Previous penalties involving cheating (or creative engineering) using legal
or approved parts received no point reduction.

Show me a valid media outlet that proves these facts are not correct and I'll apologize for posting incorrect information.

My big thought here is, why are fans obsessed with the #48 thing ??? They cheated, got caught, NASCAR imposed a consistent penalty as in the past whether we agree or not on the severity of the penalty. The #48 won the Daytona 500 and passed an exhaustive post-race inspection that was open to anyone in the garage !!!

If anyone thinks Childress, Roush, Yates, Gibbs or any other team owner thought there as a chance to challenge the #48 for being illegal, thye were there and had the opportunity to suggest to NASCAR where to look in the most remote of gray areas. The inspection process has been open in the garage for nearly ten years, unlike the earlier years when tech inspections were not done openly.

It seems Patrick 9999 has hit the nail on the head. Tony Stewart committed an act of total disregard for his fellow competitors yet the hew and cry goes to the #48 for winning the Daytona 500 and CHad Knauss cheating.
If you fans who are up in arms think there is inconsistency with NASCAR, perhaps some of you should look in the mirror and try to understand why the maneuver by Tony Stewart is unimportant. After all, what is worse.
Cheating for advantage or deliberately trying to wreck someone with callous disregard for fellow competitors, at 190 miles per hour ???? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
Clear and round dealing is the honor of a man's nature, and that mixture if falsehood is like alloy in coin of gold and silver, which makes the metal work the better, but debases it. —Francis Bacon
 
What type of Scanner is it. Have you seen the New Race scanner for the races. You cna't buy them but you can rent them this year, But next year you can buy them.
 
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