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Had time to think about pointless crap on the flight and thought this one out.

Track: Hawaii Motor Speedway - Honolulu, Hawaii, 4/10th's mile similar to IRP or Irwindale. Owned by SMI, 40,000-50,000 seat facility. Capable of hosting football, weekly short track races, etc to offset cost.

Date: 2nd & 3rd weekend in December on Friday & Saturday night. No conflict with college football.

Races:
- "NASCAR Whelen All- American Invitational" on Friday Week 1.
- "Monster Showdown" on Saturday Week 1.
- "Goodyear Challenge" on Thursday Week 2.
- Awards Banquet on Friday Week 2.
- "Monster Energy Cup" on Saturday Week 2.

- Whelen All-American Invitational: $100,000 to win, 200 laps, pit stop break after lap 75 & lap 150 for tires and fuel. Race consists of 20 cars: Cup 4, Xfinity 4, Trucks 4, K&N West, K&N East, ARCA, Whelen Modifieds, Pinty's (Canada), Mexico Series, Euro Series, All-American Champion. All cars are spec late models with only small adjustments being made.

- Monster Showdown: $1 million to win, only the winner advances to Monster Energy Cup. 150 laps, caution after lap 50 & 100. Caution laps off in final 50 laps. Drivers eligible are drivers who haven't won a race in previous Cup season that attempted a race and any Xfinity or Truck Chase driver that wishes to run. Cup cars are ran. No fan vote.

- Goodyear Challenge: $100,000 to win. Top 16 in Cup points from previous season face off in bracket style pit stop competition. Time will start when driver hits timing line, ends when he hits the end of pit road. Penalties assessed.

Monster Energy Cup Qualifying will take place after Goodyear Challenge with an in and out lap.

- Cup Awards Banquet: Makes sense to have it paired with this in part of champions week, right?

- Monster Energy Cup: 5 million to win (3 million to team/driver, 1 million to charity of team/drivers choice, 1 million to fan in attendance), previous seasons Cup winners, previous season Xfinity Champion, Truck Champion, Cup Champion in last 10 years, All-Star Race winner in last 10 years, Showdown Winner.

4 segments: 75 laps, 50 laps, 50 laps, 25 laps. Must take at least 2 tires and fuel in 75 lap segment under green. Winner from one of first 3 segments is guaranteed top 3 spots in final segment, $100,000 bonus if you can win another segment. Segment winners are inverted among top 3. Field is cut down to 10 based upon average finish position in 3 segments, non-segment winners in top 10 are inverted.

Teams will come down pit road with 25 to go for mandatory 4 tire pit stop in inverted order, lineup for final segment will be based upon pit stop results.
 
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How are you gonna get that many fans to buy plane tickets to Hawaii though?

Take a good hard look at the NFL Pro Bowl. Hawaii sounds good on paper, but...
 
Thoughts on this? Probably just rambling. Seen somebody talking about a race in Hawaii and I can't think I was the only one who think it would be a good idea. The All-Star Race is dull at Charlotte besides it being home base & the allure of a million isn't as big as it used to be. Couple this with "Champions a Week" in Hawaii and a short track and it's something I thought up.
 
Michfan said:
Should be easy to get all the cars/equipment to Hawaii

How about we just do the all Star race at eldora?
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We've had exhibitions in Japan & Australia. IndyCar has done the same thing on numerous occasions.
 
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Never liked the darn thing anyway , take it to Australia if you want it .
 
AuzGrams said:
Had time to think about pointless crap on the flight and thought this one out.

Track: Hawaii Motor Speedway - Honolulu, Hawaii, 4/10th's mile similar to IRP or Irwindale. Owned by SMI, 40,000-50,000 seat facility. Capable of hosting football, weekly short track races, etc to offset cost.

Date: 2nd & 3rd weekend in December on Friday & Saturday night. No conflict with college football.

Races:
- "NASCAR Whelen All- American Invitational" on Friday Week 1.
- "Monster Showdown" on Saturday Week 1.
- "Goodyear Challenge" on Thursday Week 2.
- Awards Banquet on Friday Week 2.
- "Monster Energy Cup" on Saturday Week 2.

- Whelen All-American Invitational: $100,000 to win, 200 laps, pit stop break after lap 75 & lap 150 for tires and fuel. Race consists of 20 cars: Cup 4, Xfinity 4, Trucks 4, K&N West, K&N East, ARCA, Whelen Modifieds, Pinty's (Canada), Mexico Series, Euro Series, All-American Champion. All cars are spec late models with only small adjustments being made.

- Monster Showdown: $1 million to win, only the winner advances to Monster Energy Cup. 150 laps, caution after lap 50 & 100. Caution laps off in final 50 laps. Drivers eligible are drivers who haven't won a race in previous Cup season that attempted a race and any Xfinity or Truck Chase driver that wishes to run. Cup cars are ran. No fan vote.

- Goodyear Challenge: $100,000 to win. Top 16 in Cup points from previous season face off in bracket style pit stop competition. Time will start when driver hits timing line, ends when he hits the end of pit road. Penalties assessed.

Monster Energy Cup Qualifying will take place after Goodyear Challenge with an in and out lap.

- Cup Awards Banquet: Makes sense to have it paired with this in part of champions week, right?

- Monster Energy Cup: 5 million to win (3 million to team/driver, 1 million to charity of team/drivers choice, 1 million to fan in attendance), previous seasons Cup winners, previous season Xfinity Champion, Truck Champion, Cup Champion in last 10 years, All-Star Race winner in last 10 years, Showdown Winner.

4 segments: 75 laps, 50 laps, 50 laps, 25 laps. Must take at least 2 tires and fuel in 75 lap segment under green. Winner from one of first 3 segments is guaranteed top 3 spots in final segment, $100,000 bonus if you can win another segment. Segment winners are inverted among top 3. Field is cut down to 10 based upon average finish position in 3 segments, non-segment winners in top 10 are inverted.

Teams will come down pit road with 25 to go for mandatory 4 tire pit stop in inverted order, lineup for final segment will be based upon pit stop results.
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Holy Cow as I would have to be on an international flight to come up with half that stuff! You bring up some cool scenarios so sign me up.
 
Was bored at the airport in Phoenix.

I am surprised at why France doesn't dump off a race or two in favor of an international market, I'm sure there's a sell to a big paying sponsor/promoter somewhere. Montreal was a hit. Mexico City was highly attended, heard it was a logistical nightmare which I imagine is the case at many of these.
 
Who's paying to ship all these cars to HI? The Whelen teams certainly can't afford it. And who's paying to fly all these people over and put them up at HI hotel and meal rates for over a week?

Financially unlikely.
 
Whelen would be a spec crate engine late model, more cost efficient that way. Really this is the only race that wouldn't be as feasible as the other ones.

Showdown teams would be practicing, qualifying, racing on Saturday. They won't need to stay that long unless they ended up winning.

Cup teams would be there Thursday to Sunday. Throw in the banquet and other champion festivities on Friday. Not like costs are that cheap anyway with what they're doing in Las Vegas.
 
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Whelen would be a spec crate engine late model, more cost efficient that way. Really this is the only race that wouldn't be as feasible as the other ones.

Showdown teams would be practicing, qualifying, racing on Saturday. They won't need to stay that long unless they ended up winning.

Cup teams would be there Thursday to Sunday. Throw in the banquet and other champion festivities on Friday. Not like costs are that cheap anyway with what they're doing in Las Vegas.
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I guess you are well aware that it's still 5 1/2 months before April Fool's Day.........

This has to be a joke!!!!! No way you are serious......
 
I said it was just a rambling idea. I don't see what's so far fetched about international racing which NASCAR and IndyCar has done before. New markets could help the sport and Honolulu has 1 million people in their metro area.
 
Two points about the racing those series have done outside the US. First, they were on existing tracks. Second, other than Canada, they stopped doing the others mostly for financial reasons.
 
AuzGrams said:
I said it was just a rambling idea. I don't see what's so far fetched about international racing which NASCAR and IndyCar has done before. New markets could help the sport and Honolulu has 1 million people in their metro area.
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1 Million actually isn't much..... Los Angeles County is close to 10 Million... New York City in itself over 8 million..... Davidson County TN. which encompasses Nashville is over 1 million yet couldn't support Denis Glynn's new track just outside Nashville... it's being torn down to make way for an induistrial park..... I know a lot of folks cite the reason they can't attend races now is because of the cost incurred ..... a trip to Hawaii for a race seems out of reason for most of them..... maybe there are 50.000 locals out the million who would attend.... :cool:
 
The all-star race should rotate between Charlotte, Darlington, Martinsville, and Bristol. Four significantly different tracks and all in reasonably close proximity to Charlotte.
 
Locals along with a trip out to Hawaii to attend a NASCAR race in a premier vacation destination I think would sell fine. Nashville is all the way out in Lebanon and Dover Motorsports did a piss poor job managing their facilities (Gateway, Memphis, Nashville). Not exactly close to town like the Fairgrounds is.

I agree though the race has ran its course at Charlotte.
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_Super_Prix
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Good information. I think NASCAR could do a better job with an established race and management that isn't inept, Oahu is much different than Honolulu, but that precedent is set.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Who's paying to ship all these cars to HI? The Whelen teams certainly can't afford it. And who's paying to fly all these people over and put them up at HI hotel and meal rates for over a week?

Financially unlikely.
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Ship? Fly them like we do down under.
Very similar to V8 SuperCars flying between NZ and Australia.

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The All-Star race has been a joke for more than a decade. It's time to *A* Rotate it between multiple tracks and *B* Host it after the season finale. Let the top 40 in the final points standings race in 2 separate heat races to qualify for the "big show". The goal would be to prove that you are a better driver than the championship points standings showed. The winner automatically qualifies for the upcoming Daytona 500 (assuming provisionals were eliminated) and prize money is only awarded to those drivers who finish the race in higher positions than where they finished in the points standings.
 
Clutch said:
Ship? Fly them like we do down under.
Very similar to V8 SuperCars flying between NZ and Australia.
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I used the word 'shipping' in a generic sense.

But regardless of the mode of transportation, who's footing the bill? NASCAR? The teams? The track? Now that I think about it, wouldn't using a cargo freighter be cheaper than aircraft?

But it's not like this has a snowball's chance of happening.
 
It's still the All-Star Race, so I imagine it would be a joint effort between teams/NASCAR/and the track. At least that's the idea.

Hopefully IndyCar can return to Surfer's in 2017 and I can attend. So I can justify making this thread. LOL.

The All-Star Race in its current format is dull at Charlotte. Imagine what a change of scenery (any track, rotation, etc) it would do to put it at the end of the year where there's been 3-4 weeks without NASCAR. I guess there's not a lot of good December venues besides Miami, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana, Texas, maybe Atlanta and Darlington.
 
AuzGrams said:
.... Imagine what a change of scenery (any track, rotation, etc) it would do to put it at the end of the year where there's been 3-4 weeks without NASCAR. I guess there's not a lot of good December venues besides Miami, Vegas, Phoenix, Fontana, Texas, maybe Atlanta and Darlington.
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Dude, that's going to put it right at the end of the US National Football League season. The NFL is the 800-pound gorilla of US sports. Nobody here is going to care about an exhibition race in the middle of that league's playoff hunt. Anybody who was willing to spend money traveling to a sport event will be using it for NFL playoff games or post-season college football games. (All college post-season games are on neutral sites, so fans of BOTH teams have to travel. Indeed, the reputation for and willingness of a school's fans to travel is often key in deciding which schools are selected for post-season play!)

NASCAR isn't going up against football in mid-December. They already don't like going up against it once the football season starts. That's the primary reason for the Chase in the first place: to reduce the loss of audience to football.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The All-Star race should be abandoned. There's nothing 'All-Star' about it.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner...Someone please explain why this has been called an All-Star race? In the NFL, less than 5% of the players make the all star team roster, in the NBA it's less than 7%. In NASCAR it seems like everyone gets a participation trophy, so it really doesn't matter who wins or loses. How can you have a group of all stars when you only have 40 drivers racing each week?

Makes me wonder, if changing the name/venue/rules would be more meaningful and have more credibility?
 
2nd weekend in December there's literally no competition at all with college football besides the Army-Navy game. 3rd weekend is the New Mexico & New Orleans Bowl.

I could see the NFL as an issue but it's a Saturday race.

People and teams would care about the All-Star Race at any track or format if they'd actually bring back a bigger payout, I feel.
 
AuzGrams said:
2nd weekend in December there's literally no competition at all with college football besides the Army-Navy game. 3rd weekend is the New Mexico & New Orleans Bowl.

I could see the NFL as an issue but it's a Saturday race.

People and teams would care about the All-Star Race at any track or format if they'd actually bring back a bigger payout, I feel.
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It's not the games that are on that weekend, it's that people who can afford to travel to a sports event are likely to have already spent their money on travel packages for the late December / early January bowl games.

I'm not sure of the exact weekend, but the NFL starts playing Saturday games sometime in mid-December.
 
Haven't we covered this before?
Just put the All-Star race at the dirt track right outside of Charlotte Motor Speedway. Put some money into the dirt track to add more stands and then hold a dirt track event (2 heats and a main) right there. It can still be an "off week" for those that live in Charlotte.
 
LouieLouie said:
Haven't we covered this before?
Just put the All-Star race at the dirt track right outside of Charlotte Motor Speedway. Put some money into the dirt track to add more stands and then hold a dirt track event (2 heats and a main) right there. It can still be an "off week" for those that live in Charlotte.
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As crazy as it sounds, Humpy Wheeler admitted to pitching this very idea to Winston in 1991, but instead they came up with adding lights to CMS and that saved the All-Star race in its current form.
 
:D If there is merit to the idea of having the All Star Race and the Cup Banquet at the same locale, there is one easy solution...

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