NASCAR considering to police post-race celebrations

When I was watching Hamlin I was thinking " he is going to make sure they can't get caught in post race inspection"

I think it has to stop and taking away team points as the penalty for failing post Race Inspection is the answer. It is the team that sets the car and makes adjustments and therefore should be the one being penalized. Fine the CC, ( team pays anyways) and lose all points for that race would be enough to bring the practice to a screeching halt.
 
Team Penske said:
When I was watching Hamlin I was thinking " he is going to make sure they can't get caught in post race inspection"

I think it has to stop and taking away team points as the penalty for failing post Race Inspection is the answer. It is the team that sets the car and makes adjustments and therefore should be the one being penalized. Fine the CC, ( team pays anyways) and lose all points for that race would be enough to bring the practice to a screeching halt.
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I've been watching them tear down Hamlin's car this morning @ the R&D Center. Can't really see the damage to the car. Just a bunch of them standing around looking at the back end scratching their heads. They just put the caster wheels on a few minutes ago and are getting ready to push the car away. Not sure if there will be a good view of the back of the car or not.
 
I like to see the celebrations, but I also wonder about the car passing post-race.
You'd think the owner would stop the car destruction because it's money out of his pocket.

But, I have no problem with some rules being put in place.
 
I'm old fashioned, I liked it when the driver took the flag and circled the track so the driver could wave to the fans and the fans could see the driver (Kulwiki victory lap) - pretty lame for today's crowd. I think the donuts is just showboating (although I've appreciated a couple demonstrations). This will be a tough call for NASCAR, suppressing celebrations vs preserving the integrity of the sport. I think victory lane is the place for celebrations with the team.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I'm old fashioned, I liked it when the driver took the flag and circled the track so the driver could wave to the fans and the fans could see the driver (Kulwiki victory lap) - pretty lame for today's crowd. I think the donuts is just showboating (although I've appreciated a couple demonstrations). This will be a tough call for NASCAR, suppressing celebrations vs preserving the integrity of the sport. I think victory lane is the place for celebrations with the team.
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Bingo.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I'm old fashioned, I liked it when the driver took the flag and circled the track so the driver could wave to the fans and the fans could see the driver (Kulwiki victory lap) - pretty lame for today's crowd. I think the donuts is just showboating (although I've appreciated a couple demonstrations). This will be a tough call for NASCAR, suppressing celebrations vs preserving the integrity of the sport. I think victory lane is the place for celebrations with the team.
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I hear ya and I agree.

I like the setup @ Martinsville. The celebration is on the start/finish line, right in front of the fans. It should be that way everywhere. We always head down from your seats to watch the celebration. The most memorable one, even though I wasn't a fan, was Jeff Gordon's last win. Well, maybe I was a fan that day. He had a great time and we had a great time watching.
 
Anyone follow NASCAR back when DW's engine blew up at the finish line when he won The Winston? Some people said he knocked it out of gear to blow it up because the motor was cheated up big time. I often wonder if teams today are hiding something when doing these massive blowouts. NASCAR is pretty careful with their post-race inspections these days.
 
I don't watch any post race stuff but I gather the problem is drivers putting the nose of the car up against the wall and doing a burnout, backing into the wall or ripping up the body with shredded tires and goodness knows what else. I hate to see the destruction of perfectly good equipment so I don't care for anything that facilitates that but maybe my thinking on that sort of thing is out of date.
 
I don't particularly care for burn-outs, but they don't keep me awake at night. The damage isn't coming out of my pocket.

On the other hand, if the car is can't be inspected properly, that should be a post-race penalty.
 
All they gotta do is throw yet another debris caution as the race winner starts the celebration burn-out and the problem's solved . . .
 
aunty dive said:
If the winners were paying the bills you'd never see it. I can assure you of that.
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What is the true cost of a massive burnout in modern Sprint Cup competition, with the way the cars are prepared for each race? The motor will be rebuilt regardless. The tires will not be used again. The bodies are completely re-done for each race, I believe. There may be some salvaging of the body parts if undamaged, but frankly I doubt it.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I'm old fashioned, I liked it when the driver took the flag and circled the track so the driver could wave to the fans and the fans could see the driver (Kulwiki victory lap) - pretty lame for today's crowd. I think the donuts is just showboating (although I've appreciated a couple demonstrations). This will be a tough call for NASCAR, suppressing celebrations vs preserving the integrity of the sport. I think victory lane is the place for celebrations with the team.
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Totally Agree the burn outs are getting old.
 
Nowadays, fans will leave disappointed without the burnout. But I think burnouts that damage the bodywork of the car should be penalized to some extent. Not to the point of a points penalty--sometimes the tire was probably just ready to blow.
 
Speaking of celebrations..... Does anyone remember when they stopped the drivers from climbing on top of the cars in victory lane? I think it was in 2001. I can't find any pics but it was a contraption that they built out of PVC pipe that they'd place on the car to prevent them from getting on top of their cars. Funny as heck.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Speaking of celebrations..... Does anyone remember when they stopped the drivers from climbing on top of the cars in victory lane? I think it was in 2001. I can't find any pics but it was a contraption that they built out of PVC pipe that they'd place on the car to prevent them from getting on top of their cars. Funny as heck.
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2001 sounds about right, it probably was related to Tony Stewart being a regular winner :D
 
29-4 said:
2001 sounds about right, it probably was related to Tony Stewart being a regular winner :D
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R Clarence said:
It was the season following Wallace winning the cup, which was of course, bogus – just straight points, and stomping the car by jumping on it from deck lid to roof to hood.
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Jump to the 3:10:33 mark of this video of Sterling Marlin's victory. That thing was so silly.



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dpkimmel2001 said:
Speaking of celebrations..... Does anyone remember when they stopped the drivers from climbing on top of the cars in victory lane? I think it was in 2001. I can't find any pics but it was a contraption that they built out of PVC pipe that they'd place on the car to prevent them from getting on top of their cars. Funny as heck.
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I think Jeremy Mayfield jumped up and down on the roof of the Penske #12 car after winning a race or two around that time frame.
 
Every time I see a driver "burn it down" with all the resulting body damage, I can't help but think they are getting rid of "evidence".

Simple rule, celebrate all you want...but the car must remain in the same condition as it was crossing the finish line. How to quantify the penalties for not preserving the car? Beats me.
 
LewTheShoe said:
What is the true cost of a massive burnout in modern Sprint Cup competition, with the way the cars are prepared for each race? The motor will be rebuilt regardless. The tires will not be used again. The bodies are completely re-done for each race, I believe. There may be some salvaging of the body parts if undamaged, but frankly I doubt it.
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Skin is repaired and re-used if possible. It's costly.
 
I don't know why drivers are afraid of getting caught in post race inspection, because until NASCAR starts taking away wins, Chase Spots, and championships, and making fines more than just pocket change for these companies , the punishment of getting caught once or twice has no real impact.
 
LewTheShoe said:
What is the true cost of a massive burnout in modern Sprint Cup competition, with the way the cars are prepared for each race? The motor will be rebuilt regardless. The tires will not be used again. The bodies are completely re-done for each race, I believe. There may be some salvaging of the body parts if undamaged, but frankly I doubt it.
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Bodies are used multiple times and repaired as needed throughout their lifespan,
 
I think it's stupid. Making a rule because of what might be happening. I wonder if NASCAR has any documented evidence that the destruction of a car during post race celebration concealed something illegal. Probably not, or they would have done something about it. Didn't care when Chad told Jimmie to crack the back either.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Jump to the 3:10:33 mark of this video of Sterling Marlin's victory. That thing was so silly.



Corrected the time.
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They did it at Martinsville to Ricky Craven too.

How times have changed. Charlotte was the only time NBC pre-empted a race, pushing it to TNT, and that was because of a war (literally). Now, networks will move these races at the blink of an eye it seems.
 
Marcingak said:
That's hilarious. When did they stop using that?
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Once they trained the drivers to stop jumping on the roof. ;)

I don't really remember how long it lasted. It was just a quick response to an ongoing trend. I think they were having issues measuring roof height with the damage being done. I think they realized quickly how ridiculous it looked and moved away from the practice.
 
The last race where a driver got to climb on the roof was the 2001 MBNA Cal Ripken, Jr. 400 @ Dover. Dale Jr. The next race, 2001 Protection One 400 @ Kansas, Jeff Gordon got the PVC pipe treatment.


Dale Jr's victory lane celebration.....


 
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Flashback to one of the early doughnut celebrations performed by Jeff Gordon much to the surprise of Bob Jenkins and BP. Rudimentary but entertaining none the less.

 
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