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@JennaFryer said:
Where was the outrage at Atlanta in 2010 when Edwards wrecked Keselowski? Or when Reutimann wrecked Kyle at Kansas to ruin his title hopes?
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@JennaFryer said:
Being parked is REALLY, REALLY serious. It's as bad as it gets. Not really sure what more should be done. Seems to be overkill at this point
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The outrage was everywhere. Elements of the media just ignored it because of their bias towards Carl. (By elements, I mean, FOX, SPEED, ESPN, NASCAR.com, The Associated Press, Sirius Radio)
 
uhhhhh, Jenna, NOBODY likes Kyle Busch and EVERYBODY cares about this...
That being said, NASCAR wimped out last year in dealing with Eddie Haskell. As inconsistent as the NASCAR rules enforcement committee is, I think they got this one right!
 
@Jim_Utter said:
WINNER RT @Melly2448: .@JennaFryer @jim_utter Truth is all KB haters want him out of the sport b/c he beats their fav driver on reg basis
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Harv, Kez and Stewart are all ahead of Kyle in points. Yep, I want Kyle to be punished for his actions because he's beating my favorite drivers "on a reg basis" :sarcasm:
 
I think it's like others have said, it's cause Kyle has a record right now he's done many stupid things by this point where Carl didn't have much or anything when he did the stupid thing he did and same with David. If this was Kyle's first time doing anything I doubt he had been parked but the fact he's done crap like this time and time again and has done so much just this season Nascar is like we got to do something so they parked him.
 
I think that the title of this thread would have been better titled 'Some of the NASCAR media asks where outrage was when Carl wrecked Kez...'

There was quite a bit of outrage then by media and fans alike. Not all, but most.
 
Blaze88 said:
I think it's like others have said, it's cause Kyle has a record right now he's done many stupid things by this point where Carl didn't have much or anything when he did the stupid thing he did and same with David. If this was Kyle's first time doing anything I doubt he had been parked but the fact he's done crap like this time and time again and has done so much just this season Nascar is like we got to do something so they parked him.
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The fact is, the media is taking a position. They're totally ignoring the facts. "FOX News journalism".

FACT: There was no way to gauge fans' feelings on Stewart not being suspended in 2002. Twitter and blogs (generally) didn't exist back then.

FACT: Fans wanted Edwards' head for what he did to Keselowski, TWICE.

While they're correct in saying that Edwards was not suspended, nor was Stewart, saying fans weren't outraged when Edwards turned Kez at Atlanta is bull****. Those two need to go work for FOX.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The fact is, the media is taking a position. They're totally ignoring the facts. "FOX News journalism".

FACT: There was no way to gauge fans' feelings on Stewart not being suspended in 2002. Twitter and blogs (generally) didn't exist back then.

FACT: Fans wanted Edwards' head for what he did to Keselowski, TWICE.

While they're correct in saying that Edwards was not suspended, nor was Stewart, saying fans weren't outraged when Edwards turned Kez at Atlanta is bull****. Those two need to go work for FOX.
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Well that's true haha I just wanted to point out why cause I never gotten a chance yet.
 
Blaze88 said:
Well that's true haha I just wanted to point out why cause I never gotten a chance yet.
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Carl damn well should've been suspended -- at the least, for the second incident. What Carl did to Kez was worse than what Kyle did to Hornaday.
 
WOW Jenna, untwist yer panties will ya? You're cutting off the blood supply to your brain.

Maybe the fact that unlike the other examples given this was done under the yellow?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Carl damn well should've been suspended -- at the least, for the second incident. What Carl did to Kez was worse than what Kyle did to Hornaday.
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Yes I agree he should have, but I was stating Nascar didn't do it because he didn't have as bad of a record. Kyle's record is probably the worst right now of anyone in Nascar.
 
Blaze88 said:
Yes I agree he should have, but I was stating Nascar didn't do it because he didn't have as bad of a record. Kyle's record is probably the worst right now of anyone in Nascar.
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Carl has a history as well. NASCAR and the media ignore it.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Carl has a history as well. NASCAR and the media ignore it.
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NOW yes at this point he didn't have much of one if anything and now Carl seems to be becoming a better person and isn't as ****y as he was once before. Lets hope he sticks to being that way but I agree he should have been parked after what he did to Brad but like I said Nascar probably saw Carl hadn't done much at this point yet so they let it slide.
 
Blaze88 said:
NOW yes at this point he didn't have much of one if anything and now Carl seems to be becoming a better person and isn't as ****y as he was once before. Lets hope he sticks to being that way but I agree he should have been parked after what he did to Brad but like I said Nascar probably saw Carl hadn't done much at this point yet so they let it slide.
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Michigan 2006, he almost took off Junyer's win post race. Pocono, wrecked someone in the pits one year. Bristol 2008 vs. Kyle Busch.

Not to mention Carl's two counts of attempted murder/vehicular manslaughter against Kez.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Michigan 2006, he almost took off Junyer's win post race. Pocono, wrecked someone in the pits one year. Bristol 2008 vs. Kyle Busch.

Not to mention Carl's two counts of attempted murder/vehicular manslaughter against Kez.
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So by the time he gotten to what he did to Kez...he only had 3 things he's done? Kyle's had more then 3 things just this season. Andy I don't think you're getting what I'm saying okay.

LOOK at what Carl had done by the time he did what he did to Brad. Only 3 things right? Probably so far spread out its like this is a rare thing for Carl.

Kyle has had a lot of crap the last 2-3 years, so much crap I can't even recall it all. Nascar was like okay he keeps doing stupid crap and what we're doing isn't helping. It's like when you punish a kid after a whipping so many times(Which we'll use as probation) you got to put him in time out(parked)

Carl only had gotten in a trouble a few times by this point and so far spread out.

Kyle had gotten in trouble a lot just did year and last and the year before.
 
Blaze88 said:
So by the time he gotten to what he did to Kez...he only had 3 things he's done? Kyle's had more then 3 things just this season. Andy I don't think you're getting what I'm saying okay.

LOOK at what Carl had done by the time he did what he did to Brad. Only 3 things right? Probably so far spread out its like this is a rare thing for Carl.

Kyle has had a lot of crap the last 2-3 years, so much crap I can't even recall it all. Nascar was like okay he keeps doing stupid crap and what we're doing isn't helping. It's like when you punish a kid after a whipping so many times(Which we'll use as probation) you got to put him in time out(parked)

Carl only had gotten in a trouble a few times by this point and so far spread out.

Kyle had gotten in trouble a lot just did year and last and the year before.
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The Kyle Busch horse is dead... been dead. This is a response to Jenna Fryer's incredibly inane statement.
 
Blaze88 said:
Again I know but I was just also saying why Carl wasn't, he should have been but this is why he wasn't. Now do you understand?
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I don't understand it and I disagree. It's NASCAR favoritism. The second count of attempted murder, Carl got put on probation, but Brad was also put on probation for no reason (so he couldn't retaliate against Carl).
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I don't understand it and I disagree. It's NASCAR favoritism. The second count of attempted murder, Carl got put on probation, but Brad was also put on probation for no reason (so he couldn't retaliate against Carl).
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Where I do agree sometimes Nascar plays favorites(robby gordon would get parked faster and I think was) but it's still the fact Carl didn't have much of a record at the time. Had someone who doesn't have much of a record did what Kyle did Friday night they wouldn't have been parked cause they don't act that way a lot. It's wrong yes, Carl would have been parked/suspended whatever yes, The fans were saying that yes, BUT it's nothing to do with favoritism, I mean just the other night you was saying Kyle is Nascar's golden boy and how they won't ever do anything to him now you're making it seem like that's Carl, whats next after something happens to Carl?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Michigan 2006, he almost took off Junyer's win post race. Pocono, wrecked someone in the pits one year. Bristol 2008 vs. Kyle Busch.

Not to mention Carl's two counts of attempted murder/vehicular manslaughter against Kez.
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Lets not forget he also turned Keselowski in front of the field at Daytona, wrecking a bunch of cars and putting Jr on his roof. Anyone who believes Carl misjudged the length of his car by a foot isn't being realistic. He also rammed Kurt Busch into the wall TWICE after the checker flag at Daytona and knocked his wheel off. He also rammed Denny Hamlin and got him sideways, then rammed him again just as Denny got it straightened out and spun him. That was right after Gateway, and I always felt it was payback for Denny criticizing Carl's actions. All of that was just last year. A few years back, Carl wrecked Kyle Petty and their second car in one race. Drove them both into the wall. He also ran his teammate, Matt Kenseth, into the wall in another race. When Matt bumped him back and spun him, Carl tried to punch him in the face after the race. He also spun Stewart on pit road and attacked Harvick in the garage area. He even tried to wreck his teammate Stenhouse earlier this year.

Carl has gotten away with way more than anyone else since Sr was around.
 
FenderBumper said:
Lets not forget he also turned Keselowski in front of the field at Daytona, wrecking a bunch of cars and putting Jr on his roof. Anyone who believes Carl misjudged the length of his car by a foot isn't being realistic. He also rammed Kurt Busch into the wall TWICE after the checker flag at Daytona and knocked his wheel off. He also rammed Denny Hamlin and got him sideways, then rammed him again just as Denny got it straightened out and spun him. That was right after Gateway, and I always felt it was payback for Denny criticizing Carl's actions. All of that was just last year. A few years back, Carl wrecked Kyle Petty and their second car in one race. Drove them both into the wall. He also ran his teammate, Matt Kenseth, into the wall in another race. When Matt bumped him back and spun him, Carl tried to punch him in the face after the race. He also spun Stewart on pit road and attacked Harvick in the garage area. He even tried to wreck his teammate Stenhouse earlier this year.

Carl has gotten away with way more than anyone else since Sr was around.
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This is not a fair comparrison because Carls issues were caused by steroids. Kyle is just an azzhole. :D
 
Drivers have been taking out other drivers in NASCAR for as long as the sport has existed. Almost everyone's "favorite" drivers have been guilty. It's part of the sport.

But I don't think there has ever been a case where a driver who isn't even in the points race pile drives another race vehicle into the wall under a caution. Not to mention that driver WAS in contention for the Championship.

How about the TV commentators that were/are drivers... Rusty, Dale Jarrett, Kyle Petty, Kenny Wallace, JIMMY SPENCER, how many other cars have those guys wrecked over the years? LOTS.

And lets not forget my favorite driver of all time, The Intimidator. He got that nickname for a reason.

To single out Carl is just silly. And I'm not a fan of Carl.
 
KingGlamis said:
To single out Carl is just silly. And I'm not a fan of Carl.
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Carl's record of wrecking people is EXACTLY why he gets singled out.

Feel free to pick out some other active driver and see how they stack up to Carl's record.
 
Smoke14 said:
This is not a fair comparrison because Carls issues were caused by steroids. Kyle is just an azzhole. :D
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True on both counts. Comparing pics of Carl before steroid testing and now tell the whole story. He lost 15 lbs of muscle in one year.
 
FenderBumper said:
I LOVE Jenna? You're misinformed yet again. I did notice that she thinks that being parked is the same as a suspension.
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I was in total awe when she asked where the outrage was when Carl completed his first count of attempted homicide against Keselowski. Does she live under a rock? :confused:

BTW, you might want to get your sarcas-o-meter re-calibrated.
 
Since when is Jenna "who" Fryer a member of the NASCAR media? She is but one person that blabs opinions like the rest of the people who own a computer. She is NOT part of the NASCAR media. That's about as dumb as saying AndyMarquislive is a part of the NASCAR media.
 
KingGlamis said:
Since when is Jenna "who" Fryer a member of the NASCAR media? She is but one person that blabs opinions like the rest of the people who own a computer. She is NOT part of the NASCAR media. That's about as dumb as saying AndyMarquislive is a part of the NASCAR media.
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Jenna Fryer covers NASCAR for The Associated Press ... you know, THE source of record on this planet. :owquitit:
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Jenna Fryer covers NASCAR for The Associated Press ... you know, THE source of record on this planet. :owquitit:
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Saying the AP is a NASCAR source is about as stupid as saying Kyle was justified in his actions against Hornaday. Guess what Andy, the AP has absolutely ZERO credibility with most NASCAR fans. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
KingGlamis said:
Saying the AP is a NASCAR source is about as stupid as saying Kyle was justified in his actions against Hornaday. Guess what Andy, the AP has absolutely ZERO credibility with most NASCAR fans. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Really? The AP has no credibility?

Which newspaper do you read in the morning? What website do you get your NASCAR news from?
 
I think some of the difference could have been, some fans thought Kez had it coming to some degree. What happened went just too far. I don't think even Carl thought he'd send him over-end like he did. (ok maybe he did, but i tend to think it turned out worse and made him look like mud...which he didn't want to happen.)

Didn't Brad send Carl flying first at Dega? He probably didn't know holding his line would do that and technically, he didn't do anything wrong, but it was a scary, nasty crash involving fans and other drivers. I also heard there was talk in the garage that others thought Kez was owed by many just last year . Thing is, Kez turned me off bigtime with his driving style and his arrogant attitude. He came off too strong as a rookie for me. I know that's my opinion and many don't agree. That's fine. That being said, I do think Carl should have been parked. What happened with him was far worse than Robby Gordon ignoring a black flag. I thought that was stupid at the time it happened.

I have to say through the years I have seen Kyle do incident after incident. I think it's ridiculous of his supporters to make it sound like this was his first mistake. Give me a break. And to think, I was actually starting to like Kyle a bit this year! I actually rooted for him to win a time or maybe 2...ok, maybe one! lol He didn't do himself any favors with what he said to the press after it happened either. Speaking of a Busch, a couple of years ago Kurt was in "fine form" himself when he was tussling with Tony Stewart. When he turned into Tony's pit crew and just about ran them over, many of us thought he should have been parked right then before he killed someone. He seems to be having a bit of a relapse this year. Nothing as bad, but how many times do you see a wreck and the 22 is in the picture? Lots.

So do I agree with Jenna and Utter? NO WAY! Utter can be cool and then he can act like a little ole bitty. Far more often than I've seen Jenna say anything. Sometimes I think he just likes to take the opposite opinion of everyone else.

The end. ;)
 
Kyle Busch incident I think was necisary for suspension. Fact is Edwards and Kez both were running in the same series full time. Kyle Busch on the other hand was not running in the truck series full time so he was just out for wins and he purposly wrecked a guy in the middle of a title hunt in that series. Also the incident was under caution which if it was a green flag situation they could just called it on hard racing. But when it is under caution it is a deliberate act just to screw someone who in this case was competing for a championship.
 
VaDirt said:
Andy calling a horse dead. That's a hoot.:rolleyes:
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Didn't this horse die a while back too? I swear my daughter was just using glue from this horse for a class project. :D

I think that most everyone agreed @ the time, other than NASCAR, that Carl should have been parked. He wasn't. I think that most everyone agreed this time, including NASCAR, that Kyle should be parked. He was. Times change. Perhaps a new precedent has been set?
 
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