NASCAR reallocating prize money

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Just another case of NASCAR FINALLY taking my advice. I'm still waiting for them to remove those rear windows to help eliminate aero push..

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- NASCAR will reallocate prize money from the last five spots in the field this season in an attempt to make it less profitable for teams to start and park.

"We moved prize money higher in the purse, so if someone's intent is solely to run a lap or two and park, the revenue stream shrinks,'' NASCAR president Mike Helton said Tuesday during an "Autoweek" panel discussion in Detroit.

According to NASCAR, each position from 43rd through 39th will receive $4,000 less for each position. For example, 39th will receive $4,000 less than 38th, 40th $4,000 less than 39th, etc.

NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp emphasized this is not a reduction in purses, that the overall prize money in 2013 will increase slightly. He said the money taken away from the last five spots will be redistributed "throughout the remainder of the field.''

"We want to produce an exciting and competitive racing atmosphere for our teams and our fans, and we think the revised distribution provides a better balance,'' Tharp said.

The move comes two weeks after Speedway Motorsports Inc. chairman Bruton Smith and Texas Motor Speedway president Eddie Gossage called start-and-park teams a disgrace to the sport.

"It's a joke,'' Smith said during the Sprint Media Tour. "It's a joke for the race fans.''

Gossage said the redistribution is a good first step, but it doesn't totally address the problem.

"That does not close the loophole,'' he said. "They're [NASCAR] trying to have their cake and eat it, too. This doesn't fix it. It does a little bit, but it doesn't fix it.

"Will we still see start-and-park teams? Yeah. They're making a bunch of money.''

Gossage said start-and-park Sprint Cup teams received more than $600,000 at TMS and approximately $17 million during the 36-race schedule in 2012.

"We're very generous,'' he said sarcastically.

Team owner Tommy Baldwin, who financed the start of his own Cup operation in 2009 through starting and parking, said NASCAR began discussing the reallocation of the purses to teams late last season.

He said it was not a reaction to Smith and Gossage calling for a change.

"He's kind of like one of those mad politicians who gets pieces of paper handed to him before he speaks,'' Baldwin said of Smith. "He has no idea what he's talking about.''

Baldwin said he wouldn't be in position to run full time for as many races as he does now had it not been for start-and-park money. He also does not blame NASCAR for trying to encourage teams to run longer and compete.

"NASCAR is taking the right steps,'' he said. "They did a really good job [with this]. They talked to us about the situation, what their plan was and why they're doing it.

"At the end of the day, it makes sense what they're doing.''

Helton said during the panel discussion that while it is "irritating'' that teams have been allowed to take advantage of the rules for financial gain, he supports teams trying to move into NASCAR's premier series.
 
They need to just get rid of start and park. Put a rule in place that says if you start a race and don't run 25-50 laps, you don't get any purse money or you can't start the next 5-10 races or something. Obviously, wrecks or mechanical failure would cause you to be exempt. But, I guess this is a good start to slowing them down.
 
I like this,couse it kinda hurts easy moneyers n helps the goog guys.
 
Just another case of NASCAR FINALLY taking my advice. I'm still waiting for them to remove those rear windows to help eliminate aero push..

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- NASCAR will reallocate prize money from the last five spots in the field this season in an attempt to make it less profitable for teams to start and park.

"We moved prize money higher in the purse, so if someone's intent is solely to run a lap or two and park, the revenue stream shrinks,'' NASCAR president Mike Helton said Tuesday during an "Autoweek" panel discussion in Detroit.

According to NASCAR, each position from 43rd through 39th will receive $4,000 less for each position. For example, 39th will receive $4,000 less than 38th, 40th $4,000 less than 39th, etc.

NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp emphasized this is not a reduction in purses, that the overall prize money in 2013 will increase slightly. He said the money taken away from the last five spots will be redistributed "throughout the remainder of the field.''

"We want to produce an exciting and competitive racing atmosphere for our teams and our fans, and we think the revised distribution provides a better balance,'' Tharp said.

The move comes two weeks after Speedway Motorsports Inc. chairman Bruton Smith and Texas Motor Speedway president Eddie Gossage called start-and-park teams a disgrace to the sport.

"It's a joke,'' Smith said during the Sprint Media Tour. "It's a joke for the race fans.''

Gossage said the redistribution is a good first step, but it doesn't totally address the problem.

"That does not close the loophole,'' he said. "They're [NASCAR] trying to have their cake and eat it, too. This doesn't fix it. It does a little bit, but it doesn't fix it.

"Will we still see start-and-park teams? Yeah. They're making a bunch of money.''

Gossage said start-and-park Sprint Cup teams received more than $600,000 at TMS and approximately $17 million during the 36-race schedule in 2012.

"We're very generous,'' he said sarcastically.

Team owner Tommy Baldwin, who financed the start of his own Cup operation in 2009 through starting and parking, said NASCAR began discussing the reallocation of the purses to teams late last season.

He said it was not a reaction to Smith and Gossage calling for a change.

"He's kind of like one of those mad politicians who gets pieces of paper handed to him before he speaks,'' Baldwin said of Smith. "He has no idea what he's talking about.''

Baldwin said he wouldn't be in position to run full time for as many races as he does now had it not been for start-and-park money. He also does not blame NASCAR for trying to encourage teams to run longer and compete.

"NASCAR is taking the right steps,'' he said. "They did a really good job [with this]. They talked to us about the situation, what their plan was and why they're doing it.

"At the end of the day, it makes sense what they're doing.''

Helton said during the panel discussion that while it is "irritating'' that teams have been allowed to take advantage of the rules for financial gain, he supports teams trying to move into NASCAR's premier series.

Brian finally started listening to your pillow talk, huh?
 
I'd feel differently if competitive cars were going home, but they're not. Other than three or four marquee events, most races only have 44 to 46 cars showing up. The only cars packing up after qualifying are other S&P teams. If S&P is the route that can get teams a sponsor and into the semi-competitive ranks (see Baldwin, Blaney, and Golden Corral), who are they hurting?

If NASCAR really thinks S&P is a problem, the solution isn't to rearrange the purses. It's to accept there are only 36 or 38 competitive teams at the moment, and cut the field size accordingly. (Ditto the N'wide down to 36 and the Trucks down to 32 or 30.) That would be my preferred solution, -IF- I thought this was a problem, which I don't.
 
I'd feel differently if competitive cars were going home, but they're not. Other than three or four marquee events, most races only have 44 to 46 cars showing up. The only cars packing up after qualifying are other S&P teams. If S&P is the route that can get teams a sponsor and into the semi-competitive ranks (see Baldwin, Blaney, and Golden Corral), who are they hurting?

If NASCAR really thinks S&P is a problem, the solution isn't to rearrange the purses. It's to accept there are only 36 or 38 competitive teams at the moment, and cut the field size accordingly. (Ditto the N'wide down to 36 and the Trucks down to 32 or 30.) That would be my preferred solution, -IF- I thought this was a problem, which I don't.
you mean pay to these places?
 
I guess Nascar feels that the Hendrick teams need more money.
 
S&P started to get out of hand. Teams that had no intention of building a cup organization would go out and collect a check.
 
Taking out the rear window would create a vacuum effect and increase aero-push. Physics 101.
 
Joe Nemechek is a cup start and park. The money he makes from cup funds a full time Nationwide team.

This new rule could have a serious trickle down effect.
 
Joe Nemechek is a cup start and park. The money he makes from cup funds a full time Nationwide team.

This new rule could have a serious trickle down effect.
Joe's taking money that cup teams need!
 
Joe Nemechek is a cup start and park. The money he makes from cup funds a full time Nationwide team.

This new rule could have a serious trickle down effect.

I guess he should have done more to make more money in his 15-20 years in Sprint Cup. He had what, one top 10 in the Nationwide Series last year? He won't be missed there either.
 
I guess he should have done more to make more money in his 15-20 years in Sprint Cup. He had what, one top 10 in the Nationwide Series last year? He won't be missed there either.

Tough crowd here. Joe finished 11th in the Nationwide series.
 
To me this looks like nothing more than a rule change to try to alleviate some of the S&P complainers. I'm not seeing a whole heckuva lot of difference here. Granted finishing 43rd will yield a team a payout of $20,000 less than 38th spot. I don't know what the payouts are to be for 2013 yet but it's easy enough to see what they were for 2012. Just looking at the 43rd finishing position here's what it would mean according to last years payouts.

The Daytona 500 had the largest payout in prize money. 38th position earned $281,715. 43rd would have received $261,000 according to the release. Is that enough of a decrease for them not to make the trip to Daytona? By the way, the actual payout for 43rd was $267,637 in 2012.

Watkins Glen had the smallest payout in prize money of $64,853 for 38th position. 43rd would receive $44,853 under the new rule. Is that enough to stay home? Actual payout for 43rd was $61,930 in 2012.

So, the low end in that example was a paltry payout of $44,853. If I were a S&P I'd still make the trip. I'd probably have to lay off a team member or two for the season due to this change but I'll still be at the track. I'll have more reason than ever not to run more laps than necessary but I'll still be there.

I'm just not seeing a huge difference under the new rules vs. what we had.

Problem solved, right? :confused:
 
Maybe now we can stop worrying about the last place cars . It's not like we care anyway , it's just that Kyle and Kurt haven't yelled at anybody yet.
 
Taking out the rear window would create a vacuum effect and increase aero-push. Physics 101.

lol That's funny. Carl vacuumed his way to a win by lifting the cooler cover and releasing air from the green house to create more downforce.

Air flows in the side windows and gets trapped by the rear window, creating a lifting effect. Physics 102. Removing the rear window would reduce the need for spoiler downforce and allow that air to flow more freely to the following car, giving that car more air to maintain front end downforce and lessen the advantage of the leading car.
 
To me this looks like nothing more than a rule change to try to alleviate some of the S&P complainers.

I definitely agree that it won't make a whole lot of difference, but I do think that this is just a start. I believe they will do something else if this doesn't slow down the S&P's to some degree.
 
Let's all keep in mind that the 40th and 42nd place cars in last years Daytona 500 ,were Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson. When you give some individual the power to decide who is a S&P and who isn't , mistakes will be made .
 
This basically boils down to them distributing $20,000 among 38 teams. About $526/team. o_O
That is the problem that I have with this insanity. It takes away a test session or a salary for a small team , it's just beer money for the big teams . All this because some fans are worried about a 43rd place car . Twenty years ago , that was 3/4 of the field.
 
Actually ,someone should go back ten or fifteen years and look up some of the tirades that Felix Sabates used to rant about the bulk of the prize money being paid to the heavily sponsored front half of the field when the back half of the field barely got expenses covered . Like everywhere else ,the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
 
Let's all keep in mind that the 40th and 42nd place cars in last years Daytona 500 ,were Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson. When you give some individual the power to decide who is a S&P and who isn't , mistakes will be made .

This is why the move is simple posturing by nascar. Simple rules like having a full pit crew at the track and averaging 50% of laps completed after your 5th start would curtail the practice. Any prizes money that is forfeit would be reallocated to the other competitiors.

Now we'll see a race within a race. The 7 or 8 S&P's will come back out to move into the money late in the race, or they will just stay home and we'll have short fields. I would prefer a formula like I mentioned because it would make them do more for that cash and propbably get rid of the sponges just making a living as an S&P.
 
Actually ,someone should go back ten or fifteen years and look up some of the tirades that Felix Sabates used to rant about the bulk of the prize money being paid to the heavily sponsored front half of the field when the back half of the field barely got expenses covered . Like everywhere else ,the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

60% to the tracks is the real problem. 40-40-20, with nascar and tracks sharing adveriser and track or series sponsor money a bit more. Rewriting that Goodyear contract to get unsponsored teams 4 free sets would help the sport maintain a full starting field.
 
Simple rules like having a full pit crew at the track and averaging 50% of laps completed after your 5th start would curtail the practice. Any prizes money that is forfeit would be reallocated to the other competitiors.

I never thought about that. That's an interesting idea as well. I like it!
 
No that's not it although it hurt's at times, it's just that sometimes I think we try to make things into problems that actually aren't. We just get too much time on our hands. Like I've said before, it's okay if we don't agree, I can't force you to be right too.

Especially when you keep dozing off. ;)
 
No matter what they do there will always be bottom feeders trying to make a buck.

I don't pay attention to the S&Ps except during qualifying. I like to pick a lesser team to follow during the season but it is very hard to follow them during a race.
 
Let's all keep in mind that the 40th and 42nd place cars in last years Daytona 500 ,were Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson. When you give some individual the power to decide who is a S&P and who isn't , mistakes will be made .

:confused:.................thx,now my head hurts.
 
Air flows in the side windows and gets trapped by the rear window, creating a lifting effect. Physics 102. Removing the rear window would reduce the need for spoiler downforce and allow that air to flow more freely to the following car, giving that car more air to maintain front end downforce and lessen the advantage of the leading car.

Physics 103 - If (or when) a car gets turned backwards at 175 mph, the rear window (along with the roof flaps) creates downforce which helps to keep the car from going airborne. If the rear window was not there, the roof would act as a lift, turning the car into an uncontrolled missle.
 
I like NASCAR is at least doing this. I'd like to see the field cut to 33-35 cars though to eliminate them completely. S&P's aren't racing and are insult to the sport and guys like James Finch who want to compete and race.

Physics 104.....what goes up must come down.....I see we've all landed safely:p
 
I don't see where people are acting like that at all.

They're having a civilized discussion on a rule change. A rule change made by NASCAR, btw, not the fans.
 
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