NASCAR stars rage over repaves

Funny, I really like the new Kansas. Restarts are great, and there are lots of them with the new slick surface. I can understand why drivers dont like it though.
 
These guys signed up to drive in NASCAR to drive 850hp thumpers on 4 slick tires, of course you're going to lose traction at the blip of the throttle, use your skills boys (*cough* and girls).

Kansas isn't a restrictor plate track is it? I wonder if they added that rule the outcome might be a tad different?
 
There isn't enough abrasiveness on the new asphalt to lay down rubber, and that keeps cars from sticking in the corners. The result is a single-file parade rather than the passing that makes races exciting

This is really the problem with repaves.
 
I see it different, and it's been noted by some drivers and team personnel. The new pavement provides TOO MUCH grip that grates the tires down. Goodyear then has to make a harder compound to prevent tire failures. It's these hard compounds that simply dust the track with 'rubber' rather than stick to the surface. When a caution comes out, the hot tires lift this false layer of 'rubbered in' material, and the track is back to where it was when the race started. So we never see a second groove come in, and it's single file, aero push racing all day.

The slower and lighter late models at Martinsville were able to run on softer Hoosier tires. A true second groove came in, and guys were racing side by side all the way around the track long after the green flag waved. You just don't see that second groove ever come in when the cup cars are racing on those hard tires, and Martinsville isn't a repaved track. It's a slower track, but the weight of the cars dictate a thicker sidewall, which causes over heating and tire failures. That's why the compound is so hard and never truly rubbers into the track. to have these problems at a short track just shows what an impossible position Goodyear is in. The only way to make these heavy cars work is to bring a larger diameter tire, and perhaps even wider than they are.

The biggest problem isn't repaves, which could be made slightly better by using more aggregate (slippery stones) in the mix. These problem can't be fixed until nascar goes to a lighter and slower car. This will allow Goodyear to bring a softer tire that actually rubbers into the track, rather than laying on top.
 
Would a rougher aggregate work better or would it be to abrasive for the tires ??
 
I see it different, and it's been noted by some drivers and team personnel. The new pavement provides TOO MUCH grip that grates the tires down. Goodyear then has to make a harder compound to prevent tire failures. It's these hard compounds that simply dust the track with 'rubber' rather than stick to the surface. When a caution comes out, the hot tires lift this false layer of 'rubbered in' material, and the track is back to where it was when the race started. So we never see a second groove come in, and it's single file, aero push racing all day.

The slower and lighter late models at Martinsville were able to run on softer Hoosier tires. A true second groove came in, and guys were racing side by side all the way around the track long after the green flag waved. You just don't see that second groove ever come in when the cup cars are racing on those hard tires, and Martinsville isn't a repaved track. It's a slower track, but the weight of the cars dictate a thicker sidewall, which causes over heating and tire failures. That's why the compound is so hard and never truly rubbers into the track. to have these problems at a short track just shows what an impossible position Goodyear is in. The only way to make these heavy cars work is to bring a larger diameter tire, and perhaps even wider than they are.

The biggest problem isn't repaves, which could be made slightly better by using more aggregate (slippery stones) in the mix. These problem can't be fixed until nascar goes to a lighter and slower car. This will allow Goodyear to bring a softer tire that actually rubbers into the track, rather than laying on top.
I watched both the Arca, and the Nationwide at Kansas and neither series were complaining about the lack of grip. They had a different tire, but they were also running slower. I think the Acra's used only two sets of tires, maybe three sets, but there weren't the spin problems that the Cup drivers were having. they and the Nationwides were driving harder, with closer racing and multi grove racing.
 
Would a rougher aggregate work better or would it be to abrasive for the tires ??

The idea is less grip, slower cars and better tires. The faster the cars are, and they are very fast on these grippy repaves, the thicker Goodyear needs to make the sidewall to keep the tires on the car at those speeds. That thicker sidewall causes the tires to overheat, so a harder compound is used for the tire surface. I read that making the compound harder causes the tire to hold more heat because it doesn't give up rubber.

These cars are too heavy and too fast for ANY racey tire.
 
The idea is less grip, slower cars and better tires. The faster the cars are, and they are very fast on these grippy repaves, the thicker Goodyear needs to make the sidewall to keep the tires on the car at those speeds. That thicker sidewall causes the tires to overheat, so a harder compound is used for the tire surface. I read that making the compound harder causes the tire to hold more heat because it doesn't give up rubber.

These cars are too heavy and too fast for ANY racey tire.

I also have heard that a tire sheds a lot of heat due to wear. Makes sense I guess. Shedding weight off the current car might get real expensive but losing 100 hp or so might make things a bit easier on the tires.
 
I also have heard that a tire sheds a lot of heat due to wear. Makes sense I guess. Shedding weight off the current car might get real expensive but losing 100 hp or so might make things a bit easier on the tires.

Or take off the splitter and spoiler and they will slow down plenty. Once they slow down, they would be safer if they were lighter. Lets face it, no cage will survive a direct door hit from a 3,450 lb car going 150mph, but it may survive a 3,000 lb car.
 
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