NASCAR To Test 2015 Rule Proposals

A little side track, how much longer do you think a V-8 will be available to us in a production car?
Even considering the weight difference my wife's 4 banger '13 Fusion kicks the snot out of the 3800 series 2 in the '98 Bonneville. And does it while getting better gas mileage too.
 
Perhaps NASCAR intends to reduce horsepower by this method:

Kitten found in car engine in Virginia
The Associated Press
© July 16, 2014

DISPUTANTA

A 5-week-old kitten that curled up inside the car engine of a family on vacation in North Carolina and traveled more than 200 miles will be put up for adoption in Virginia.

The Prince George County animal shelter says in a release that a couple from Walton, New York, heard a noise coming from their engine when they stopped for gas earlier this month along Interstate 95.

The kitten, nicknamed Carolina, was unharmed and taken to the animal shelter, where she will be put up for adoption on July 22.
 
wanna see slow? wanna hear something that sounds not so good? 6 cylinder Busch cars at Talladega. In car at 14:55 gives you the sound inside. Noooo Thanks.

 
StandOnIt said:
yeah Jack Roush let the cat out of the bag months ago, said they were "probably" going to restrict the intake side if they did anything. they want to use a plate or a spacer instead of programming the injection in order to keep from running too lean a mixture and frying the engine. bunch of B.S., teams will have to completely change out every moving part to gain an advantage. Less horsepower and torque and you can make everything lighter $$$$
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Damn good point on lightening everything up with the reduction.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I can't wait until every race is New Hampshire in 2000.
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As though most of the races aren't that already.

Not sure what will be tested - I suspect a tapered spacer.

The reality is NASCAR needs a lot more than that - it needs to reappraise the horsepower and also the use of radial tires.
 
StandOnIt said:
wanna see slow? wanna hear something that sounds not so good? 6 cylinder Busch cars at Talladega. In car at 14:55 gives you the sound inside. Noooo Thanks.

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They abandoned V6s after 1994 because they found out they could never be reliable.
 
What NASCAR needs for rule proposals -

Go back to bias ply tires.
Run the engine spacer.
Make the rear spoiler the same size for all tracks and make it out of clear-vu material like local Late Models run, so drivers can see out the spoiler through the lead car's windshield.
Run the roof blade for all tracks, to make the draft work again.
 
MIchael Daly said:
As though most of the races aren't that already.

Not sure what will be tested - I suspect a tapered spacer.

The reality is NASCAR needs a lot more than that - it needs to reappraise the horsepower and also the use of radial tires.
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Less downforce. Drivers like Edwards and Johnson have been asking for this for a while. Carl said when he talks to NASCAR about less downforce all he gets are eye rolls.
 
Bobw said:
A little side track, how much longer do you think a V-8 will be available to us in a production car?
Even considering the weight difference my wife's 4 banger '13 Fusion kicks the snot out of the 3800 series 2 in the '98 Bonneville. And does it while getting better gas mileage too.
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Some people can't see the forest through the trees.
 
Bobw said:
A little side track, how much longer do you think a V-8 will be available to us in a production car?
Even considering the weight difference my wife's 4 banger '13 Fusion kicks the snot out of the 3800 series 2 in the '98 Bonneville. And does it while getting better gas mileage too.
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Probably not much longer. I think soon V8 engines will only be available in high end supercars and heavy duty pick up trucks/vans for construction and towing use.
 
MIchael Daly said:
What NASCAR needs for rule proposals -

Go back to bias ply tires.
Run the engine spacer.
Make the rear spoiler the same size for all tracks and make it out of clear-vu material like local Late Models run, so drivers can see out the spoiler through the lead car's windshield.
Run the roof blade for all tracks, to make the draft work again.
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Great ideas!

Step #5, train chimpanzees to drive in NASCAR, save money on driver salaries.
 
Bias ply tires are gone forever just like buggy whips. Go to the 5.0L 302 ci motor. We went from big block 426-7-8-9's and survived. Lexan spoilers may be a good idea. I think it was Sr who commented on the roof blade being another brilliant idea from nascar.:sarcasm:
 
Bobw said:
A little side track, how much longer do you think a V-8 will be available to us in a production car?
Even considering the weight difference my wife's 4 banger '13 Fusion kicks the snot out of the 3800 series 2 in the '98 Bonneville. And does it while getting better gas mileage too.
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I don't think you'll ever see the V-8 disappear completely, but they're not as necessary as they used to be. Some of today's 4-cylinders produce more horsepower than the V-8's from 20-30 years ago did. And get much better mileage while doing so. I guess sometimes there is a replacement for displacement.
 
R Clarence said:
Perhaps NASCAR intends to reduce horsepower by this method:

Kitten found in car engine in Virginia
The Associated Press
© July 16, 2014

DISPUTANTA

A 5-week-old kitten that curled up inside the car engine of a family on vacation in North Carolina and traveled more than 200 miles will be put up for adoption in Virginia.

The Prince George County animal shelter says in a release that a couple from Walton, New York, heard a noise coming from their engine when they stopped for gas earlier this month along Interstate 95.

The kitten, nicknamed Carolina, was unharmed and taken to the animal shelter, where she will be put up for adoption on July 22.
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Gotta be kitten me right meow... must be an awfully pawpular feline
 
MIchael Daly said:
They abandoned V6s after 1994 because they found out they could never be reliable.
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It was an experiment they tried that didn't work. The racing sucked. Now they only have pressure from tree huggers to run a 6, so who knows. Good ol uncle sugar is involved in the passenger car biz, by 2025, govt requirements will be for a 54 MPG ( the petro people will just raise the price of fuel...duh) car so they will probably be racing with rubber bands by then. Hopefully the government will stay out of the racing sport, but who knows every year there is more government it seems.
 
StandOnIt said:
It was an experiment they tried that didn't work. The racing sucked. Now they only have pressure from tree huggers to run a 6, so who knows. Good ol uncle sugar is involved in the passenger car biz, by 2025, govt requirements will be for a 54 MPG ( the petro people will just raise the price of fuel...duh) car so they will probably be racing with rubber bands by then. Hopefully the government will stay out of the racing sport, but who knows every year there is more government it seems.
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off topic
as mpg incr.....guv gets less tax $$ on gas......
already an issue w/ fed road $$ they have ta spend.
 
I was of the understanding that reducing horsepower was another way to reduce the speeds of the new Gen 6 cars. Look at how many track records have been set since the introduction of the Gen 6. Speeds are getting really high at some places and at least should be of some concern to NASCAR and teams.
 
What happened to trying to make the cars FASTER? This is RACING. That's kind of the point.

I'm also one who's clueless on how this will make the racing better.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
What happened to trying to make the cars FASTER? This is RACING. That's kind of the point.

I'm also one who's clueless on how this will make the racing better.
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As the cars get faster, the car in front punches a bigger hole in the air. The car behind needs more and more horsepower to pass. Like 3wide, said, the Gen6 car has practically set new track records at every track NASCAR races, yet everybody bitches about how 'boring' the races are.
 
StandOnIt said:
It was an experiment they tried that didn't work. The racing sucked. Now they only have pressure from tree huggers to run a 6, so who knows.
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Post ANY proof that any "tree huggers" have suggested anything about anybody running a V6 in any racing, anywhere in the world.

You talk out of your ass so often, you might as well stand on your head.
 
3wideinturn1 said:
I was of the understanding that reducing horsepower was another way to reduce the speeds of the new Gen 6 cars. Look at how many track records have been set since the introduction of the Gen 6. Speeds are getting really high at some places and at least should be of some concern to NASCAR and teams.
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Drivers from the Michigan test said the mid-corner speeds were up almost 10 MPH when they took the power out of the car. A couple were questioning if the tires are going to hold up. If it's about safety it doesn't sound like they're going about it the right way.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Would their solution to a Nationwide Series car going into the stands really be to turn the Cup car into a Nationwide car?
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You and I know that, but do the insurance companies? Whoever insures ISC and SMI must piss blood whenever a 3400 pound car goes into a catchfence in front of a packed grandstand.

I bet 10% of the reasoning behind the HP reduction is safety related, the other 90% is competition/declining ratings related.
 
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