NASCAR's 1.5 mile problem

Acs said:
Who wouldn't want to see stronger, lined up bumpers at short tracks and road courses? You could beat and bang your way to the front all day without destroying your car.

For the flat tracks, it's gonna take a lot of work and a lot of smart people to make them race good. But the key thing is, simply lowering the downforce, lowering the mid-corner speeds, increasing the speed delta between corner entry and mid-corner hasn't worked so far like it has at the intermediates. I'll give you an example; in 2016 the delta between corner entry and mid-corner speed was about 29 mph at the spring Dover race everyone loved. It was also about 30 mph at vegas. Loudon? 60mph. Pocono turn 1? 55mph. Indianapolis? The Kyle Busch snoozefest? 52 mph. There has to be a different approach.
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The end of that Dover race was something to watch. Was on my feet as was most of the crowd in my section.
 
jws926 said:
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Is that Road Course at Atlanta still around?
 
Snappy D said:
I wish in the boom of the 90's some of these new tracks like Kansas or Chicagoland were made to be a clone of Wilkesboro. I went to the Chicago Motorspeedway in Cicero,Il right outside of Chicago, I wish that track had been built where Chicagoland is now. I loved the racing at that short track.
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As I recall, the reason so many newer tracks were build at 1.5 or 2 miles was so they could also host open wheel races.

Mind you, IndyCar has since run at Phoenix and even Richmond, so obviously the extra room wasn't necessary.
 
Snappy D said:
I wish in the boom of the 90's some of these new tracks like Kansas or Chicagoland were made to be a clone of Wilkesboro. I went to the Chicago Motorspeedway in Cicero,Il right outside of Chicago, I wish that track had been built where Chicagoland is now. I loved the racing at that short track.
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I like to find a parking spot at a strip mall, get a bucket of KFC and reminisce about old, dead racetracks.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
As I recall, the reason so many newer tracks were build at 1.5 or 2 miles was so they could also host open wheel races.

Mind you, IndyCar has since run at Phoenix and even Richmond, so obviously the extra room wasn't necessary.
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Hopefully, someone can enlighten me. I recall reading somewhere (maybe in this forum) that the 1.5 milers were created because as the sport was growing, the track owners figured they could eventually enclose the whole track with grandstand seating in excess of 150K. Ahh, the good 'ole days with their trend projections.
 
aunty dive said:
I like to find a parking spot at a strip mall, get a bucket of KFC and reminisce about old, dead racetracks.
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Ha ha there's a Walmart there now, I drive by it every Thursday and Friday as I work in the area those days
 
NJJammer said:
Hopefully, someone can enlighten me. I recall reading somewhere (maybe in this forum) that the 1.5 milers were created because as the sport was growing, the track owners figured they could eventually enclose the whole track with grandstand seating in excess of 150K. Ahh, the good 'ole days with their trend projections.
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Bristol demonstrates that you can do that with only half a mile.
 
aunty dive said:
That was kinda my point.

They're everywhere and nowhere.[/QUOTE I got your point, no need to be condescending. My point was th racing was cool there and would have been a better show than what's at Chicagoland now IMO . Your condescending was well noted though.
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Charlie Spencer said:
Bristol demonstrates that you can do that with only half a mile.
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True. And Dover was near 135K before they started ripping seats out. I just meant that I believed track owners thought the size/speed/grandstand ratio was more economical for 1.5 milers. I'm sure Bruton poured untold millions into the Colosseum at Bristol and I hope to one day get down there for a race.
 
^^ I wasn't being condescending at all. I'm sorry you took it that way.

See if you can figure out how to use the quote function correctly. That will enable the rest of us to quote you. Correctly. That was condescending ... just so there's no confusion.
 
aunty dive said:
I think the cars need more power to go with the downforce reductions. More straightaway speed.

The driver should have to brake into corners on these tracks. JMO, of course.
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Could not agree more. In the future I hope we see less flat out tracks , and more braking.Just no chicanical sheetworking, etc and so forth.....
 
aunty dive said:
^^ I wasn't being condescending at all. I'm sorry you took it that way.

See if you can figure out how to use the quote function correctly. That will enable the rest of us to quote you. Correctly. That was condescending ... just so there's no confusion.
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All is good. I have thick skin, figuratively and literally. I enjoy this forum immensely and the commentators who post in it. No offense meant and none taken.
 
aunty dive said:
^^ I wasn't being condescending at all. I'm sorry you took it that way.

See if you can figure out how to use the quote function correctly. That will enable the rest of us to quote you. Correctly. That was condescending ... just so there's no confusion.
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I think he's accidentally deleting the last right-bracket, so the tag isn't getting closed.
 
NJJammer said:
All is good. I have thick skin, figuratively and literally. I enjoy this forum immensely and the commentators who post in it. No offense meant and none taken.
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I think aunty's comment was for Snappy.

I'm thinking a lot here tonight. Likely I'll fall asleep if I do it much longer.
 
aunty dive said:
^^ I wasn't being condescending at all. I'm sorry you took it that way.

See if you can figure out how to use the quote function correctly. That will enable the rest of us to quote you. Correctly. That was condescending ... just so there's no confusion.
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LOL made a mistake with the quotation I see you're good at blowing things out of proportion. And you come off as condescending, I'm not confused on that.
 
aunty dive said:
I like to find a parking spot at a strip mall, get a bucket of KFC and reminisce about old, dead racetracks.
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I would rather remamansce about old Atlanta, at the Gold Rush, Gold Club, or even at the one in Warner Robbins. Race weekends covered a lot of territory. Butt they have probably transitioned to vacant STRIP malls too.
 
Snappy D said:
LOL made a mistake with the quotation I see you're good at blowing things out of proportion. And you come off as condescending, I'm not confused on that.
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Sometimes I am. I know when that is.

I meant what I said and I don't care how I "come off".
 
Charlie Spencer said:
But only Original Recipe; none of that new-fangled Extra Crispy or grilled crap.
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aunty dive said:
^^ I wasn't being condescending at all. I'm sorry you took it that way.

See if you can figure out how to use the quote function correctly. That will enable the rest of us to quote you. Correctly. That was condescending ... just so there's no confusion.
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This is proper internetiquettexs here, simply based on the style points alone.
 
Greg said:
I would rather remamansce about old Atlanta, at the Gold Rush, Gold Club, or even at the one in Warner Robbins. Race weekends covered a lot of territory. Butt they have probably transitioned to vacant STRIP malls too.
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Location, location, location.
 
Greg said:
Makes me think about all the things I saw there as I drove by while headed to the old defunct Lanier Speedway
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Did a lot of Saturdays at Lanier. Did you ever go
to a nite of destruction?
 
on cc1.5 tracks with 2 dates,
run one race normally,
run second date, use tri oval as pit road and use pit lane as race track, like a true oval.
 
bigspud said:
on cc1.5 tracks with 2 dates,
run one race normally,
run second date, use tri oval as pit road and use pit lane as race track, like a true oval.
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Only a 1/4 mile and no functional pit roads.
 
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