NASCAR's Chase has flaws, but has become cornerstone of the season.

breatheoflife said:
Point being, the best doesn't always win. You win when it matters. That's what champions do. Yes, it's NASCAR, and just like any other sport, they have now implemented a playoff system. You win the playoffs, you win the championship. The best teams win when they need to. It's always been that way. That's nothing new.
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Hasn't always been that way for NASCAR, nor should it be that way for NASCAR.


breatheoflife said:
Why wouldn't you try to model after the most popular sport in America? :confused:
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Because NASCAR isn't football. It's racing. And a majority of NASCAR fans think that the driver who is best throughout the entire season should be the champion, not the driver who is best in only the last ten races.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Hasn't always been that way for NASCAR, nor should it be that way for NASCAR.
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Sure it should. Every other sport has a playoff, nothing wrong with NASCAR having one too. NASCAR fans want to have their cake and eat it too. If the championship is decided 2 or 3 races before the end of the season, they complain because the season didn't wasn't exciting and didn't have a real championship race. So, NASCAR goes to the Chase format, making a playoff system like every other sport, almost guaranteeing that the season won't be decided until the final race, and then NASCAR fans complain that it's not fair, the best driver isn't the champion, etc. I'm sure if they could have found a way to make fans happy under the old format, they would have.


PeopleAreStrange said:
Because NASCAR isn't football. It's racing. And a majority of NASCAR fans think that the driver who is best throughout the entire season should be the champion, not the driver who is best in only the last ten races.
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Football isn't baseball, but they made changes similar to baseball because it was smart and made for better results. Basketball isn't football or baseball, but they made a similar format because it worked. A true champion, the best driver, adapts to the format that's put in place, and that's the Chase.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
You could say the same under the old format about Kulwicki / Elliott / Allison.
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You didn't have many exciting championship races under the old format. Under the new one, in just it's 9 years in place, it's already produced 5 good championship battles. '04, '05, '10, '11, and '12.
 
breatheoflife said:
You didn't have many exciting championship races under the old format. Under the new one, in just it's 9 years in place, it's already produced 5 good championship battles. '04, '05, '10, '11, and '12.
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I used to think the chase was cheap, but then Gordon came out and said it's much harder to win a championship than under the format he won his with. He feels it would be a huge accomplishment to win another under the chase format. That got me off the 'it's different so I don't like it' attitude.
 
I like it, I wish they would lose some of the tracks in the chase, but oh well. It brings it down to the wire, which serves it's purpose.
 
I'm an old fart and I resist change. I didn't like the Chase when it started but now I'm OK with it. There was a thread during the chase that listed the standings based on the pre-chase rules and I enjoyed that comparison.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I'm an old fart and I resist change. I didn't like the Chase when it started but now I'm OK with it. There was a thread during the chase that listed the standings based on the pre-chase rules and I enjoyed that comparison.
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Glad you liked it. That makes two of us. Oh, and I'll be bringing it back as an encore this season as well much to the dismay of the overwhelming majority.
 
breatheoflife said:
You didn't have many exciting championship races under the old format. Under the new one, in just it's 9 years in place, it's already produced 5 good championship battles. '04, '05, '10, '11, and '12.
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Guess we'll have to continue to disagree. I'd rather see the best driver all year win the championship, even if the points battle at the end isn't as exciting.
 
I like the idea of crowning a champion based on the course of a whole season. I think last year even without the Chase Brad would've won by only 19 points over Biffle and 28 over Johnson, but it still has produced some memorable title battles. It might be starting to grow on me.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
Guess we'll have to continue to disagree. I'd rather see the best driver all year win the championship, even if the points battle at the end isn't as exciting.
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What he said.

I really wish they would have discovered the newer points system before then invention of the Chase. I think the new way of scoring was a great change to the sport.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I like the idea of crowning a champion based on the course of a whole season. I think last year even without the Chase Brad would've won by only 19 points over Biffle and 28 over Johnson, but it still has produced some memorable title battles. It might be starting to grow on me.
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Great comments there FLR , welcome to the forum. We love new opinions here.Keep em comin.
 
I really wish they would have discovered the newer points system before then invention of the Chase. I think the new way of scoring was a great change to the sport.
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I agree. A point per position is easier to follow. You know exactly what your driver needs to do to gain on the guy above him.
 
I like the Chase. If a driver was running away with the championship during the first half of the season....he can still do that in the chase. It just makes them work harder.
 
Clutch said:
I like the Chase. If a driver was running away with the championship during the first half of the season....he can still do that in the chase. It just makes them work harder.
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I'm not a huge fan of the chase nor am I losing any sleep over it but it also wouldn't bother me if points got reset for every team.
 
I would actually love the new points system under the old system. Even get rid of bonus points. Then at the end of they year, whoever was truly the best driver all year, will be your champion.
 
ted@economy said:
At the rate they change these things , I'm figuring bonus points will come back around again soon.
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that can't do it under the 1 point per position format. Even doing it for just 2nd and 3rd would throw things out of whack.
 
breatheoflife said:
I would actually love the new points system under the old system. Even get rid of bonus points. Then at the end of they year, whoever was truly the best driver all year, will be your champion.
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No reward for a win? I wouldn't want that. I want guys who go for the win to be rewarded and the guys who lay back and point race to be left in the dust.
 
FenderBumper said:
No reward for a win? I wouldn't want that. I want guys who go for the win to be rewarded and the guys who lay back and point race to be left in the dust.
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Nope. People want the best driver to win the Championship? Well, that's the sure way to get the best driver throughout the whole course of the year the Championship.
 
FenderBumper said:
No reward for a win? I wouldn't want that. I want guys who go for the win to be rewarded and the guys who lay back and point race to be left in the dust.
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I agree. I think something always needs to be said about front-running too (keeping multiple bonus points for leading the most laps).
 
breatheoflife said:
Nope. People want the best driver to win the Championship? Well, that's the sure way to get the best driver throughout the whole course of the year the Championship.
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Which people?

Seeing 2 or 3 guys go all out racing for the win is exciting. Take a risk. Make that bold move. Hell, I would rather see no points and most wins gets the championship than point racing.
 
breatheoflife said:
Nope. People want the best driver to win the Championship? Well, that's the sure way to get the best driver throughout the whole course of the year the Championship.
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When was the last time the best driver didn't win the cup?

Every driver knows what the point system is and needs to be smart about how they race.
 
Smoke14 said:
When was the last time the best driver didn't win the cup?

Every driver knows what the point system is and needs to be smart about how they race.
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2012, saw it coming huh FB, somebody had to say it. :D
 
ted@economy said:
You sir , underestimate the power of whiners !
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IMO, restrictor plates have been the subject of more whining over the years than most other things combined - why are they still used?

France is a dictator and like all dictators, he makes decisions based on what he knows to be best as he is smarter than all those around him. Simple enough.

I guess I'll just never understand your inclination to blame others for the choices which Brian France has made.
 
France is a dictator and like all dictators, he makes decisions based on what he knows to be best as he is smarter than all those around him. Simple enough.
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I think they like to call it a benevolent dictator.
 
Zerkfitting said:
I think they like to call it a benevolent dictator.
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I agree . Any CEO of any company bears responsibility for how his company does . But there aren't enough hours in the day for him to make many of the decisions .
 
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