O'Donnell on overtime line

The overtime line was a knee-jerk reaction to the Harvick incident at Talladega two years ago. NASCAR promised there would only be one restart, then had to scramble when an accident occurred as the pack crossed the line. The leader had already crossed, an event that would have constituted a restart under any green flag in any race in the previous 55+ years. But NASCAR couldn't let the race end under the conditions they'd previously announced, so they declared that what everyone knew was a restart wasn't actually a restart.

"Well, now it's only going to be a restart if we get to this random point around the track. If they don't wreck before they get there, it's a restart. If they do wreck, we'll hold the caution flag until they get there anyway. Yeah, that's the ticket!"

It's very simple, NASCAR - when the leader crosses the S/F line, it's a restart. Duh.
 
NASCAR is looking to move the overtime line to the start/finish line next year, a senior executive told NBC Sports.

Steve O’Donnell, executive vice president and chief racing development officer, made the comment during the NASCAR on NBC podcast with Nate Ryan.

“We’re going to take a hard look for 2018 of making (the overtime line at) the start/finish line,’’ O’Donnell told Ryan.

A point that has been made from tracks, O’Donnell said, is that many don’t have seats where the overtime line is — typically located on the backstretch or near the entrance of Turn 3.

“All those things, if you take the time and you put it up on a board and say what are the positives to this, there are not a ton of them,’’ O’Donnell said on the NASCAR on NBC podcast. “So I think if we get it back to the start/finish line and make sure the fans at least get that one full lap, that’s a direction we want to go.’’

more here.....

http://nascar.nbcsports.com/2017/07...ve-overtime-line-in-2018-to-startfinish-line/
 
If they do move their funky line, it will be another compromise of a compromise. Not going to make any difference, if they want to end the race, they will do what they did during the Xfinity, and then lie and alibi about it.
 
The problem isn't the overtime line... it's the fact that it's overly obvious NASCAR wants certain things to happen in races... everyone should run with that statement. If NASCAR has an issue with everyone saying it then this topic at hand would get solved and they wouldn't allow multiple cars fully spinning for moments before yellow lights flash.

Truth is, William Byron is a young up and comer and it looks good for xfinity series if he gets some wins.
 
kkfan91 said:
No racing series with unlimited gwc has ever dome more then 4
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No problem then..... Change my quote to be 4th instead of 6th. This place would go nuts over the attrition and the cost to the teams. That's a given.

Me, I was okay with the race finishing as advertised. Watched it far longer under that format than every version since.

Bottom line. There's no way to please everyone.
 
Tired of half measures and half assed rules that make no sense. NASCAR has the most retarded, common senseless leadership of any major sport in America.

Either finish a race under green, and do everything necessary to achieve that result, or get rid of the GWC. It's that simple.

The elephant in the room is that NASCAR purposely makes their rules convoluted in order to maintain control over race outcones. Gotta achieve their "moments" and desired drama to keep the networks happy.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
My opinion is simple --- if the race ends under yellow at the advertised distance, it's over.
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I'd be fine with that too, but there would need to be a clear policy on use of a red flag to prevent a finish under yellow. The only fair way would be... no red flag during clean up unless to repair the track surface or the fence or wall.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I'd be fine with that too, but there would need to be a clear policy on use of a red flag to prevent a finish under yellow. The only fair way would be... no red flag during clean up unless to repair the track surface or the fence or wall.
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I would add that a red flag would be necessary if fluid, or pieces of metal, was all over the track.
 
So, it's a G/W/C situation and if an accident happens on the White flag lap, the race is over? Is that it, or am I missing something?
 
Pat said:
So, it's a G/W/C situation and if an accident happens on the White flag lap, the race is over? Is that it, or am I missing something?
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yeah that and if there is a wreck before the overtime line, they are supposed to throw the yellow, line the cars up and have another try for a maximum of three tries. That was the problem with the Xfinity race, they were wrecking long before they got to the line but they waited until the lead pack crossed the line before they threw the white flag instead of the yellow.
 
I know some people don't like it when I say I don't view Nascar as a sport but I just can't due to the constant changing of rules or simply just applying or ignoring them based on the type of outcome they would like to see. I think people will always complain about the caution that was or was not called but Nascar could do themselves a huge favor by establishing benchmarks and then following them as closely as possible.

I want to be crystal clear in stating that I don't think anyone is foolish for thinking of Nascar as a sport and be forceful in saying that I am absolutely not denigrating anyone for their beliefs.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I know some people don't like it when I say I don't view Nascar as a sport but I just can't due to the constant changing of rules or simply just applying or ignoring them based on the type of outcome they would like to see. I think people will always complain about the caution that was or was not called but Nascar could do themselves a huge favor by establishing benchmarks and then following them as closely as possible.

I want to be crystal clear in stating that I don't think anyone is foolish for thinking of Nascar as a sport and be forceful in saying that I am absolutely not denigrating anyone for their beliefs.
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I know I am in the minority here and will probably catch hell for posting it...... but...... all the rule changing and gray areas would be a moot subject if we just got back to where we used to be........ you take the white flag and race back to the line...... best man and fastest car wins......


all the stupid rules that are mandated and changed on a whim at the discretion of who knows who....... that's the core problem......
 
kymartin6 said:
I know I am in the minority here and will probably catch hell for posting it...... but...... all the rule changing and gray areas would be a moot subject if we just got back to where we used to be........ you take the white flag and race back to the line...... best man and fastest car wins......


all the stupid rules that are mandated and changed on a whim at the discretion of who knows who....... that's the core problem......
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I agree and believe that Nascar is more concerned with putting on what they feel is a good show instead of establishing rules and letting things play out.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I agree and believe that Nascar is more concerned with putting on what they feel is a good show instead of establishing rules and letting things play out.
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But does that make NASCAR different from any other sports sanctioning body? Let's keep in mind that professional sports (and the NCAA and IOC) are about making money. They'll all do what they think is necessary to put on the best show because that usually leads to the most income.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
But does that make NASCAR different from any other sports sanctioning body? Let's keep in mind that professional sports (and the NCAA and IOC) are about making money. They'll all do what they think is necessary to put on the best show because that usually leads to the most income.
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I agree as if you can't entertain your audience you won't have one for very long. I do think you can be entertaining and not change rules regularly and also enforce existing rules as best as humanly possible and retain your audience.
 
kymartin6 said:
I know I am in the minority here and will probably catch hell for posting it...... but...... all the rule changing and gray areas would be a moot subject if we just got back to where we used to be........ you take the white flag and race back to the line...... best man and fastest car wins......


all the stupid rules that are mandated and changed on a whim at the discretion of who knows who....... that's the core problem......
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I for one can't wait until the big money no longer rules nascar.so it can get back to racing. no speed limit on pit road, no lap back bs and racing back to the flag.
 
The Nature Boy said:
You know going in that there's a possibility that the race is extended. Factor it into your strategy.
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And the race could be cut short at at 201 laps but who is going to build a 300 lap motor.
Going to the track is a different experience that watching on TV. For the millions of people who HAVE TO WATCH ON TV I think a timed race is better.
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
I for one can't wait until the big money no longer rules nascar.so it can get back to racing. no speed limit on pit road, no lap back bs and racing back to the flag.
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Drivers union won't stand for that.
 
The GWC can produce exciting finishes but I think too many drivers who deserved to win the race lost it to the GWC rules. I can see red flagging the race under certain circumstances (I wouldn't want it to be a regular occurrence). I recently saw an Indycar race end under yellow and I was fine with it.
 
It's what the fans want......................................
 
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