Oh, **** me senseless!

I am a race fan first, I'll watch just about anything with an engine and wheels. I think most of us here on the forums are race fans. Nascar is what most of us have followed the longest and like the best. But I'll tell you that if Humpy Wheeler was to start a rival series with stock cars off the showroom floor tomorrow, I would toss Nascar in a second and start following that instead. Sure, they wouldn't be as fast, or anything else you could argue for or against, but it would be real racing. How do I define "real racing"? Not everyone has the same mandated chassis, everyone doesn't run the same tires. You get the idea. Putting driver skills ahead of technology. Most of the best battles on the track aren't for first place. I would rather watch drivers race each other, than watch what amounts to a game of chance. If all this means I'm not a "true fan" then I will wear that badge with pride.
 
Yogisd1 said:
I am a race fan first, I'll watch just about anything with an engine and wheels. I think most of us here on the forums are race fans. Nascar is what most of us have followed the longest and like the best. But I'll tell you that if Humpy Wheeler was to start a rival series with stock cars off the showroom floor tomorrow, I would toss Nascar in a second and start following that instead. Sure, they wouldn't be as fast, or anything else you could argue for or against, but it would be real racing. How do I define "real racing"? Not everyone has the same mandated chassis, everyone doesn't run the same tires. You get the idea. Putting driver skills ahead of technology. Most of the best battles on the track aren't for first place. I would rather watch drivers race each other, than watch what amounts to a game of chance. If all this means I'm not a "true fan" then I will wear that badge with pride.
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I hope Humpy Wheeler actually does put together a competing stock car series. He should try to re-create the way NASCAR was back in the Winston Cup era.
 
Yogisd1 said:
I have to give credit to Dun24 for suggesting that Humpy Wheeler should be running the show.
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Unfortunately, it sounds like he agrees with it.

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if they want to be like the nfl, then why let them race after they have been eliminated from the championship.
 
FLRacingFan said:
And no one cried when Matt Crafton won the Truck championship with only one win last year.
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I didnt cry when Dillon won it without winning a race, some others did. Kyle Busch won his share, I was happy with that
 
Kyle18fan said:
I didnt cry when Dillon won it without winning a race, some others did. Kyle Busch won his share, I was happy with that
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That was more of an indictment of Cup drivers infiltrating the series - obviously, if they competed in Nationwide about as often as they do in Truck guys like Dillon and Hornish would have won a lot more races.

Crafton didn't even have the most wins or Top 5s among Truck regulars - Johnny Sauter (3 wins) and Brendan Gaughan (10 top 5s) did. Of course, Johnny Sauter and Brendan Gaughan also make a lot of boneheaded mistakes that take them out of contention. Consistency has to be rewarded in NASCAR.
 
FLRacingFan said:
That was more of an indictment of Cup drivers infiltrating the series - obviously, if they competed in Nationwide about as often as they do in Truck guys like Dillon and Hornish would have won a lot more races.

Crafton didn't even have the most wins or Top 5s among Truck regulars - Johnny Sauter (3 wins) and Brendan Gaughan (10 top 5s) did. Of course, Johnny Sauter and Brendan Gaughan also make a lot of boneheaded mistakes that take them out of contention. Consistency has to be rewarded in NASCAR.
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Consistency is rewarded, settling for 2nd only costs you a few points settling for third dont cost much either. Why risk it all for a win when it gains you 2 or 3 points.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Consistency is rewarded, settling for 2nd only costs you a few points settling for third dont cost much either. Why risk it all for a win when it gains you 2 or 3 points.
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That's what NASCAR is trying to change though. I'm OK with adding some more points for winning and leading the most laps but the suggestion that David Ragan's 28th-place season with 1 win should be rewarded before Dale Jr.'s 5th-place season or Kurt Busch's 10th-place season with no wins is inane.
 
Bruton Smith would destroy NASCAR quicker than Brian France could dream of. He's the one who's proposed so many of these gimmicks NASCAR's considering. He'd have every single NASCAR race held at a 1.5 mile brobdingnagian with all sorts of gimmicks. I'm so sick of the Bruton Smith praise.
 
FLRacingFan said:
That's what NASCAR is trying to change though. I'm OK with adding some more points for winning and leading the most laps but the suggestion that David Ragan's 28th-place season with 1 win should be rewarded before Dale Jr.'s 5th-place season or Kurt Busch's 10th-place season with no wins is inane.
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I agree 100 percent :cool:
 
Doesnt Nascar have a "fan council" that gives their opinion on proposed changes ??? If they are giving the ok on the latest load of horse pellets then they are recieving envelopes under the table
 
Nitro Dude said:
I agree. But, i don't know how this thread turned into a discussion about who thinks they are a better fan then anyone else.
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Read the thread. I see it all the time, people judging others as not being a good enough fan, based on their own criteria of what a 'real' fan is as if the entire fanbase of Nascar adheres to that one 'GREATEST' fan's crazy notions.

I'm good now, carry on :)
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Bruton Smith would destroy NASCAR quicker than Brian France could dream of. He's the one who's proposed so many of these gimmicks NASCAR's considering. He'd have every single NASCAR race held at a 1.5 mile brobdingnagian with all sorts of gimmicks. I'm so sick of the Bruton Smith praise.
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I haven't been a Burton Smith fan ever since he tried to screw over my hometown of Concord, NC by threatening to close CMS and move the race somewhere else.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I haven't been a Burton Smith fan ever since he tried to screw over my hometown of Concord, NC by threatening to close CMS and move the race somewhere else.
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I haven't been a fan of Bruton ever since he and Bob Bahre screwed the sport of auto racing when they shut Wilkesboro down. If TMS was torn to hell by a tornado, I wouldn't shed a tear as long as no fans were there when it happened.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I haven't been a Burton Smith fan ever since he tried to screw over my hometown of Concord, NC by threatening to close CMS and move the race somewhere else.
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Like him or not...you do realize that he is the reason your town of Concord makes a butt load of money off of nascar racing, dirt track racing, and drag racing. I know i spend a pretty good chunk twice every year in your town of Concord... because of Zmax.
 
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FLRacingFan said:
That was more of an indictment of Cup drivers infiltrating the series - obviously, if they competed in Nationwide about as often as they do in Truck guys like Dillon and Hornish would have won a lot more races.

Crafton didn't even have the most wins or Top 5s among Truck regulars - Johnny Sauter (3 wins) and Brendan Gaughan (10 top 5s) did. Of course, Johnny Sauter and Brendan Gaughan also make a lot of boneheaded mistakes that take them out of contention. Consistency has to be rewarded in NASCAR.
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Keep Kyle in truck races If it will keep blowhard Brendan Gaughn out of victory lane. I would rather see Steven Wallace, Jeremy Methfield or all the Ayatollahs win a race first.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Bruton Smith would destroy NASCAR quicker than Brian France could dream of. He's the one who's proposed so many of these gimmicks NASCAR's considering. He'd have every single NASCAR race held at a 1.5 mile brobdingnagian with all sorts of gimmicks. I'm so sick of the Bruton Smith praise.
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Burton will be 87 in March, so that problem will probably take care of itself sooner rather than later.
 
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