Old School Vs. New School

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During the 2013 chase. NASCAR RaceHub has been comparing each of the chase drivers to an old school driver. What do you guys think about these comparisons?

http://msn.foxsports.com/watch/racehub/old-school-vs-new-school-carl-edwards/

Carl Edwards - Harry Gant

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/sha...w-school-is-rowdy-the-next-intimidator-092713

Kyle Busch - Dale Earnhardt

http://msn.foxsports.com/watch/racehub/nascar-race-hub-old-school-vs-new-school-clint-bowyer/

Clint Bowyer - Tim Richmond

http://msn.foxsports.com/watch/racehub/nascar-race-hub-old-school-vs-new-school-jimmie-johnson/

Jimmie Johnson - Richard Petty :rolleyes:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/sha...l-is-kasey-kahne-the-modern-day-iceman-101013

Kasey Kahne - Terry Labonte

http://msn.foxsports.com/watch/racehub/old-school-vs-new-school-greg-biffle/

Greg Biffle - Ricky Rudd

http://msn.foxsports.com/video/NASC...f68a18fb88&from=foxsports/nascar/home_gallery

Joey Logano - Davey Allison

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/shakeandbake/old-school-vs-new-school-dale-earnhardt-jr-101713

Dale Jr - Bill Elliot



Thoughts? Agree? Disagree?

I never saw any of these guys racing.. you old timers in here.. what do you think?



I dont know if they've done Gordon, Kenseth, Harvick, Newman and Kurt Busch.. couldnt find them.. if anyone can.. post em here.
 
IMO Kahne is too aggressive and in too many incidents to be compared to Terry Labonte.

Rudd was at least 50 times as badass as Biffle is.

Kyle Busch is polarizing, as Earnhardt was.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Rudd was at least 50 times as badass as Biffle is.
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Somehow I don't picture Biffle doing this so he could race on Sunday.....

Rudd Tape Really your complaining.jpg
 
Damn slice, don't you have work to do, rats to kill, fences to mend, something, anything to keep you occupied? :confused:
 
Johali said:
Damn slice, don't you have work to do, rats to kill, fences to mend, something, anything to keep you occupied? :confused:
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I work outside... its cold up here in the great white north lol.. no work right now until snow removal.. trust me... Im bored as hell lol its hard to dig when the ground is frozen and I aint about to swing a hammer when my fingers are chilled to the bone.. :confused: Couple more weeks I'll be movin snow with the skid steer.. that'll keep me entertained
 
Comparrisons will always be made, I guess, but when I look at that list of old school name I think icons of the sport. That day will come for the list of new school names as well. I just have a had time comparing these individuals. They all had/have distinct personalties that set them apart.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Comparrisons will always be made, I guess, but when I look at that list of old school name I think icons of the sport. That day will come for the list of new school names as well. I just have a had time comparing these individuals. They all had/have distinct personalties that set them apart.
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Yeah one of the first things they say in the intros are how its hard to compare them.


Who would you guys compare them to?
 
I would compare Joe Nemechek to Richard Petty. Joe is about to catch Richard in wins, and he would look good in a cowboy hat.

JJ Yeley is a lot like the silver fox David Pearson, David was quiet on the racetrack, as is Yeley because he pulls in by lap 5.

The BK Racing team and Danica I could compare to the old time veteran Buckshot Jones. You see buckshot would wreck every race, and well you know the rest of the story.

Ryan Newman I would compare to Bushwacker, the #1 ranked PBR bull right now.
 
*WEAVER* said:
I would compare Joe Nemechek to Richard Petty. Joe is about to catch Richard in wins, and he would look good in a cowboy hat.

JJ Yeley is a lot like the silver fox David Pearson, David was quiet on the racetrack, as is Yeley because he pulls in by lap 5.

The BK Racing team and Danica I could compare to the old time veteran Buckshot Jones. You see buckshot would wreck every race, and well you know the rest of the story.

Ryan Newman I would compare to Bushwacker, the #1 ranked PBR bull right now.
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Were talking about the guys in the 2013 chase lol.. not Joe Nemechek and Danica Patrick
 
I dunno if you can really compare Johnson to any of the old school drivers. The way he does thing, the way he wins races and how him and Chad are able to work together and improve the car or change the car as the race progress, I just don't really know of any old school drivers who can do that. Of course I started watching NASCAR in the mid-90s, so I was on the tail end of some of these guys careers.
 
SpeedPagan said:
The way he does thing, the way he wins races and how him and Chad are able to work together and improve the car or change the car as the race progress, I just don't really know of any old school drivers who can do that.
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That was more evident in the races years ago than it is today. Today's drivers are given a car unloaded off of the truck that is almost spot on to begin with. These cars are already so close to the maximum of what can be done to them it's unreal. The seven post shaker rig has already run these cars through a race severl times before it ever hits the track. Should these guys/gal have to go to that backup car, they know that they are getting a piece that is every bit as good as the first one. That simply wasn't the case in the past. There was a good reason why the car was a backup car. Years ago when a driver/crew figured out something to go faster it was at the track on race day. Now, most of it happens at the shop before they ever get to the track.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
That was more evident in the races years ago than it is today. Today's drivers are given a car unloaded off of the truck that is almost spot on to begin with. These cars are already so close to the maximum of what can be done to them it's unreal. The seven post shaker rig has already run these cars through a race severl times before it ever hits the track. Should these guys/gal have to go to that backup car, they know that they are getting a piece that is every bit as good as the first one. That simply wasn't the case in the past. There was a good reason why the car was a backup car. Years ago when a driver/crew figured out something to go faster it was at the track on race day. Now, most of it happens at the shop before they ever get to the track.
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Gone are the days that a garage mechanic can win a NASCAR race, nowadays you need an entire teams dedicated to shocks, or to the engine, or to the spring, etc.
 
I can't see any of the comparisons. They are completely different in every way - like comparing yourself to your grandfather.
 
I definitely see the Junior to Elliott comparison. Both are multi-year MPD's, and their mannerisms are quite similar.

I think Kyle more closely resembles DW than Earnhardt.
 
ToyYoda said:
I definitely see the Junior to Elliott comparison. Both are multi-year MPD's, and their mannerisms are quite similar.

I think Kyle more closely resembles DW than Earnhardt.
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MPD's?
 
Clint Bowyer & Tim Richmond? Clint is a 10th the personality and nowhere near the racer. Joey & Davey? Lolwut
 
I actually think Harvick has morphed into Dale Sr., but without the championships.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Gone are the days that a garage mechanic can win a NASCAR race, nowadays you need an entire teams dedicated to shocks, or to the engine, or to the spring, etc.
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This is one of the things I enjoy about the Gatorade Duel races... every now and then, a low budget team with a no-name driver and a nine man team working out of a garage in North Carolina can sneak their way in to the Daytona 500. I wish the low budget teams could compete in NASCAR now - which is why I wish there was a tire rule to start with.

Even short track racing requires money but it's still old school. I hear stories every race I go to where a guy needs something to fix his car and other teams step up and help. This is just too rare in NASCAR now.
 
Kyle's nothing like Dale. Dale was a badass. He was also a spokesperson for the sport. He wouldn't go on Twitter and whine and cry about something on the track and he certainly wouldn't run to his motor home crying. Not to mention all the stories about things he'd do for fans, even if there are a lot of stories about how he could be an a**hole. You'll never hear the kind of good stories about Kyle that you hear about Earnhardt... well, maybe one day if he matures as a person.

Kyle's always seemed like someone who thinks the rest of the world owes him something. I've met him in person, as have others on this board, and that's genuinely his attitude. His ego is enormous.
 
The one's I agree with are JJ & Richard, Kahne & Labonte, & Jr & Bill Elliott. Carl Edwards has done alot of arrogant sh!t that Gant would never have done, Harry was a much more level headed smooth driver. Kyle Busch doe's not have Dale Sr's swagger & charisama. Clint Bowyer doesn't have Tim Richmond's driving talent nor his ways with women. Richmond was a bada$$ & he was not afraid to say it. Joey hasn't done anything in my eyes to be able to compare him to Davey Allison. Finally i'm not so sure the Biff could match Rudd's ironman like driving style. Those guys from the Winston Cup era were some pretty tough drivers, I mean open faced helmets & just a driver seat going faster than these guys go today. There probably won't be another Dale Sr or Tim Richmond...
 
Nobody can compare to Dale Earnhardt, there was only one and there will never be another :sad:

No other driver has the raw talent that Kyle Busch has, no comparison there either :biggrin:

Joey Lagono and Allison :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: that there is funny :XXROFL:
 
Kyle can wheel a car, but he lacks the end of race toughness that DALE had. Even when DALE had a so so car all day when it was Sunday money time he could bring it home better then it raced all day gaining points. Even when he was having a bad day and 2 or 3 laps at the end of the race he would get on the radio to Kirk, Richard or Andy to see who was on the same lap as him that he needed to pass to gain points. He was always about going forward.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Nobody can compare to Dale Earnhardt, there was only one and there will never be another :sad:

No other driver has the raw talent that Kyle Busch has, no comparison there either :biggrin:

Joey Lagono and Allison :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: that there is funny :XXROFL:
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2 out of 3 aint bad.
LOL.

Kyle has great raw talent, one of the best raw talents for sure.
But Kurt may have as much,
Did he have as much as Fireball Roberts, Lorenzen, or Weatherly ( I never saw those 3 drive) who knows?

Or did he have as much as Earnhardt Sr, or Tim Richmond. Richmond I think turned the fastest laps as a rookie during his only May at Indianapolis, in an era when blood and guts was a literal description.
He also adapted well to Cup racing with little previous experience in stock cars.

I do want to take care to recognize that Kyle does have a lot of talent and a case for him can be made. But I think it is impossible to determine who had the greater raw talent.
 
Greg said:
2 out of 3 aint bad.
LOL.

Kyle has great raw talent, one of the best raw talents for sure.
But Kurt may have as much,
Did he have as much as Fireball Roberts, Lorenzen, or Weatherly ( I never saw those 3 drive) who knows?

Or did he have as much as Earnhardt Sr, or Tim Richmond. Richmond I think turned the fastest laps as a rookie during his only May at Indianapolis, in an era when blood and guts was a literal description.
He also adapted well to Cup racing with little previous experience in stock cars.

I do want to take care to recognize that Kyle does have a lot of talent and a case for him can be made. But I think it is impossible to determine who had the greater raw talent.
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Its true that making a comparison to the "old guys" would be near impossible, But when I speak of Kyles talent I mean modern era. The Busch brothers are both very talented, I think Kurt has a little more "heart" and Kyle a little more talent. Still be tough to tell either way and stats dont really sell me on who is the better driver. Of course my opinions of Kyle are totally unbiased :laugh:
 
Would Kyle have a championship if it wasn't for the chase? 2008 has been by far his best season in his career.

I doubt it since he completely felt apart during the last 10 but I'm curious.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Its true that making a comparison to the "old guys" would be near impossible, But when I speak of Kyles talent I mean modern era. The Busch brothers are both very talented, I think Kurt has a little more "heart" and Kyle a little more talent. Still be tough to tell either way and stats dont really sell me on who is the better driver. Of course my opinions of Kyle are totally unbiased :laugh:
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It is hard to say between the Busch brothers, there driving techniques are different. Kyle the animal, his restarts and aggression is powerful. Kurt is more finesse in my opinion. I think Kyles style is more flamboyant, while Kurts is smoother.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Its true that making a comparison to the "old guys" would be near impossible, But when I speak of Kyles talent I mean modern era. The Busch brothers are both very talented, I think Kurt has a little more "heart" and Kyle a little more talent. Still be tough to tell either way and stats dont really sell me on who is the better driver. Of course my opinions of Kyle are totally unbiased :laugh:
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A poll on who's the better driver between Kyle and Kurt would be interesting.
 
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