Opinion: Cup Regulars in Nationwide

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TangoWhiskey88

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Hey all, just wanted to see what everyone's opinion on Cup regulars in Nationwide is. I know what reality is (they aren't going anywhere anytime soon) but I personally hate it (not because Busch wins either). IMO think it diminishes the reason for the series, but I want to get your take on it.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
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just trying to start a conversation, seemed like a good group of people to talk NASCAR with, not trying to get flamed or trolled on. Searched for Cup regulars in nationwide and found no results so I started a thread. Is there a problem?
 
They wont be going anywhere until Nascar puts a complete stop on it, its a work in progress.

Eventually Nascar as a whole will have to deal with this pesky problem. The non-points earning doesn't really do much in terms of stopping a driver from competeting in the lower series but it has gotten the ball rolling.

In the future I'd like Nascar to start weeding out the Cup guys completely.

The whole thing is ridiculous really when you look at it from another Sport point of view. No other sport allows its players to go to a lower series and put the hurt on the up and comers. This is what makes Nascar sort of a joke imo.
 
TangoWhiskey88 said:
just trying to start a conversation, seemed like a good group of people to talk NASCAR with, not trying to get flamed or trolled on. Searched for Cup regulars in nationwide and found no results so I started a thread. Is there a problem.
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Welcome, most people here are good people who have differing opinions as it should be.
Be prepared to hear some negative comments (or crap) about posting a thread on this subject as it has been done to death.
I agree with you and you will find that most do. It's ruining the series if it hasn't ruined it already.
Stick around, it's good to see an 88 fan.
 
TangoWhiskey88 said:
just trying to start a conversation, seemed like a good group of people to talk NASCAR with, not trying to get flamed or trolled on. Searched for Cup regulars in nationwide and found no results so I started a thread. Is there a problem?
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No harm, basically what racer said. This subject has been talked about until palms started bleeding from beating that dead horse. Most of it revolves around Kyle Busch.
 
Only time I had a big problem with it was when Cup guys were competing for Nationwide championships. Now that they can't do that anymore, I don't have as big a problem with Cup regulars running NW.
 
Definantly not trying to beat a dead horse fellas, no harm meant, everybody is really friendly thats for sure. But it does crack me up when you start arguing the lower tier series'. I believe Marty Smith may have said one time that the CWTS and NNWS were not minor league series'. I believe they are and would LOVE to see up and coming drivers start winning and making a name for themselves. I think once you're in NSCS you shouldn't be able to go back down, keep it "sacred" if you will, lol.
 
ToyYoda said:
Only time I had a big problem with it was when Cup guys were competing for Nationwide championships. Now that they can't do that anymore, I don't have as big a problem with Cup regulars running NW.
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15 of 19 races have been won by a non NNS regulars. Makes the championship seem a little tainted to me.
 
TangoWhiskey88 said:
Definantly not trying to beat a dead horse fellas, no harm meant, everybody is really friendly thats for sure. But it does crack me up when you start arguing the lower tier series'. I believe Marty Smith may have said one time that the CWTS and NNWS were not minor league series'. I believe they are and would LOVE to see up and coming drivers start winning and making a name for themselves. I think once you're in NSCS you shouldn't be able to go back down, keep it "sacred" if you will, lol.
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I agree with you on everything except for the last sentence. Some people i.e. Todd Bodine are much better in the lower serieses (though it looks like age is getting to him). Let them have careers too.
 
i absolutely agree with you i forgot to put that in my post, that should be the natural cycle you make your way up and wind your way down. i meant that last sentence for the actively competitive ones you know what I mean.
 
TangoWhiskey88 said:
i absolutely agree with you i forgot to put that in my post, that should be the natural cycle you make your way up and wind your way down. i meant that last sentence for the actively competitive ones you know what I mean.
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Ohhh yeah in that case I agree 100% with you.
 
Nascar can do or not do what they want. If you think they are going to make car owners run a bunch of sponsor less nobodies so you feel better, I got some really nice...but sandy land in Arizona you might be interested in.
 
reck said:
The whole thing is ridiculous really when you look at it from another Sport point of view. No other sport allows its players to go to a lower series and put the hurt on the up and comers. This is what makes Nascar sort of a joke imo.
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Sorry if you consider Nascar some sort of joke ..reck . But Nascar isn't like 'any other sport ' . Not a bit . The drivers are independent contractors who race for a living . They can and do race anything with four wheels , any time they want to . They race on their off weekends a lot in dirt track cars , go carts , dune buggies , some even in drag racers . They do it for a living and because they love racing . Any series that wants to ban them is legally free to do so , but most are glad to have them . Brad Keselowski raced at our local short track last weekend and drew a big crowd . Any skin of anyones nose ? I don't know what sort of work you do for a living , but I wonder how you would feel about others telling you what you can and can't do on your free time.
 
So I assume Kyle won yet again today? I quit watching Nationwide races that Kyle is entered in a few months ago, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

NASCAR really needs to ban drivers competing in series that are lower than the one they are getting points in. At the very least, put a limit on how many races a driver can enter in a lower series.
 
Nascar needs to go the MLB route. Teams in MLB can send major leaguers down when ever they want to. For rehab, or to get their swing back. However they can't start a minor league game and a major league game at the same time or same day. I think Nascar should limit the amount of entries for a weekend to 1. However give each driver 10 weekends a year with multiple entries at the drivers choosing. If you use up your 10 multiple weekends then that is it. Just 1 entry for all weekends after that.
 
ted@economy said:
Sorry if you consider Nascar some sort of joke ..reck . But Nascar isn't like 'any other sport ' . Not a bit . The drivers are independent contractors who race for a living . They can and do race anything with four wheels , any time they want to . They race on their off weekends a lot in dirt track cars , go carts , dune buggies , some even in drag racers . They do it for a living and because they love racing . Any series that wants to ban them is legally free to do so , but most are glad to have them . Brad Keselowski raced at our local short track last weekend and drew a big crowd . Any skin of anyones nose ? I don't know what sort of work you do for a living , but I wonder how you would feel about others telling you what you can and can't do on your free time.
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I didn't say NASCAR was a joke, only that letting cup drivers race in their lower series is.

I get that racing is different and all but it doesn't make it any less egregious.
 
I always thought a good idea would be to put a 60-race cap across the three series. If you've run a combined 60 Truck, NW, and Cup races, you're done for the year. I'm sure there are reasons this can't be done though.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
Nascar needs to go the MLB route. Teams in MLB can send major leaguers down when ever they want to. For rehab, or to get their swing back. However they can't start a minor league game and a major league game at the same time or same day. I think Nascar should limit the amount of entries for a weekend to 1. However give each driver 10 weekends a year with multiple entries at the drivers choosing. If you use up your 10 multiple weekends then that is it. Just 1 entry for all weekends after that.
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This may be a good idea, but I would reduce the number of multiple entry weekends a driver is allowed to have to 5 or 6 a year.
 
The Truck and Nationwide Series are supposed to be proving grounds, a developmental series for younger drivers. Those who couldn't cut it in Cup the first time around could also have an opportunity to sustain a career in racing or earn back a Cup job. Someone like Parker Kligerman could be running for a championship in JGR equipment instead of racing the hand-me-downs the Busch brothers struggled in last year. Ryan Blaney could be getting some more experience in the #22. It's not at all what it's meant to be.
 
Who sez that? Always been cup regulars racing in Busch/nationwide forever. Earnhardt Sr. raced in 136 of them for example. DW 95 races
 
So , let me get this straight.....you guys want to tell Austin Dillon he can't race sprint cars on dirt tracks on his off weekends ? Or stock cars at Myrtle Beach? Or is it just that you don't want Kyle racing in Nationwide?
 
StandOnIt said:
Who sez that? Always been cup regulars racing in Busch/nationwide forever. Earnhardt Sr. raced in 136 of them for example. DW 95 races
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Dale never ran more than 14 times in a single season, DW never more than 12. Last year alone Kyle Busch ran 22, Logano ran 22, Keselowski ran 21. In 2011 Edwards ran 33 (all but one) races. There should at least be a cap.
 
sloggie said:
This is racing, not stick and ball. You bring a car to the track, you qualify, and you race. That's all there is to it.
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Thank you.:cheers: Why do they want to make new rules all the time .I have a hard enough time following the old ones . I thought they wanted Nascar to publish a rule book , but they want new rules every week . Ain't no printer could keep up with that crap.
 
It is just that simple. On the other hand, you come from podunk and qualify..you race. If you only can afford one set of tires, you go until you wear em out.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Straw man. None of those are NASCAR-sanctioned and are out of the governing body's reach.
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OMG thats what I was missing !!!!! OMG ..it's okay if it's not at 'a Nascar-sanctioned event' !!!!...OMG ..how could I have been so stupid not to see the difference !!!!....OMG ..tell Kyle it's ok to race at Pawtucket..you guys are nutz.
 
ted@economy said:
OMG thats what I was missing !!!!! OMG ..it's okay if it's not at 'a Nascar-sanctioned event' !!!!...OMG ..how could I have been so stupid not to see the difference !!!!....OMG ..tell Kyle it's ok to race at Pawtucket..you guys are nutz.
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My point is sailing right over your head. NASCAR has the power to do something with the Nationwide and Truck Series. We could debate whether it's right or wrong for Tony Stewart to run sprint cars at some NY dirt track but ultimately it would mean nothing because nothing could ever be done about it by NASCAR.
 
Honestly I wouldn't have an issue with it if it was only done sparingly and a cup driver didn't win in the lower series most of the time. The whole drivers do it to make a living argument is weak as well. Drivers at the Cup level aren't hurting for money esp. Kyle Busch. it's just greed and maybe yes, love to race.

I would go with the cap idea.. only problem with that is, I wouldn't want a cup driver to replace another driver in the same ride. It would be unfair with that cup driver only running 10 races..
 
hold a race. set the rules for what is legal to run. whoever shows up with a legal car gets to run. the end.
 
Now that Cup guys can't win lower-tier championships, I'm totally fine with it. Take out the Cup guys and I'm sure you'd see a fairly large ratings drop. The only times I watch Nationwide races (when my schedule permits) is when Kurt Busch or Jimmie Johnson are racing. It gives fans an opportunity to watch some of their favorite drivers compete even more, which I think is a good thing for NASCAR as a whole.
 
I would have much less interest in watching a Nationwide race if there were no Cup guys in the race. Look at the difference in the grandstands between Nationwide and Cup and you'll have your answer; the Nationwide guys do not draw the crowds.
 
That's why I think the cap is a good idea. You'd likely have some Cup guys in every NW race, but the field wouldn't be overrun with them every week. I don't think it's a good idea to take Cup guys out of NW completely though. Do that, and you basically have ARCA.
 
BobbyFord said:
I would have much less interest in watching a Nationwide race if there were no Cup guys in the race. Look at the difference in the grandstands between Nationwide and Cup and you'll have your answer; the Nationwide guys do not draw the crowds.
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I think the NNS can stand on its own without Cup drivers, especially if it is still aired by a top network like Fox and NBC. As long as the competition is still there, and it is accessible to the masses I think it can still pull the numbers it pulls now. The top NNS regulars are doing a great job creating great drama and story lines on their own without needing Kyle Busch to stink up the show every Saturday.
 
The problem lately with Nationwide has been too few Cup regulars.
It's a TV show and TV shows need stars.
You can see it with the empty stands and low TV ratings.
This odd desire to limit Nationwide to only no-name drivers will only result in no channel willing to put the race on TV.
It's great that Kyle Busch still wants to race in Nationwide.
And having cup regulars helps the young guys make their name.
I don't understand this perverse idea to turn Nationwide into ARCA.
 
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