Overtime Line moved to S/F

Now they will wait to throw yellows on the front stretch instead. GG
 
They backtracked on one of their stupid ideas? And it's not even April 1st.
 
Thank God the ot line fixed a problem they created by going away from what worked.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
It's a start...

http://www.nascar.com/news-media/2017/08/02/nascar-overtime-line-start-finish-line/

So basically, the same as before, just with unlimited attempts.
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However, the last line of the announcement basically leaves the "because we say so" rule in effect.

"NASCAR’s goal for races is to finish under green; depending on weather, visibility and other unforeseen variables, the sanctioning body can end the race under yellow if it deems necessary."
 
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pjmolo said:
However, the last line of the announcement basically leaves the "because we say so" rule in effect.

"NASCAR’s goal for races is to finish under green; depending on weather, visibility and other unforeseen variables, the sanctioning body can end the race under yellow if it deems necessary."
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I can understand that. There are times when it's reasonable to just end the race... and Indianapolis, IMO, would have fallen under that. If there's a big crash and someone has died in it, that would fall under reasonable cause to end the race too. INDYCAR has had to do this before.

Personally, as much as I am for finishing under green no matter what, but when they have a 45 minute red flag just to clean the track for a two lap overtime finish, I'd put that under it being more reasonable just to end the race as well.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I suspect NASCAR just couldn't find a sponsor for the O/T line.

Good riddance. It's a good first step toward tossing the entire O/T concept.
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Sad, but his probably what it came down too
 
Couldn't care less about this.
 
a discussion I had with my father concerning GWC finishes:

stupidity reigns supreme for one reason:

most of the mega teams and their drivers could care less about tearing up equipment because they don't have to rebuild the carnage and budgets say it's worth it.

so let's hear the whine about xfinity/truck owners losing money. re-learn to race on a budget like the rest of the world.

JMO
 
NASCAR Apologist said:
How cool would it be if we got to see a race with ten Overtime attempts!
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I ain't signing on to 10 way cool restarts, until they start using a lottery system to award the restart positions, on the even numbered restarts
 
Snappy D said:
Changing those rules mid season is the definition of NASCAR leadership at its finest.
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It's kind of damned if they do or damned if they don't. We can either bitch about the rule or bitch about their attempt at fixing what was broken. I think it's good that they are attempting to correct it and much better than letting the failed idea continue.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's kind of damned if they do or damned if they don't. We can either bitch about the rule or bitch about their attempt at fixing what was broken. I think it's good that they are attempting to correct it and much better than letting the failed idea continue.
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I feel it was a pretty stupid rule to begin with and so bad they had to change it at mid season, it's comical. But no more racing to a line on the backstretch, start/finish line is end all be all. Which is good
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I wonder how many drivers feel potentially cheated out of making a last ditch move for the win due to the OT line being moved mid season.
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They are used to the nonsense by now ...... thankfully they make millions and probably DGAF any more
 
Why have an overtime line? Once the race restarts after the advertised distance, the next flag ends the race. With unlimited restarts the end of the race could become a survival ordeal.
 
Alrighty then. This is better IMO. Just about everyone and myself hates it when they can't race to the checkers. Still, finishing the race naturally even if under caution would be acceptable to me after dealing with the craziness for several years.
 
Zerkfitting said:
Why have an overtime line? Once the race restarts after the advertised distance, the next flag ends the race.
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The problem with this is what Harvick did at Talladega in 2015. It creates the opportunity for a repeat of that fiasco.
 
I never understood the need for an OT line and why they placed them where they did. Glad it's gone.
 
LewTheShoe said:
The problem with this is what Harvick did at Talladega in 2015. It creates the opportunity for a repeat of that fiasco.
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I forgot about that. As I recall Harvick got past the leader (Martin) before the caution was called. He stole the win (wrong word - he won under the rules). But under the GWC, a number of races have been stolen from the leader.

I think they should close pit road near the end of the race to prevent teams from taking advantage of a GWC situation. It bothers me when the leader has a big lead a couple laps from the end of the race and a caution happens, then everyone behind him gets new tires.
 
LewTheShoe said:
The problem with this is what Harvick did at Talladega in 2015. It creates the opportunity for a repeat of that fiasco.
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beg to differ, all it would take is a black flag, and besides that the odds of something like that happening again is pretty slim. What they got rid of won't be missed by this fan.
 
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dpkimmel2001 said:
It's kind of damned if they do or damned if they don't. We can either bitch about the rule or bitch about their attempt at fixing what was broken. I think it's good that they are attempting to correct it and much better than letting the failed idea continue.
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I agree it's good they're attempting to fix it, but they ought to stick with the existing rule for the entire season. Changing the rule mid-season isn't fair to the teams that made it through the last 'restart' at Indianapolis, or any other race where a caution came out between the restart line and the S/F line. By the new rule, that wasn't a restart and those teams should have had another chance at winning.

NASCAR should have announced that the line would be moved at the start of the 2018 season. This is like the NFL announcing after Week 10 that OT will now last an entire extra quarter instead of sudden death. But then, NASCAR should have tested the entire 'Restart Line' concept in Truck series for an entire season. Instead, they instituted it as a knee-jerk reaction to Harvick's Talladega "one restart" non-restart (which was itself a reaction to G-W-C issues on plate tracks).
 
LewTheShoe said:
The problem with this is what Harvick did at Talladega in 2015. It creates the opportunity for a repeat of that fiasco.
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I still have no problem with what Harvick did. The procedure was changed in the middle of the race, and that procedure change was basically going to eliminate Harvick from the championship.

Since stick-and-ball comparisons piss everyone off here, I'm going to do it anyway.

It would be like an NFL game going into overtime, and then one team scoring a touchdown to win the game, and the NFL deciding on the spot to change the rules to allow the other team to score a touchdown.

Besides, I'm still not convinced Harvick intentionally did anything. Don't know how someone who is down on power and blowing up can miraculously cause a wreck at the same time. I mean, sort of like that time Harvick was out of gas and Logano claimed Harvick, who had no power, tried to wreck him.
 
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