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It is if you are the cause of the caution. Hamlin was not the cause of the caution. So all this talk about "involved in the crash" is bs.

Either NASCAR invented a new rule on the fly (like they've never done that before:sarcasm:) or they were trying to keep Hamlin a lap down.

Either way, that whole situation smelled.

Yeh i agree, thought that was kind of weird when they said that.:confused:
 
I've looked all over the place for this rule explained by someone that actually has something to do with NASCAR and can't find it anywhere. Does anyone have a link? I've seen the rule explained that you have to be the cause of the caution to not be eligible and I've also seen the rule explained that you only have to be involved in the caution to not be eligible. Everyone has their own idea as to what the rule is but post a link if you can find it.
 
Some stuff on the Lucky Dog, from Jayski's:

Lucky Dog Pass 2007 Update: the Lucky Dog rule won't change this year. One limit that's been implemented involves drivers who have been penalized. If a lead-lap car is involved in an accident with another driver, and NASCAR makes a discretionary call that it's rough driving, they will hold that driver for a one-lap penalty. For the remainder of the race, the driver can't make up that lap by virtue of the free pass. The driver would have to make up that lap by driving by the leader on the race track under green. If the driver goes another lap down, they can make up that lap with the Lucky Dog.(FoxSports)(2-2-2007)


Lucky Dog Update: when asked about the Lucky Dog/Free pass being used at Infineon Raceway this past weekend, Larry McReynolds answers: "NASCAR installed the free pass back this year. It was not something that they did just before this race. They made that decision over the winter with the four road course races, two in Busch and two in Cup. But you're right. Last year, they did not have the free pass on road courses."(FoxSports)(6-29-2005)


CHANGES? to my surprise....the Lucky Dog / Lap Back rule was used at the road course at Infineon Raceway. In 2004, the rule was NOT used at the road course, however, I guess that changed and was not announced [for some reason]. No where did I see this mentioned before hand that is was changing, even Fox said there would be none, then started reporting it. Was told by some of the TV/Radio broadcasters, they were not told, it just 'happened'. I have the 'official' list and it is now posted.(6-27-2005)


No More Lucky Dog? NASCAR is contemplating dropping the so-called "lucky dog" rule implemented last season after racing back to the start-finish line under caution was outlawed. The rule allows the first driver a lap down when a caution comes out to get back onto the lead lap. NASCAR vice president Jim Hunter said the rule has created confusion among fans and, at times, the competitors.(USA Today)(11-16-2004)


Yellow Rule Change: NASCAR made another slight adjustment to procedures under caution, announcing during Sunday's prerace drivers meeting that pit road would remain closed the first time by under each caution. The rule will take effect immediately and for all three of NASCAR's top series - Nextel Cup, Busch and Trucks.
"We're going to leave pit road closed and it's purely to make the environment safer and at the same time keep it fair competitive-wise," NASCAR President Mike Helton said. Helton said the move would help prevent the drivers from feeling the need to speed and catch up with the car in front of them, so as not to lose a competitive advantage when heading to pit road.
"If it means we have to leave it closed two laps, like at Darlington and Bristol, then we'll do that," he said. "So, if we bust you because we think you're going to fast (under caution), then you can't point back at us."
NASCAR also gave the drivers another warning regarding inappropriate language, citing a recent radio station's fine for airing profanity on a talk show. "If those things happen in our sport, we will not pay the fine. We'll pay it, but then we will come collect it," he said.(ThatsRacin.com)(3-14-2004)


'Lucky Dog' rule....explained NASCAR President Mike Helton on Sunday issued a stern warning to drivers not to race back to the caution and clarified the sanctioning body's position on allowing a lap back to the first car not on the lead lap. "I'm warning you drivers, crew chiefs, owners, spotters and whoever else has a role in this, if we are under the impression that you are racing back or still hauling it when the yellow comes out, then we're going to put you on pit road," Helton said at Sunday's pre-race drivers meeting. "When the yellow comes out, you don't race back. You don't have to worry about looking in your mirror and wondering if a guy is going to come around you. If they do, we're going to get them. If we get them, they'll end up on pit road and be black-flagged and I don't know yet how long they'll stay there." Last season NASCAR eliminated the practice of allowing cars to race back to the caution flag, enacting a rule freezing the field when a caution is displayed. Helton also announced a clarification for circumstances that unfolded in Saturday's Busch race, when NASCAR decided to put the car receiving a lap back under caution to the tail end of the lead lap, rather than the tail end of the longest line, which it had done previously. Helton said after a review that officials decided they will place that car at the tail end of the longest line, regardless of the circumstances of the caution. "Yesterday we had a couple of cases of cautions coming out during green-flag stops. A lot of it has to do with circumstances," Helton said. "There is a car that will get a free pass and move on. That car is determined when the caution comes out. What happens after that doesn't make any difference. We did that a couple different ways yesterday and I apologize profusely." Helton admitted there may be times when putting the car receiving its lap back at the tail end of the longest line may appear to allow that driver to gain positions on the track. Those instances, he said, are the result of cars pitting, not from the mere instance of putting the affected car on the tail end of the longest line.(ThatsRacin.com)(3-7-2004)
 
Jr. can't drive, Jimmie can.
It's simple marketing.


HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THAT

i'm really not a jr fan but 18 cup wins (on EVERY type track from short to long ) and 2 busch championships

may be that you could give him some driving lessons:sarcasm:
 
HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THAT

i'm really not a jr fan but 18 cup wins (on EVERY type track from short to long ) and 2 busch championships

may be that you could give him some driving lessons:sarcasm:

How many wins has Jr. had while driving the same equipment as Jimmie Johnson???
 
How many wins has Jr. had while driving the same equipment as Jimmie Johnson???

You have a good point there. Jimmie has always drove top equipment and won. Jr drove lower tier equipment (DEI) and won, but only won what once(?) for HMS. I don't think he forgot how to drive when he got there. :rolleyes:
 
face it folks jr is driving the 25 car and only 1 time in it's history did it perform well and that was when Tim Richmond was driving it like it or not jr is not driving the same caliber car as johnson or gordon for that matter.

by the way jr aint the only HMS driver that ain't winin there is this 4X champ that ain't won in over a year also but since jr's last name starts with an E i guess he just can't drive.
 
face it folks jr is driving the 25 car and only 1 time in it's history did it perform well and that was when Tim Richmond was driving it like it or not jr is not driving the same caliber car as johnson or gordon for that matter.

by the way jr aint the only HMS driver that ain't winin there is this 4X champ that ain't won in over a year also but since jr's last name starts with an E i guess he just can't drive.

:beerbang:
 
face it folks jr is driving the 25 car and only 1 time in it's history did it perform well and that was when Tim Richmond was driving it like it or not jr is not driving the same caliber car as johnson or gordon for that matter.

by the way jr aint the only HMS driver that ain't winin there is this 4X champ that ain't won in over a year also but since jr's last name starts with an E i guess he just can't drive.

But like you said, the "other" driver has 4 Championships. Jr. has none.
 
Update..... Fines & Penalties handed out.

Whitney Mtspts crew chief Thomas Tucker, car chief Richard Boga, team manager Tony Furr indefinitely suspended for illegal A-frames.

The lower A-Frames were filled with weight pellets. 50 points and $50,000 fine for 46 team in addition to suspensions.

Whitney Motorsports will appeal the suspensions.
 

More detail.....

NASCAR has issued penalties to the #46 team that competes in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series as a result of rule infractions discovered during opening day inspection Oct. 29 at Talladega Superspeedway. The #46 car was found to be in violation of Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-J (any determination by NASCAR officials that the race equipment used in the event does not conform to NASCAR required rules); and 20-2.3A (unapproved added weight location and unapproved added weight – lower A-frames were filled with weight pellets) of the 2010 NASCAR rule book. Crew chief Thomas Tucker has been fined $50,000 and indefinitely suspended from NASCAR. Car chief Richard Boga and team manager Tony Furr have also been indefinitely suspended from NASCAR. Driver Michael McDowell and car owner Dusty Whitney have been penalized with the loss of 50 championship driver and owner points, respectively.
 
Frankly, I don't think their argument holds much weight. :growl:

Even more detail.....

Whitney Motorsports will appeal the suspensions issued as part of its penalty for having weight pellets in the lower A-frames of its No. 46 Chevrolet on opening-day inspection last week at Talladega Superspeedway.

The appeal will be heard Tuesday morning, team owner Dusty Whitney said Friday at Texas Motor Speedway.

NASCAR issued indefinite suspensions to Sprint Cup Series crew chief Thomas Tucker, car chief Richard Boga and team manager Tony Furr. The suspensions have been deferred pending appeal.

Tucker was fined $50,000 while driver Michael McDowell and owner Whitney were penalized 50 points in the driver and owner standings.

“They said indefinite on some of the suspensions of the team members, so I would just like a little more clarity and make sure it’s fair,” said Whitney, whose No. 46 entry has qualified for 19 of the 33 races and whose No. 81 car has qualified for the two races in which it has been entered.

“[Suspending] the team manager, it hits hard a little bit on a small team that is struggling to stay alive. We’ve done a good job this year, I think, for NASCAR putting on a show. We’re here to race and not to take NASCAR’s money. We do have to stay inside their box and make sure we do things right.”

NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Director John Darby said the fine was consistent with other fines for illegal weight and the suspensions were a ramping up of the penalties to try to curtail a trend of teams playing with weight.

Whitney Motorsports also violated the rule stating that added weight needs to be in at least a 5-pound block.

“Typically when we see a trend or some movement in that type of direction, we’ll ramp [the penalties] up,” Darby said. “The suspensions fit this one pretty easily. … A more important part of the penalty is the fact that the added weight was in the form of pellets or BBs. That’s a whole other world. As quickly as they can be poured in, they can be drained out.”

Darby said the size of the team is not taken into consideration when the penalty is issued.

“You can’t have a sliding scale because then you’re speculating at best [on size of teams],” Darby said. “The reason we use points and/or suspensions because that value is the same to everybody.”

Whitney Motorsports was penalized earlier this year for an engine issue that Whitney said the engine builder took responsibility for, but he said he understands the team violated a rule at Talladega.

“We were definitely doing something we shouldn’t have, but the severity of the penalty is the main thing,” Whitney said. “It’s pretty much half of my team. I have about 10 full-time employees.”

The team entered Cup this year with Terry Cook behind the wheel at the start of the season. J.J. Yeley also has driven several times for the team. The No. 46 car is 42nd in the owner standings.

“It’s been a learning experience this year,” Whitney said. “Next year, we can go into it a lot stronger than this year. We have some potential sponsors and talking to different manufacturers. There are a lot of possibilities next year. We’ll keep digging hard. That’s all we can do.”
 
Dang fools, everybody knows you get lead shot and apply gentle heat to the A-arm so it fuses together and the pellets don't drop out.

Well, doesn't everyone know that?



nevermind
 
Dang fools, everybody knows you get lead shot and apply gentle heat to the A-arm so it fuses together and the pellets don't drop out.

Well, doesn't everyone know that?



nevermind

DW apparently didn't know that. :D
 
What a surprise!

NASCAR panel denies Whitney Motorsports appeal

The NASCAR appeals board denied an appeal Tuesday of Whitney Motorsports for suspensions and fines issued for having lead pellets inside its lower A-frames in opening-day inspection last month at Talladega Superspeedway.

NASCAR issued indefinite suspensions to No. 46 team manager Tony Furr, crew chief Thomas Tucker and car chief Richard Boga as well as a 50-point penalty to the team and driver Michael McDowell and a $50,000 fine to Tucker. The suspensions were deferred pending appeal.

The appeal was heard Tuesday by three members of the National Stock Car Racing Appeals Panel – Caraway (N.C.) Speedway owner Russell Hackett, Bowman-Gray (N.C.) Stadium operator Dale Pinilis and former team owner Robert Yates.

Whitney can make one final appeal to the John Middlebrook, NASCAR’s National Stock Car Racing Chief Appellate Officer.
 
Dang fools, everybody knows you get lead shot and apply gentle heat to the A-arm so it fuses together and the pellets don't drop out.

Well, doesn't everyone know that? Well you and I maybe and some of the experts, but I guess they didn't get the memo! :D



nevermind
 
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