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•NASCAR takes part from 48 car: NASCAR officials confiscated a drive-shaft cover from Jimmie Johnson's #48 Lowe's Chevy before the race. According to a NASCAR source, officials just asked the team to replace a part and it wasn't a serious matter.(NASCAR This Week)(10-25-2010)

Bullchit
 
mike honcho said:
•NASCAR takes part from 48 car: NASCAR officials confiscated a drive-shaft cover from Jimmie Johnson's #48 Lowe's Chevy before the race. According to a NASCAR source, officials just asked the team to replace a part and it wasn't a serious matter.(NASCAR This Week)(10-25-2010)

Bullchit
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Hey come on now.....you should no by now the 48 plays by a different set of rules.;)
 
If the part was confiscated, it was illegal and a penalty follows. End of story.

I don't buy in to this conspiracy crap, but it's starting to look like NASCAR wants the JJ era to continue.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
If the part was confiscated, it was illegal and a penalty follows. End of story.

I don't buy in to this conspiracy crap, but it's starting to look like NASCAR wants the JJ era to continue.
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I guess we will see tomorrow.My guess is they will say it's not a performance enhancing part so no penalty.Anybody else have a guess what it will be?????????
 
mike honcho said:
I guess we will see tomorrow.My guess is they will say it's not a performance enhancing part so no penalty.Anybody else have a guess what it will be?????????
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Whatever it is, I'm sure people will be *****ing about it.
 
mike honcho said:
I guess we will see tomorrow.My guess is they will say it's not a performance enhancing part so no penalty.Anybody else have a guess what it will be?????????
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burgers and beer compliments of hms for the rest of the year.
 
I heard Dr. Jerry Punch say on the radio the cover was too heavy to get weight lower on the car and they were told to replace it.
 
Does anybody remember what the fine/penalty was for the illegal radiator pans earlier this year?I think this should draw the same.
 
mike honcho said:
Does anybody remember what the fine/penalty was for the illegal radiator pans earlier this year?I think this should draw the same.
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From Jayski:
NASCAR has issued penalties to the #13, #47, #00 and #56 teams that compete in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series as a result of rule violations committed at Texas Motor Speedway last week. Robert “Bootie” Barker, crew chief of the #13 team, and Frank Kerr, crew chief of the #47 team, have each been fined $75,000 and placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31 for violating Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 20-2.3A (unapproved added weight); 20-7 (all engine cooling system components must be approved by NASCAR prior to being used in competition); and 20-7.3A (radiator mount; failure to submit components) of the 2010 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series rule book.
Car owners Robert Germain (#13) and Tad Geschickter (#47) have each been penalized with the loss of 50 championship owner points for violating Sections 12-1 and 20-2.3A. Drivers Max Papis (#13) and Marcos Ambrose (#47) have each been penalized with the loss of 50 championship driver points for violating Sections 12-1 and 20-2.3A.
Rodney Childers, crew chief of the #00 team, and Pat Tryson, crew chief of the #56 team, have each been fined $25,000 and placed on probation until Dec. 31 for violating Sections 12-1; 20-7; and 20-7.3A. All of these violations occurred during post-qualifying inspection on April 16.(NASCAR)(4-21-2010)
 
MRM said:
I heard Dr. Jerry Punch say on the radio the cover was too heavy to get weight lower on the car and they were told to replace it.
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If that's the case, there should be a penalty. The whole "no big deal" plea by NASCAR sounds like complete crap. I'm sure they'll also claim something about "not wanting something like this to affect the outcome of the chase" or some such nonsense, if they even address it at all.
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On SNR it was reported that it was nothing more than a cover that had cracks where the bolt holes were located. They were told that it needed to be replaced. Sounds like a no story.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
On SNR it was reported that it was nothing more than a cover that had cracks where the bolt holes were located. They were told that it needed to be replaced. Sounds like a no story.
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It's only a story because #48 was involved and many people don't want him to win #5.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
On SNR it was reported that it was nothing more than a cover that had cracks where the bolt holes were located. They were told that it needed to be replaced. Sounds like a no story.
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I find it very hard to believe they put a part that was cracked on the 48 car.and if it was just cracked why did they confiscate it????????????
 
mike honcho said:
I find it very hard to believe they put a part that was cracked on the 48 car.and if it was just cracked why did they confiscate it????????????
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No doubt. I do not believe the crew would send a car to pre-race inspection with a cracked part. How did the part get cracked; during installation and the installer didn't notice??? Highly unlikely. How did the part get cracked before the car had been run?? I do not believe the cracked part (BS) story.
 
So whats the real story? I've seen that it was a weight issue and now someone is saying it was cracked.

I have nothing against JJ winning #5 in a row but this does seem a little questionable.
 
Stewart Fan said:
If they don't take any points away how can anyone still think Nascar doesn't favor the #48?
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But on the other hand, this could be nothing more than ESPN trying to stir up controversy. Others have done it before them....

Howeverm NASCAR does need to address this, but it may already be too late.
 
BobbyFord said:
No doubt. I do not believe the crew would send a car to pre-race inspection with a cracked part. How did the part get cracked; during installation and the installer didn't notice??? Highly unlikely. How did the part get cracked before the car had been run?? I do not believe the cracked part (BS) story.
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Niether do i, but I'm sure nascar will come up with some explanation to justify its' actions.:sarcasm:
 
VaDirt said:
But on the other hand, this could be nothing more than ESPN trying to stir up controversy. Others have done it before them....

Howeverm NASCAR does need to address this, but it may already be too late.
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Or it could be Nascar trying to stir the pot because of the poor ratings.
 
I don't ever recall Na$car taking a part off a car in pre race insp and saying "no big deal, no penalty".

Everham said the part was of a heavier guage metal and while it would lower the center of gravity a miniscule amount it wouldn't neccessarily enhance performance. bull <cough> t
 
UPDATE: NASCAR discovered stress cracks in the cover and simply asked the team to replace it.(ESPN.com(10-26-2010)
 
:confused:pre-race stress cracks that the crew didn't notice:confused:
The car IS under a lot stress and turbulence on the perilous journey out of the hauler
 
BobbyFord said:
:confused:pre-race stress cracks that the crew didn't notice:confused:
The car IS under a lot stress and turbulence on the perilous journey out of the hauler
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Yeah, this whole thing smells. If NASCAR only asked them to replace it, that'd be one thing. But they confiscated the part.

As for the "it didn't enhance performance so no penalty" crap, NASCAR even said the rear-bumper problem Bowyer had did not enhance performance.

Definite double standard.
 
Wow. It is really hard to concentrate while reading this thread with all of the black helicopters hovering above. Seriously, what could NASCAR possibly have to gain in not penalizing the 48 team for a rules infraction? They'd have to have a reason for letting a penalty slide, right?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Wow. It is really hard to concentrate while reading this thread with all of the black helicopters hovering above. Seriously, what could NASCAR possibly have to gain in not penalizing the 48 team for a rules infraction? They'd have to have a reason for letting a penalty slide, right?
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Come on dude, you damn well know NASCAR has always been inconsistent with penalties. They park certain drivers for intentionally causing wrecks, while letting others collect victories. Remember, Leffler was parked at Nashville but Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards weren't for doing the exact same thing?

The weight of penalties has always been determined by who you are. And that's not just NASCAR, it's everywhere.

So you can take that "black helicopters" comment and stick it where the sun don't shine. :)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Wow. It is really hard to concentrate while reading this thread with all of the black helicopters hovering above. Seriously, what could NASCAR possibly have to gain in not penalizing the 48 team for a rules infraction? They'd have to have a reason for letting a penalty slide, right?
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OPEN YOUR EYES.......Because they Love Ricks Azz.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Come on dude, you damn well know NASCAR has always been inconsistent with penalties. They park certain drivers for intentionally causing wrecks, while letting others collect victories. Remember, Leffler was parked at Nashville but Kyle Busch and Carl Edwards weren't for doing the exact same thing?

The weight of penalties has always been determined by who you are. And that's not just NASCAR, it's everywhere.

So you can take that "black helicopters" comment and stick it where the sun don't shine. :)
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Not really an answer then, I guess.
 
Here is the problem I have:

Evernaham says it was confiscated because it was heavier gage metal.

Dr. Jerry Punch says the cover was too heavy so to get weight lower on the car they were told to replace it.

NASCAR said they told them to replace it because it had stress cracks.


Who do you guys believe?
 
chromehorn said:
Here is the problem I have:

Evernaham says it was confiscated because it was heavier gage metal.

Dr. Jerry Punch says the cover was too heavy so to get weight lower on the car they were told to replace it.

NASCAR said they told them to replace it because it had stress cracks.


Who do you guys believe?
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At this point, I'm more likely to believe Evernham and Dr. Punch. If it was replaced because of stress cracks, the part wouldn't have been confiscated and this would be a non-story. The fact that it was confiscated makes this story smell.

As I stated, NASCAR said Bowyer's bumper wasn't a competitive advantage either. Yet he got taken out of contention for the championship.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
At this point, I'm more likely to believe Evernham and Dr. Punch. If it was replaced because of stress cracks, the part wouldn't have been confiscated and this would be a non-story. The fact that it was confiscated makes this story smell.

As I stated, NASCAR said Bowyer's bumper wasn't a competitive advantage either. Yet he got taken out of contention for the championship.
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Bingo.
 
If indeed this is a non story of nothing more than a cracked part, NASCAR should have stated that up front. They shouldn't have just put out that "a part was taken from the 48 and they were told to replace it" since all that will do, especially in this case, is cause a fracas (as evident by this thread.)

That being said, this could also be nothing more than a bunch of kneee jerk reaction from the internet NASCAR experts...

just sayin'
 
If it's not a big deal then why was the part confiscated and sent to NASCAR's R&D dept.?

"...Jimmie Johnson saw his lead over Denny Hamlin shrink to 6 Points in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Standings following Hamlin’s win in the Tums Fast Relief 50 at Martinsville Sunday.
That lead may vanish altogether by Tuesday if NASCAR issues a penalty for a part that was confiscated from the No. 48 Chevrolet before the race started.
Prior to the race NASCAR confiscated a drive shaft cover from the No. 48 Chevrolet of Jimmie Johnson. The part is headed back to NASCAR’s Research & Development in Charlotte.
If the part is found illegal will they issue a penalty or let it slide? A drive shaft cover seems like a pretty insignificant part as far as a competitive advantage goes. But remember that Clint Bowyer was docked 100 Championship Points a few weeks ago for an height infraction that amounted to about the thickness of a quarter.
That penalty cost Bowyer the lead in the Championship standings. Will Jimmie Johnson get the same call?
In the media center after the race Johnson pleaded ignorance about the part in question. “I don’t know what you’re speaking about, to be honest with you. Is this before or after, Johnson asked. When told it was a pre-race issue Johnson responded: “I don’t have a clue. Not my job, man, as Juan would say...“

"...Here’s a look at penalties handed out to teams for pre-race part violations in the Sprint Cup Series in 2010:

~At Texas, Max Papis and Marcos Ambrose were each penalized 50 points for illegal lower radiator pans discovered in post-qualifying inspection. The parts in question never saw the track during the race.

~ At Darlington, Michael McDowell was penalized 25 points for an illegal rear gear discovered in post-qualifying inspection. The part in question never saw the track during the race.

~ At Pocono, Travis Kvapil was penalized 150 points for illegal bleeder valves on the tires discovered before Kvapil rolled onto the track to take the green flag. The parts in question never saw the track during the race.

In all three instances, the parts in question never saw any sort of on-track action during the race. Even still, the teams were docked points for possessing parts that NASCAR did not feel were fit to race; as was the case with Johnson on Sunday at Martinsville.
It looks like NASCAR has put the matter to bed, but it probably shouldn’t. It’s only fair that Johnson, regardless of his status in the Chase for the Sprint Cup, should face the same sort of penalties as the teams mentioned above..."
 
So far no words from Nascar or the R&D. Weren't we suppose to hear something about this today?
 
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