Penalties For Blocking??
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dpkimmel2001
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I think that is an absolutely horrible idea. It would be yet another judgment call like the yellow line rule.
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SlowNeasy
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i don't understand how robin made it through grade school without learning you don't have to go from 33 to 0 degrees. there are a couple of other choices, like 1-32 degrees, that would slow the track down and hopefully eliminate the need for restrictor plates. the tracks are wide enough for good racing without the enhanced speeds.
I say they make it 35 degrees and have the coke 600 there.
Just kidding....If the NASCAR people are reading this, i'm only kidding. Even though we know you think it's a great idea.
Just kidding....If the NASCAR people are reading this, i'm only kidding. Even though we know you think it's a great idea.
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Digger
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I love how he says they're the most exciting races of the year.
Perhaps Mr. Pemberton should go talk to the guys at the body shop or the safety crews who have to cut people out of racecars or drivers who are hospitalized or the wives of the drivers who are on the pit box and all but having a heart attack what they all think of the plate races.
I'm sure the answer would be close to anonymous (minus Keselowski, who wouldn't have been near the top 30 if they didn't have plates, and Waltrip who would've never won a race without the plates).
dpkimmel2001
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Wrecks happen. They happen at all tracks. This wouldn't even be a topic of discussion today if it were not for what happened at the end of that race. Drivers can get hurt ant any track on any given weekend. Some of us hate that track and there are others of us that like the races there. I like the track and I like the racing there.
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BigdaddyQH
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What Pemberton means is that there is the greatest chance of having a huge wreck, and this is what excites people. He is just afraid to tell it like it is. They will never change Talladega because if the "big ones" do not happen, Talladega loses a large part of it's attraction. Now before anyone goes off the deep end in here, I am not saying that ALL fans watch the Talladega races to see a wreck, but the fact is that many do. The wrecks are the only thing that break up the monotony of watching those races. Hockey will never ban fighting. Nascar will never get rid of plate racing because they want the big wrecks. It is one way of keeping their dwindling fan base. Nothing more exciting that to see 20 cars pile up and watch the reruns about 25 times. I think Edwards and Jimmy Johnson summed it up very well. Edwards said that they will keep running like this until someone gets killed. Johnson simply said that racing at Talladega "sucks". I do not think you will find many drivers that disagree.
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Mopardh9
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The way I see it there are two viable solutions here, either change the engine configuration or take Dega and Daytona off the schedule. We all know that the latter won't happen, so Nascar in their infinite wisdom will tinker with the spoiler angles, plate sizes, and roof deflectors to once again not solve the problem.
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Mopardh9
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One thing is different in the equation and that is these 2 tracks, Dega and Daytona run plates, which totally changes the racing or lack of.
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Digger
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Problem is, certain drivers get away with certain things.
They refused to black flag Hamlin and Vickers for passing below the yellow line. Said it would've caused a wreck if they had let up or stayed above the yellow (and Regan Smith wouldn't have?
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It all depends on who's passing/blocking who.
They refused to black flag Hamlin and Vickers for passing below the yellow line. Said it would've caused a wreck if they had let up or stayed above the yellow (and Regan Smith wouldn't have?
)It all depends on who's passing/blocking who.
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basscatcher89
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might as well start calling it the NorthAmerica F1 series then if they are gonna start penalizing for blocking. You think NASCAR has ever gone to see a real race?
buckaroo
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Andy, you talk as though you are one of the owners. Quite honestly, most of us here don't value your opinion very much as it's very immature. If you don't think the racing at Taladega isn't exciting, you just don't understand what the word means. It's funny how you love ARCA so much but have such ill feelings towards NASCAR. You really should compare the two.
Blocking at Taladega and Daytona is the most dangerous part of racing in NASCAR's Cup series. Other series have a rule against it and it's easy to judge. Yes, there is a certain judgment issue about blocking, but just as it is with porn, you know it when you see it. I will tell you for certain, had Carl Edwards not tried to block on that last lap, there wouldn't have been a wreck, AND Carl wouldn't have finished the first car a lap down. Blocking has to be outlawed at plate tracks.
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I agree on the blocking thing and have stated it many times. Agressive blocking like we see at Dega and Daytona have no place in racing. I wonder how long it will take when we see Kyle shooting from one side of the track to the other before we see someone punt him into the wall or worse. And he is only one of many.
Uhh.....sunday, Jeff Burton did exactly that, because Kyle did exactly that.
finally.
i was glad somebody spun the kid..my dad was like "He's going to cause a wreck" and when i saw him cut off JEff Burton like i did, I said "You don't piss off Mr. Nice guy..." and not long after Kyle was going the right way, facing the wrong way, and quickly.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZB5wEUQQESorry guy, I missed much of the race.
now while i can't exactly agree with bump drafting in the turns, Kyle got what he deserved...just a shame Truex was part of it.
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Mopardh9
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Wrong buck ....plates have to be outlawed then there would not be the blocking issue we have today. Cars would be able to get away from each other, accelerate like they should, not travel in huge 20-30 car packs, and making the racing more dangerous than it should be. Eliminate the packs you cut the danger factor at least in half. Nascar won't do this though, they won't go to a smaller engine configuration, less horsepower, no plate, they like this kind of racing. But this almost bit them in the ass Sunday with Edwards car flying up into the catch fence. Honestly, if there were no plates and these cars were not traveling in huge packs, do you think we would have had the incident like Sundays'? Cut the speed down a little make the cars less likely to get air born .....all this could be done without having restrictor plate motors. Nascar likes the so called "excitement" the restrictor plate racing generates, they like the fact that more people tune in for the "the big one". I for one despise plate racing, I feel it is just asking for trouble. I bet if you asked every one of the 43 drivers before that race on Sunday they would give you the same answer....they hate it. It is not racing, if and when Nascar wakes up to the fact that they need to do a 180 on this instead filling their greedy wallets, we will have this "fake" racing that most of you think is exciting. I'm actually a little surprised that you Buck of all people here, like this sort of racing. I consider you a purist, but maybe I was wrong.
buckaroo
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Mopar, while it's true that I'm a sort of purist in the sport of autoracing, I'm also a fan who loves the excitement of the danger that is out there. Yes, if I were a driver or owner or a crew member or personally connected to any of those cars, I probably wouldn't like it, but that isn't the case. Here's an example. Last Saturday night was the opener for Bowman Gray Stadium. You are a modified fan so you will understand a bit what I'm going to say. The first modified race of the season was a 200 lapper on that totally flat 1/4 mile track. Pole qualifying time was 13.2 seconds. Once the race started and the cars formed a single file, the lap time dropped to more than 14.5 seconds and even the worst car out there kept up with the single file. Talk about boring racing, but there is a new rule this year that has all restarts double file, but it isn't lined up as they are running. When they give the one to go, cars have the option to move to the outside or stay on the inside. Now that new rule made the second half of the race exciting, but it also took out half the field with various wrecks etc. With the exception of those top cars that survived, the other drivers and owners hate this new rule. But even Tony Stewart was wowed by the fact that the stadium was packed with well over 17,000 people. Yes, carnage can bring in the fans, but it's also the excitement of watching your car trying to get to the front, where it's mostly the safest.
Mopar, I absolutely hate follow the leader racing and that is what would happen at both Daytona and Taladega if they removed the plates. The only real exciting racing then would be on the last lap and of course, unless you are at the track to see the entire field, TV would only show the front of the field hoping that someone would slingshot past another driver. Until that time, most of those drivers out there would simply be points driving. And that my friend is the second thing that I hate about racing.
Mopar, I absolutely hate follow the leader racing and that is what would happen at both Daytona and Taladega if they removed the plates. The only real exciting racing then would be on the last lap and of course, unless you are at the track to see the entire field, TV would only show the front of the field hoping that someone would slingshot past another driver. Until that time, most of those drivers out there would simply be points driving. And that my friend is the second thing that I hate about racing.
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Eagle1
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Well gee Buck, just because you have a different opinion, #1 you're wrong, and #2 your not a purist. 
Sorry, IMHO you may have some good points, but using this accident to make your argument just don't prove your points.
This accident was not caused by pack racing, it was cause by a driver making a wrong decision and trying to intimidate a rookie and blocking him. There was only 2 cars running side by side there and had Edwards kept a straight line would have raced within inches apart across the finish line.
IMHO this was just as smart a move as Carl made a year or so ago slamming the wall passing Jimmy thinking he was going to ride the wall and win the race because he had done it in video racing. I'll bet this move worked for him in the game too, but they don't always work in real life.
Secondly it is not the RP that made that car fly, had nothing to do with a large pack of cars. The fact is we've seen cars flip, roll and lift at other tracks also, but the safety features settle the car back down without going completely airborne, and this car was doing just that too, but at just the right instance Newman's car came by, got under the back end and threw it back into the air. IF a car was hit that same way at a flat out speed at any track, I believe that car would have gone airborne too.
I don't care much for RP racing, and we had a couple messy wrecks that didn't need to happen because of it but in MY Opinion trying to use this particular accident to make your argument against RP racing just does not hold water. Again, that is my opinion and I think mine is just as good as anyone else s and I'll be keeping it regardless of who agrees or disagrees.
Sorry, IMHO you may have some good points, but using this accident to make your argument just don't prove your points.
This accident was not caused by pack racing, it was cause by a driver making a wrong decision and trying to intimidate a rookie and blocking him. There was only 2 cars running side by side there and had Edwards kept a straight line would have raced within inches apart across the finish line.
IMHO this was just as smart a move as Carl made a year or so ago slamming the wall passing Jimmy thinking he was going to ride the wall and win the race because he had done it in video racing. I'll bet this move worked for him in the game too, but they don't always work in real life.
Secondly it is not the RP that made that car fly, had nothing to do with a large pack of cars. The fact is we've seen cars flip, roll and lift at other tracks also, but the safety features settle the car back down without going completely airborne, and this car was doing just that too, but at just the right instance Newman's car came by, got under the back end and threw it back into the air. IF a car was hit that same way at a flat out speed at any track, I believe that car would have gone airborne too.
I don't care much for RP racing, and we had a couple messy wrecks that didn't need to happen because of it but in MY Opinion trying to use this particular accident to make your argument against RP racing just does not hold water. Again, that is my opinion and I think mine is just as good as anyone else s and I'll be keeping it regardless of who agrees or disagrees.
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BigdaddyQH
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Edwards flip had nothing to do with RP racing, so let's make sure and separate the two. As far as RP racing is concerned, my 15 year old grand daughter could run in one of those races and lead a lap. RP racing is strictly for people who have no chance in a legitimate race.
As far as penalties for blocking is concerned, it cannot happen. Favoritism would stick it's ugly head up. Do you really think that they would penalize their fair haired boy Junior for blocking on the last lap? No way. Ragan, absolutely. Nascar plays favorites way too much already, especially with the big teams. The last thing we need is to give these morons more of an opportunity to decide the outcome of a race. Get rid of the plates,and the blocking goes away. Remember this. Dale Sr. was blocking for Junior and Mikey when he was killed, and nothing was done about blocking then.
As far as penalties for blocking is concerned, it cannot happen. Favoritism would stick it's ugly head up. Do you really think that they would penalize their fair haired boy Junior for blocking on the last lap? No way. Ragan, absolutely. Nascar plays favorites way too much already, especially with the big teams. The last thing we need is to give these morons more of an opportunity to decide the outcome of a race. Get rid of the plates,and the blocking goes away. Remember this. Dale Sr. was blocking for Junior and Mikey when he was killed, and nothing was done about blocking then.
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SST55
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Here's Jayski's chart of plate race winners. Bunch of losers who have no chance in a legitimate race,,,,,,,
http://jayski.com/stats/restrictor.htm
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dpkimmel2001
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Here's Jayski's chart of plate race winners. Bunch of losers who have no chance in a legitimate race,,,,,,,
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I didn't see even one loser under that Winner column! Even more
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Digger
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Phil Parsons, Jimmy Spencer, Michael Waltrip and Brad Keselowski are the only drivers to have only won on restrictor plate races. Waltrip and Spencer have won multiple plate races.
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Digger
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Dale Earnhardt and that Bill Elliott and the Jeff Gordon person, real losers they areHere's Jayski's chart of plate race winners. Bunch of losers who have no chance in a legitimate race,,,,,,,
http://jayski.com/stats/restrictor.htm
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Mopardh9
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I understand whre you are coming from, but don't you remember back in the day when there was the old school guys running? I remember Daytona and Dega being quite exciting without all the huge 30 car packs. I remember there being groups of 6-10 cars drafting back and forth, other groups trying to catch the lead draft, I remember this being racing not stuck in the pack waiting for the "big one" to happen. Wating for 15-20 cars to get wiped out, to me this is not racing, just chaos waiting to happen.
dpkimmel2001
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And that Darrell Waltrip, he's never going to amount to anyth.......... Oh, wait.... Nevermind.
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Mopardh9
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Perhaps I chose my words incorrectly, IMO restrictor plate racing is horrible, IMO Buck is wrong, IMO Nascar is ignoring the issue and using a band aid to fix the problem......better?Well gee Buck, just because you have a different opinion, #1 you're wrong, and #2 your not a purist.
Sorry, IMHO you may have some good points, but using this accident to make your argument just don't prove your points.
This accident was not caused by pack racing, it was cause by a driver making a wrong decision and trying to intimidate a rookie and blocking him. There was only 2 cars running side by side there and had Edwards kept a straight line would have raced within inches apart across the finish line.
IMHO this was just as smart a move as Carl made a year or so ago slamming the wall passing Jimmy thinking he was going to ride the wall and win the race because he had done it in video racing. I'll bet this move worked for him in the game too, but they don't always work in real life.
Secondly it is not the RP that made that car fly, had nothing to do with a large pack of cars. The fact is we've seen cars flip, roll and lift at other tracks also, but the safety features settle the car back down without going completely airborne, and this car was doing just that too, but at just the right instance Newman's car came by, got under the back end and threw it back into the air. IF a car was hit that same way at a flat out speed at any track, I believe that car would have gone airborne too.
I don't care much for RP racing, and we had a couple messy wrecks that didn't need to happen because of it but in MY Opinion trying to use this particular accident to make your argument against RP racing just does not hold water. Again, that is my opinion and I think mine is just as good as anyone else s and I'll be keeping it regardless of who agrees or disagrees.
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Mopardh9
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BigdaddyQH
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Once again your ultimate knowledge of racing shines through!
And you think you know more? Prove it. You have never been on a track, so what the hell do you know about blocking? What do you know about restrictor plates? Until you have been there, don't make out like you know everything, because you don't know squat.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
Ah, a man who's been there and done that. Please tell us where and what you drove. Just the number of your car and those of us who have been around a while will know who you are and you needn't expose your name. If on the other hand you haven't been there and done it, then you sound just like the 12 year old daughter of a local driver who can't make a lap without wrecking someone. Alike because she always retorts, if you haven't raced, you can't comment on it.
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Mopardh9
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Ok dude I'm getting sick of your crap, as I've said in private with you, anytime you want to debate your knowledge let me know. Oh yeah what did you race, what years and for how long, that gave you this "knowledge" ??? You are getting called out dude lets see your stats!
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jep88fan
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Problem is, certain drivers get away with certain things.
They refused to black flag Hamlin and Vickers for passing below the yellow line. Said it would've caused a wreck if they had let up or stayed above the yellow (and Regan Smith wouldn't have?
It all depends on who's passing/blocking who.
The thing is, they cold've went around the other side of the 09. Same thing happened later in the race and whoever (I think it was Stewart) found plenty of room above him.
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Digger
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NASCAR proves it every time, they robbed Regan Smith so Tony could have one last win with Gibbs. There's nothing else to it.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
Well gee Buck, just because you have a different opinion, #1 you're wrong, and #2 your not a purist.
Sorry, IMHO you may have some good points, but using this accident to make your argument just don't prove your points.
This accident was not caused by pack racing, it was cause by a driver making a wrong decision and trying to intimidate a rookie and blocking him. There was only 2 cars running side by side there and had Edwards kept a straight line would have raced within inches apart across the finish line.
IMHO this was just as smart a move as Carl made a year or so ago slamming the wall passing Jimmy thinking he was going to ride the wall and win the race because he had done it in video racing. I'll bet this move worked for him in the game too, but they don't always work in real life.
Secondly it is not the RP that made that car fly, had nothing to do with a large pack of cars. The fact is we've seen cars flip, roll and lift at other tracks also, but the safety features settle the car back down without going completely airborne, and this car was doing just that too, but at just the right instance Newman's car came by, got under the back end and threw it back into the air. IF a car was hit that same way at a flat out speed at any track, I believe that car would have gone airborne too.
I don't care much for RP racing, and we had a couple messy wrecks that didn't need to happen because of it but in MY Opinion trying to use this particular accident to make your argument against RP racing just does not hold water. Again, that is my opinion and I think mine is just as good as anyone else s and I'll be keeping it regardless of who agrees or disagrees.
Sorry I didn't see this post before. Hmmmm, Eagle1, I'm sorry that you read that my post opined that I thought that the restrictor plates were the cause of Cousin Carl's airlift. And again, okay, maybe I'm not a purist. I admit that I'm not as old as you are, and that comment mostly comes to me from older folks who have been around a lot longer than me. So okay, I'm a youngster at 60, but I've got my opinions too, right or wrong.
I blame Edwards flight on blocking. If there hadn't been any restrictor plates on the cars and they were out front doing the same thing, Carl would have still took flight. If Carl hadn't done his best to make his car as wide as he could, he might have won the race, or at worst finished second. But that wasn't what happened. Also, young Keselowski is not a slow learner. He recognized that last year, a young and up and coming driver lost out because he went below that dreaded yellow line. He didn't want to finish a lap down, and lifting is not something a good driver does when it comes to crossing that finish line first. Carl was at fault and admits it.
BTW, I don't have a problem with restrictor plates. To me it makes the races more exciting and enjoyable, not that I want to see wrecks.
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Eagle1
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No Buck I was actually agreeing with you. The first line was really all that I was directing to you as I was agreeing. Then I was replying to the other posters comments.
Again sorry I didn't make it clear who I was talking to, in my mind it was clear, but rereading it I agree looks like I was pointing my response to you.
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BigdaddyQH
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Do you think that for one minute, I would trust any of you people in here? Do any of you remember the old Grand American series? Start there. You can also check out the old Grand National West series. I'm not going to give you poeple the time of day, much less anything else. It is fools like yourself who would give away your actual identity. I do that, then some clown misuses the information. This causes all sorts of crap that I do not need. You guys think you are good, but you are nothing more than a bunch of amateurs who think they know what they are talking about. If any of you people have enough cajones to prove yourself on a race track, let me know and we will set something up. Just make sure you have plenty of money to lay on the line because I do not waste my time with nonsense like this for free. A fool and his money are soon parted. Remember that. I now make my living by separating people from their cash as fast as possible and putting that cash in my pockets.