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But, Fergy if you follow Bobby's logic Bowyer should have given the spot to Tony since he's a past champion. The nerve of Clint to think he had any right to be racing someone who was the WKA champion at 16 years old.
Actually he still acts like he is still 16 sometimes.
 
BobbyFord said:
07 = currently 19th in points, no wins, no championships in ANY form of racing.
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Not trying to be a jerk, but...........

From NASCAR.com

Bowyer has been winning races and championships practically all of his life. He's won championships in Motocross, Pony Stock, Dirt Modified, Late Model and the NASCAR Weekly Racing Series.

In a three-year span Bowyer won six championships, posting 40 victories and 92 top-five finishes along the way on both dirt and asphalt track. He displayed his NASCAR talents in the weekly series, winning the Modified title in 2001 at two different tracks. He combined for 18 victories and 28 top-fives at Kansas tracks Lakeside Speedway and Heartland Park.

Bowyer won two more titles 2002, claiming championships in the Dirt Modified and late Model divisions. He also was the NASCAR Weekly Racing Series Midwest Region champion with 12 victories and 32 top-fives. He finished second in the national point standings.
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And he was second in last year's Busch Series.
 
barelypure said:
Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, you said it yourself. Bowyer is a rookie. He's going to make mistakes. Tony is the veteran with all of those championships. Including 2 in Cup. Maybe Bowyer did make a rookie mistake but the jackass move was made by Tony. He needs to learn not to let his emotions get the best of him. He wants to talk after the race about how guys need to learn this or that but maybe as one of the elder statesmen on the track he should be able to show them how. Intentionally wrecking guys is not the way to go about it. How anyone can respect his actions on the track is beyond me. :confused:
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I already said Tony was not right and that he retaliated poorly. I'm not saying he acted correctly. But he did not start it, Bowyer did. You can not retaliate without an initiator. The starter of the incident was Clint, therefore whatever happened after the initial incident is secondary and the blame belongs to Bowyer.
Poor Carl just got the raw end of it.
 
fergy1370 said:
Not trying to be a jerk, but...........



And he was second in last year's Busch Series.
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This ain't Busch.

[/QOUTE] From NASCAR.com

Bowyer has been winning races and championships practically all of his life. He's won championships in Motocross, Pony Stock, Dirt Modified, Late Model and the NASCAR Weekly Racing Series.

In a three-year span Bowyer won six championships, posting 40 victories and 92 top-five finishes along the way on both dirt and asphalt track. He displayed his NASCAR talents in the weekly series, winning the Modified title in 2001 at two different tracks. He combined for 18 victories and 28 top-fives at Kansas tracks Lakeside Speedway and Heartland Park.

Bowyer won two more titles 2002, claiming championships in the Dirt Modified and late Model divisions. He also was the NASCAR Weekly Racing Series Midwest Region champion with 12 victories and 32 top-fives. He finished second in the national point standings.

This level of racing is far from TRACK champion.
 
BobbyFord said:
I already said Tony was not right and that he retaliated poorly. I'm not saying he acted correctly. But he did not start it, Bowyer did. You can not retaliate without an initiator. The starter of the incident was Clint, therefore whatever happened after the initial incident is secondary and the blame belongs to Bowyer.
Poor Carl just got the raw end of it.
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Then who does Carl blame? The starter of the original incident or the secondary incident? Which actually whould be the first incident involving Carl, which was started by Tony...
 
fergy1370 said:
Then who does Carl blame? The starter of the original incident or the secondary incident? Which actually whould be the first incident involving Carl, which was started by Tony...
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You figure it out. Did Tony squeeze himself into the fence???
 
I think that if the 99 was not there then Boyer would have had one hell of a crash. I guess I'm the only one who thought it was fun to watch. Both did some stupid crap but it was exciting.

Off the subject but TNT needs to pay attention to the restarts. Anyone else notice that the came back from commercial too late on a few of them? Drove me nuts.
 
Stewart should receive the same kind of treatment from this incident that Busch did for his run in with Spencer's fender a few years back.I didn't think it was possible but Doughboys head may have finally outgrown his body. He's making enemies with people that can pound him & keep him out of the chase. Expect some more bad karma from this, doughboy.
 
BobbyFord said:
07 = currently 19th in points, no wins, no championships in ANY form of racing.
20 = 2 Cup championships, 4 USAC championships, Indy car champion, WKA champion at 16 years old AND currently in the Chase.
Glad we got that cleared up :)
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As for the wins, awards and rooms full of trophies, Tony can wipe his butt with those accolades after deliberately wrecking Bowyer.

Tony Stewart is the best driver in NASCAR today and while some might call Stewarts reactions emotion, others see it for exactly what it is, immaturity. Hard to believe a person can be so successful in one arena and such an ass in another.
 
At least Stewart is consistant. "Do as I say, but don't do as I do."

:mad:
 
bobby let me ask you this...

why are you throwing all this stuff out...tony is a champion here a champion there...this is not about who has the most wins or who has the most championships..sure stew is one of the best drivers is nascar and all but this is not about who's better or who's bad..anyways point is tony could've been the wiser of the two.
 
BobbyFord said:
This ain't Busch.

This level of racing is far from TRACK champion.
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True, but you did say he never has won a champaship on ANY leavle, and last time i checked, locial racing was a leval of racing.
 
All of this b.s in this thread and all y'all want to do is badmouth Tony. What about the bonehead that ran him into the fence and started it all? All Tony did was react. I'm not saying he did it well. I know he screwed up. So does he.
But the least some of you can do is recognize the squirrley driving by the 07 to start all of this crap.
Speaking of the 07, did he recover from the mishap? Did he come from behind and finish on the lead lap?
Sure, Carl was the loser in this deal.
Carl was the loser because of Tony's actions. But the dummy in the 07 was trying to squeeze into a spot where there was no room. I don't know if his spotter had a hot dog stuffed in his mouth and was unable to speak or whether the driver had his helmet on backwards, but there was NO ROOM to clear the 20 and the guy forcing the issue on the bottom, under someone who already has the established line is the guy who should lift. If you don't have the momentum to pull off the slide job then don't attempt the pass.
I'm not arguing the fact that Tony should not have turned left into the 07, I'm just arguing the fact that the 07 pulled off the bonehead move that wrecked Carl's chances of a good finish. Fortunately, it rendered the 07 to the finishing position that he deserved.
I'm guessing that the different driving styles between the 20 and the 07 will result in Tony wearing a tuxedo at the end of the year, sitting at the banquet and Clint bowyer ordering his popcorn with butter at home watching it.
 
There is no way anyone should be sticking up for Tony Stewart in this incident, so what if he has won titles, that makes no difference. Tony was totally in the wrong.
 
BobbyFord said:
All of this b.s in this thread and all y'all want to do is badmouth Tony. What about the bonehead that ran him into the fence and started it all? All Tony did was react. I'm not saying he did it well. I know he screwed up. So does he.
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You still aren''t getting it Bobby. Tony is the one who tried to squeeze in. If he's as great a driver and you and he thinks he is why did he do that. Go back and watch it again. Bowyer was ahead of him.
And, from his comments after the race I'm not convinced that he knows that he screwed up. He said that once he gets to the front racing with the guys who have been on the track for a while he doesn't have these problems. Is that because they know how he is, how he drives, and they react accordingly?
Watch Inside Nextel Cup tonight. This should be an interesting show.
 
BobbyFord said:
07 = currently 19th in points, no wins, no championships in ANY form of racing.
20 = 2 Cup championships, 4 USAC championships, Indy car champion, WKA champion at 16 years old AND currently in the Chase.

Glad we got that cleared up :)
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Glad we know that you think that Tony can do no wrong...being a champion gives him the right to take some one out??? NO!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
BobbyFord said:
All of this b.s in this thread and all y'all want to do is badmouth Tony. What about the bonehead that ran him into the fence and started it all? All Tony did was react. I'm not saying he did it well. I know he screwed up. So does he.
But the least some of you can do is recognize the squirrley driving by the 07 to start all of this crap.
Speaking of the 07, did he recover from the mishap? Did he come from behind and finish on the lead lap?
Sure, Carl was the loser in this deal.
Carl was the loser because of Tony's actions. But the dummy in the 07 was trying to squeeze into a spot where there was no room. I don't know if his spotter had a hot dog stuffed in his mouth and was unable to speak or whether the driver had his helmet on backwards, but there was NO ROOM to clear the 20 and the guy forcing the issue on the bottom, under someone who already has the established line is the guy who should lift. If you don't have the momentum to pull off the slide job then don't attempt the pass.
I'm not arguing the fact that Tony should not have turned left into the 07, I'm just arguing the fact that the 07 pulled off the bonehead move that wrecked Carl's chances of a good finish. Fortunately, it rendered the 07 to the finishing position that he deserved.
I'm guessing that the different driving styles between the 20 and the 07 will result in Tony wearing a tuxedo at the end of the year, sitting at the banquet and Clint bowyer ordering his popcorn with butter at home watching it.
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Tony deserves to get bad mouthed and then some after his actions on and off the track. Wake up and see what Tony really is...an immature, eogtistical, hard nosed racer, that needs to practice what he preaches.
 
When Stewart - as with some others - comes from the rear of field it's not always due to driving skill. People pull over and let him go 'cause if they don't - they get moved aside - which doesn't require any skill whatsoever. The #7 wasn't willing to pull over and the #20 apparently thinks he should have.

IMO, the #7 has no reason to back off of someone trying an outside move. The only mistake Edwards made was not ensuring that the #20 finished BEHIND him.
 
Boy this is funny. Bowyer pushed up, anyone whatching the race saw that, and then stewart plows through him?

Quoet from stewert. *we are going to kill sombody*

He meant to say HE was going to kill somebody
 
Kenny Wallace says Stewart took the air off of him - like Stewart claims Kenseth did at Daytona.

As for who has won titles and so forth, I don't see Stewart pulling over for the #24.
 
fun_in_my_z said:
Boy this is funny. Bowyer pushed up, anyone whatching the race saw that, and then stewart plows through him?

Quoet from stewert. *we are going to kill sombody*

He meant to say HE was going to kill somebody
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i know its funny how tony contradicts himself. such a fool.
 
OK, how many of you were AT the race? Work in NASCAR? Own a Track?
I have my opinions, you have yours.......but trying to slam one another because of an opinion is just plain disrespect IMHO.
 
kat2220 said:
OK, how many of you were AT the race? Work in NASCAR? Own a Track?
I have my opinions, you have yours.......but trying to slam one another because of an opinion is just plain disrespect IMHO.
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No to mention very tiring :(

Stewart made a statement today...



COLUMBUS, Ind. -- In a team release on Monday, Tony Stewart took blame for the Lap 32 incident that involved Stewart, Clint Bowyer and Carl Edwards in Sunday's Pennsylvania 500 at Pocono Raceway.

The statement reads as follows:

"I'm taking 100 percent responsibility for the final incident that occurred on lap 32 between myself, the 07 [Bowyer] and the 99 [Edwards]. It was totally my fault.

"At the same time, there were circumstances that led up to that wreck, and after talking with Clint [on Monday] morning, we both have a better understanding as to what happened. He was trying to get out of my way and didn't realize that I had gone to the outside. He thought I was to his inside, and when he tried to give me some room, he slid into us and it put us into the outside wall. I reacted, causing the wreck that I take responsibility for and regret."

On Lap 32, Stewart was racing on the outside of Bowyer through Turn 3 of Pocono's 2.5-mile triangle when Bowyer's car pushed out toward the wall. Stewart gave as much ground as he could until scraping the wall with the right side of his No. 20 Chevrolet. As he came off the wall, Stewart made contact with Bowyer, sending Bowyer's No. 07 Chevrolet into Edwards' No. 99 Ford.
 
Not trying to slam anyone, just pointing the obvious out to some people who don't seem to see it. Stewart was wrong, makes a lame apology for it and the Nascar world goes on like nothing happened. The hypocriscy in this sport today is really getting to the point where it is becoming ridiculous. If that had been Stremme,or some other back marker drive that did what Stewart did Sunday he would have been in the Red Trailer getting his ass handed to him. Not to mention probably suspended for a race, Champion or not Tony did not act like one, nor did he even remotely seem sorry for what he did. This is becoming TIRESOME in Nascar, i for one want to see the rules apply to every driver equaly, not give the so called Champions a break.
 
BobbyFord said:
COLUMBUS, Ind. -- In a team release on Monday, Tony Stewart took blame for the Lap 32 incident that involved Stewart, Clint Bowyer and Carl Edwards in Sunday's Pennsylvania 500 at Pocono Raceway.
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PR decision. Means nothing. He's still a jerk.
 
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