Porsche shutters LMP1 program

Discussion in 'Sports Car Racing' started by FLRacingFan, Jul 28, 2017.

  1. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

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  2. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    WEC is ******.

    No other words to describe it and Toyota's budget was no where close to what Audi and Porsche spent. I feel bad for the mechanics and drivers, only so many disciplines to get into and only so many seats.

    This ******* blows to see an awesome sport die out as fast as it came to life. Probably turn it into a GT3 series, this blows man.
  3. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Yeah, what Kiante said... this blows, man.
  4. Doc Austin

    Doc Austin Team Extreme Flight

    LMP1 was doomed the minute the cars became too complex and expensive for the privateers.

    This is what happens when you allow manufacturers to drive the cost of competing through the roof. The privateers never had a chance against the hybrid cars, so they bailed and went to P2. Any team on the P2 grid can buy a car and have an equal chance, but you can see from the Bykolles project what kind of chance a privateer has in the LMP1 class.

    Usually manufacturers bail because they are getting thumped. Audi ruled for years, but after a few years of not winning everything they bailed. You can't justify spending that kind of money and not winning. This time, though, the manufacturers are bailing because there is no value in it for them. Porsche does get anything out of beating Toyota. They are supposed to beat Toyota, so any time they lose it doesn't make them look awesome.

    Audi was right to get out for a lot of reasons, and Porsche is right to get out because $200mil per year is too damm much money to spend just to beat a company they are supposed to beat. Poor Toyota is in it simply to win Lemans, but now their chance may be gone. There is no sense in them going just to beat Bykolles and maybe one or two other privateers who again, they are supposed to beat anyway.

    The FIA will have to come up with something fast. They can't make P2 the premier class because you can't have a manufacturers championship if you don't have any manufacturers. Their best option is to make P2 the premier class and allow DPI cars with limited manufacturer participation. Let them sell cars and body kits, but keep the factory teams out. This would allow the current P2 teams to not only keep racing, but race for the overall win, and also allow manufacturers to compete as suppliers. That's the simplest solution that they could put into effect today, right now, but don't expect the French to adopt something that's not their own idea.
  5. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    It isn't worth it when you don't have any competition and car that doesn't look anything like the brand. Winning gets pretty empty when you are racing yourself. About like taking your sister to the prom. They are whippin ass in the lower series with a car that looks similar to a showroom car and costs gillions less. Another techno fail.
  6. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Porsche are being dragged into the emissions scandal now, so that didn't help. I suppose it helps in the aftermath to be able to point towards joining an all-electric race series, just like they did with Audi.

    Although I think the budget thing is really of their own doing, Toyota have spent way less than VAG did with both Porsche and Audi and they've been competitive in their team in the WEC, they just haven't been able to seal the deal at Le Mans.
  7. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I doubt that, that isn't Toyota's long history. Still isn't, Nascar proves that, F-1 did also.
  8. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    After the F1 debacle they made it a point to not spend so much and embarrass themselves at an international level again. And that's Toyota Motorsport based out of Germany, supposedly funded by Toyota's R&D group, not really anything to do with TRD and Toyota USA here. That's why they never used a third car at Le Mans until this year, as an absolute last resort kind of thing. Audi and Porsche were rumored to be spending in the area of $200m a year while Toyota only just recently got up around $100m.
  9. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

  10. Doc Austin

    Doc Austin Team Extreme Flight

    Imagine what kind of DPI program you could put together with that kind of money. That or imagine what kind of killer DPI program you could built with a tenth of that money.
  11. Doc Austin

    Doc Austin Team Extreme Flight

    Only one thing left to do.........................

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  12. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    I still think VAG start a DPi program with one of their brands soon but I don't see it for Toyota. Their LMP1 program is funded by R&D, so unless someone else within the organization feels it fits it probably won't happen. They have a ton of hybrid models so I can see why.
  13. downnice

    downnice Car Chief

    This is awful for fans of endurance racing

    Maybe WEC and IMSA can merge
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  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    wasn't for me, much better more competitive racing in the slower less expensive ranks IMO
  15. Doc Austin

    Doc Austin Team Extreme Flight

    It's not so bad if we get something better, and anything is better than having a full field of four cars.

    Never going to happen. The only reason we have IMSA to begin with was because Big Bill france set up and financed John Bishop so he could start it. The reason France wanted an American sanction body was because he saw how the French absolutely destroyed endurance racing changing the rules all the time to eliminate French opposition. Big Bill was never again going to allow those people to sanction his 24 race at Daytona.

    However, if the FIA were to adopt a DPI/P2 class like IMSA has, we could very well see the biggest sportscar renaissance since the mid 60s.
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  16. Hotrod

    Hotrod Team Owner

    Just does not make financial sense to do half the season in Europe and
    another half in the US if they merged. P2 DPI is the way to go. Factories should
    just be involved with the GT products they sell in showrooms and leave the
    P classes to the privateers and big teams to mix and match as they please
    with the approved suppliers. I am just glad IMSA/Weathertech has righted
    the ship although Taylors have really dominated. I think it will be more competitive
    down the road.
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