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EatMorePossum
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A man of wisdom, integrity, and fortitude. You folks enjoy this weekend's sham; I'll be busy mourning the loss of a dear old friend.
Just ain't the same
Just ain't the same
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bowtie
Guest
ain't it so........................ 
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dragonlady424
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And what the duece do you mean by "sham"?????
Careful there podner, you is steppin on SoCal tosies there.
I ain't the Anaheim Dragonlady for nuthin, ya know. LOL
Careful there podner, you is steppin on SoCal tosies there.
I ain't the Anaheim Dragonlady for nuthin, ya know. LOL
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EatMorePossum
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stomp stomp stomp
It's a travesty. Your mileage may vary.
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Nitro
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stomp stomp stomp
It's a travesty. Your mileage may vary. [/b][/quote]
Face it, that track wasnt making much money. It needed work and wasnt selling out. It would take more than its worth to fix. Why fix something that isnt selling..it'd be a waste of time and money. Times are changing, and the sport is growing, and people are damn tired of driving southeast to see a race. I like the fact that they are building more tracks in western and midwestern states. Most of the races for years were in the eastern and southeastern part of the country. Its time for other cities, town, and states in this country to have a slice of the racing pie!
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TonyB
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You made the case for closely down Darlington (something they didn't do.)Originally posted by Nitro@Sep 2 2004, 05:33 PM
Face it, that track wasnt making much money. It needed work and wasnt selling out. It would take more than its worth to fix. Why fix something that isnt selling..it'd be a waste of time and money. Times are changing, and the sport is growing, and people are damn tired of driving southeast to see a race. I like the fact that they are building more tracks in western and midwestern states. Most of the races for years were in the eastern and southeastern part of the country. Its time for other cities, town, and states in this country to have a slice of the racing pie!
What you didn't do was make the case for moving the date from Labor Day to Mother's Day.
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Nitro
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Who cares what day they race on; as long as they race at that track?
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TonyB
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I don't usually side with the traditionalist, but I'm doing so on the Darlington Labor Day race.
It's called tradition. It was completely unnecessary to move the date. The circuit has raced at Darlington on Labor Day weekend every year since 1950. If NASCAR wanted to add a date at California, it could have done so without messing around with a 53 year old tradition.
NASCAR could have closed down Darlington and not had the same impact on it's long-time fans as it did in moving the date of the race.
NASCAR alienated a lot of fans with this move. They could have accomplished their goals of moving dates to the west and left the race on Labor Day weekend.
If the date doesn't matter to you, we'll trade you our Darlington Mother's Day race for your California Labor Day Race.
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dragonlady424
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Sure don't make no nevermind to me.
As long as we can race under the lights. Course
Mother's Day might mean that it wouldn't start till
maybe 9 or 10 PM east coast time. :lol: :lol:
As long as we can race under the lights. Course
Mother's Day might mean that it wouldn't start till
maybe 9 or 10 PM east coast time. :lol:
:lol:
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boB
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Ya know folks, I for one am sick and tired of hearing all this crap about the tradition, blah, blah, blah, whine, whine, whine, boo hoo hoo!
Darlington only seats something on the order of 60,000 people. That number is about the break even point for bringing a Nextel Cup Race to town kids.
If the fans fail to support an event, the track owners and promoters are not able to afford the updates and maintainance that is required, not to mention adding the seats which would keep the operation profitable.
I don't believe that NASCAR has ever been considered a non-profit ogranization either.
The simple fact is that the fans in the southeast failed to come out to those tracks in sufficient numbers to make events on the level of Nextel Cup racing profitable and the sanctioning body and the track owners would be completely foolish to continue to hold events at a facility that is not showing them a profit.
Maybe adding lights and changing the date could bring about a new tradition, one which allows the track to continue as a viable operation instead of a money losing proposition.
Tradition just doesn't pay the bills. Sorry 'bout that, but that's just the way it is here in the real world.
Just as a side note: Darlington was NOT the first superspeedway. Indianapolis was built sometime around 1909, there were many mile and longer banked tracks in this country and Europe years before Harold Brasington built his track. Some of the tracks in Europe were banked as high as 65 degrees. Then there were the high banked board tracks here in the United States which were popular during the 1920's and early 1930's.
And the first stockcar race in this country was held in Chicago in either 1895 or 1896. I'd have to check the year, but the race was held in a snow storm on Thanksgiving Day.
The first weekly stockcar racing in this country was held in Cranston, Rhode Island starting in 1896 and ran continuously through 1927.
Before there was NASCAR there were many other organizations which sanctioned stock car racing on a national basis, two of the most popular were the IMCA and AAA.
So please stop the whining and crying over the lose of a couple of rundown tracks in the southeast. They're just two more racetracks which have seen their day in the sun, the sun has set and the circus has left town for more lucrative geographic areas.
All things change with time and life is much sweeter if we are able to accept that simple fact instead of complaining about that which we cannot control,
With all that said, hope everyone has a good holiday weekend and those folks in the path of Hurricane Francis are able to get through the storm safely.
Darlington only seats something on the order of 60,000 people. That number is about the break even point for bringing a Nextel Cup Race to town kids.
If the fans fail to support an event, the track owners and promoters are not able to afford the updates and maintainance that is required, not to mention adding the seats which would keep the operation profitable.
I don't believe that NASCAR has ever been considered a non-profit ogranization either.
The simple fact is that the fans in the southeast failed to come out to those tracks in sufficient numbers to make events on the level of Nextel Cup racing profitable and the sanctioning body and the track owners would be completely foolish to continue to hold events at a facility that is not showing them a profit.
Maybe adding lights and changing the date could bring about a new tradition, one which allows the track to continue as a viable operation instead of a money losing proposition.
Tradition just doesn't pay the bills. Sorry 'bout that, but that's just the way it is here in the real world.
Just as a side note: Darlington was NOT the first superspeedway. Indianapolis was built sometime around 1909, there were many mile and longer banked tracks in this country and Europe years before Harold Brasington built his track. Some of the tracks in Europe were banked as high as 65 degrees. Then there were the high banked board tracks here in the United States which were popular during the 1920's and early 1930's.
And the first stockcar race in this country was held in Chicago in either 1895 or 1896. I'd have to check the year, but the race was held in a snow storm on Thanksgiving Day.
The first weekly stockcar racing in this country was held in Cranston, Rhode Island starting in 1896 and ran continuously through 1927.
Before there was NASCAR there were many other organizations which sanctioned stock car racing on a national basis, two of the most popular were the IMCA and AAA.
So please stop the whining and crying over the lose of a couple of rundown tracks in the southeast. They're just two more racetracks which have seen their day in the sun, the sun has set and the circus has left town for more lucrative geographic areas.
All things change with time and life is much sweeter if we are able to accept that simple fact instead of complaining about that which we cannot control,
With all that said, hope everyone has a good holiday weekend and those folks in the path of Hurricane Francis are able to get through the storm safely.
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cutiepie24
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thank you boB.........agree with you 100%........it's time for some people to get over it and move on........
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4xchampncountin
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All I know is that I find a race at Darlington infinitely more entertaining than anything I have seen at California.
That being said, NASCAR has honestly taken the desire to watch every minute of every race from me already. They can make all the decisions they want in the name of "progress", but I truly hope that the new breed of fan they are appealing to still cares enough to watch when the novelty wears off in a few years.
That being said, NASCAR has honestly taken the desire to watch every minute of every race from me already. They can make all the decisions they want in the name of "progress", but I truly hope that the new breed of fan they are appealing to still cares enough to watch when the novelty wears off in a few years.
Preach on Bro. boB!! Looks like Nascar made another Right decision with the huricane comming in. S.C. may be a foot under water this weekend. j/k Unless tracks make vast improvements they will all one day have a lock on the gate. Darlington failled at this back in the late 80's and early 90's when pepole outside the southeast got hooked on Nascar. Now those fans want races near their home, and they are getting them. The fans on the west coast should have more than 3 races a year. It will make Nascar better, b/c it sends a message to the other tracks ...Put butts in the seats or anoter track WILL.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
It's no different than baseball and football stadiums being torn down or rebuilt. The old stadiums Have a tridition. Baseball and football teams also move to different cities. It's a part of life that is going to happen. Race on!!!!
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TonyB
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An just exactly which baseball and football stadiums are being torn down? They aren't the grand old stadiums like Wrigley field.
Can you imagine the reaction if Wrigley were torn down? Now there's a dump. Easily the worst stadium in baseball in which to attend a game. But there would still be one heck of a reaction if it were torn down.
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DE_Wrangler_2
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I don't really understand all this comparison with other sports and their "traditions". This ain't football or baseball or basketball or hockey or even badmitin..........the comparison just does not exist. It was only a few years ago that most in this country (world?) thought racing automobiles was not really a sport at all......and there was and remains good arguments against it being one. What other "sport" do you know of that have competition in the same "game" where there are more than two teams competing at a time? Track and Field? Maybe so...........so why are we comparing apples and oranges. I don't care about Wrigley Field, Dodger Stadium, The Anaheim Pond, Madison Square Garden, or the Coliseum. Those arenas have to fend for themselves.........their owners make money or close them just like tracks in the NASCAR do. Any of those arenas become money pits like Darlington and close down or loose games and the fans pitch a hissy fit like some here.............guess we all can chuckle at the absurdity of it all. Professional sports is a money making operation...........it ain't a hobby for enthusiasts.
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Patrick9999
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IMHO, some "traditions" make no sense and need to be changed. In the Victorian era, table legs, piano legs, etc. had to be covered as they were perceived to be sexually suggestive.
Nascar, as with other sports, has it's traditions as well. I guess the big question is: who decides what gets changed? Does Nascar go back to the beach? Do they stop the invocation because it may upset the agnostic fans?
It was a change of tradition that got races spread to other tracks. If someones favorite track is no longer on the schedule, there's really not much that can be done about it. So enjoy the memories that you have of those past races and be happy for the fans in other areas that get to see some races as well.
Nascar, as with other sports, has it's traditions as well. I guess the big question is: who decides what gets changed? Does Nascar go back to the beach? Do they stop the invocation because it may upset the agnostic fans?
It was a change of tradition that got races spread to other tracks. If someones favorite track is no longer on the schedule, there's really not much that can be done about it. So enjoy the memories that you have of those past races and be happy for the fans in other areas that get to see some races as well.
de7xwcc
Anarchist
well boB, dragon and nitro all i can say is, :bslfag:
i for one think it sux, i haven't missed a lobor day race at DARLINGTON for as long as i can remember, we have camped, got wet in the rain and generaly had a blast for as long as i can remember.
nastycar has got their last dime from me, i won't be renewing my BMS tickets next year( thought i would be fitting to see my last race at the track i saw my first) or my daga tickets ( i have sold my dega tickests for Oct,) and in a small token of protest i will NOT be watchin this weekend.
hope you all enjoy the first step in the demise of nascar, wait i forgot that started when they sold northwilksboro down the road.
i for one think it sux, i haven't missed a lobor day race at DARLINGTON for as long as i can remember, we have camped, got wet in the rain and generaly had a blast for as long as i can remember.
nastycar has got their last dime from me, i won't be renewing my BMS tickets next year( thought i would be fitting to see my last race at the track i saw my first) or my daga tickets ( i have sold my dega tickests for Oct,) and in a small token of protest i will NOT be watchin this weekend.
hope you all enjoy the first step in the demise of nascar, wait i forgot that started when they sold northwilksboro down the road.
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boB
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DE7xwcc,
Do you really think that anyone cares whether or not you continue to support NASCAR?
Let's look at some facts here:
North Wilksboro had seats for somewhere around 40 - 45,000 and as far back as the mid 1990's that capacity was inadequate to support what was then a Winston Cup race. Furthermore, there was not room on site, nor adequate local infrastructure to support the expense of expansion of the track.
North Carolina Motor Speedway had a seating capacity of between 60 - 65,000, just about the break-even point for the top tier event. And it hadn't sold out since the mid 1990's.
Darlington, with all its tradition and somewhere on the order of 60,000 seats, had, until this last springs event, failed to have a sellout crowd for their shows since around that same time.
If these southern tracks cannot sell out to the break even point, how would you justify spending the money to complete improvements and expansion.
All of your tradition simply isn't paying the bills.
Perhaps ISC and NASCAR, by installing some lights at Darlington Raceway and presenting that track's single event on the Saturday night before Mother's Day can start a new tradition.
One that might possibly turn the track from a liability into an asset.
As for running up the Bull **** flag for those of us whose opinion differs from yours; well, I guess perhaps that shows the limits of your outlook, your upbringing and your mentality?
Have a nice holiday sitting around and mopping about your "great loss"!
Do you really think that anyone cares whether or not you continue to support NASCAR?
Let's look at some facts here:
North Wilksboro had seats for somewhere around 40 - 45,000 and as far back as the mid 1990's that capacity was inadequate to support what was then a Winston Cup race. Furthermore, there was not room on site, nor adequate local infrastructure to support the expense of expansion of the track.
North Carolina Motor Speedway had a seating capacity of between 60 - 65,000, just about the break-even point for the top tier event. And it hadn't sold out since the mid 1990's.
Darlington, with all its tradition and somewhere on the order of 60,000 seats, had, until this last springs event, failed to have a sellout crowd for their shows since around that same time.
If these southern tracks cannot sell out to the break even point, how would you justify spending the money to complete improvements and expansion.
All of your tradition simply isn't paying the bills.
Perhaps ISC and NASCAR, by installing some lights at Darlington Raceway and presenting that track's single event on the Saturday night before Mother's Day can start a new tradition.
One that might possibly turn the track from a liability into an asset.
As for running up the Bull **** flag for those of us whose opinion differs from yours; well, I guess perhaps that shows the limits of your outlook, your upbringing and your mentality?
Have a nice holiday sitting around and mopping about your "great loss"!
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Eagle1
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boB, 2 excellent posts. 
de7xwcc
Anarchist
boB thats total BS and you know it, "ain't payin the bills"
have you ever seen ISC's books ? it's public record, check them out and then tell me they are hurtin. then again you are one of the one's that think New Hampshire is a great race, while were at it let's move that snoozzzzzer to the west also.
as for goin to the races i'm done. yea i will still watch select races but as i said the greedy ba.... get no more of my $$$$
boB, i was running the BS flag for the race you seem to think is the second coming , IT ain't and i guess that means my opinion means nothing. i really don't care if you agree or not. thats what a DISCUSSION FOURM is for. I hope you enjoy the snorefest this weekend, the wife an i are going to the Mts. to work on the cabin.
have you ever seen ISC's books ? it's public record, check them out and then tell me they are hurtin. then again you are one of the one's that think New Hampshire is a great race, while were at it let's move that snoozzzzzer to the west also.
as for goin to the races i'm done. yea i will still watch select races but as i said the greedy ba.... get no more of my $$$$
boB, i was running the BS flag for the race you seem to think is the second coming , IT ain't and i guess that means my opinion means nothing. i really don't care if you agree or not. thats what a DISCUSSION FOURM is for. I hope you enjoy the snorefest this weekend, the wife an i are going to the Mts. to work on the cabin.
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EatMorePossum
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Was it really necessary to attack someone's upbringing and mentality?
If so, I guess the following will be OK as well.
Who exactly died and made you judge and jury over the opinions of every other die hard race fan on here? Is it your birthright or something? re you just that much more superior than the rest of us? I think not. I think it's yet another delusion.
Don't like the heat, keep your ass out of the kitchen.
de7xwcc
Anarchist
Thanks EMP, i can't help it i am just a dumb southern redneck
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boB
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When someone tells me that my opinion is bull****, I usually repy in kind.
It seems that some of you "southern rednecks" think you're the only ones who have any knowledge about racing.
You're all so damn smart and well informed about the subject that you think the whole show should be presented at whatever cost, just for your entertainment?
I think not.
Despite what some of you folks think, NASCAR was not formed as a southern venture. One of the original stated purposes of the ogranization was to bring stockcar racing onto the national scene in order to compete with what was then know as the champ cars.
Maybe some of you should look at the real history of NASCAR racing sometime?
Not sure how long you boys have been around, sitting in the grandstands or drinking yourselfs into oblivion in the infield, but this kid's been to too many race tracks over to many years and paid the price in too many ways to stand around and let some damn fool tell me my opinion is bull****!
When you can show me the pit passes, the credentials, the NASCAR licenses (along with those from several other organizations) and the cancelled checks which paid for me to be a part of your miserable little circus, then maybe I'll except your Bull **** remarks. Until then, I will continue to express my opinion about your sniveling, whining, crying and general carrying on because the tracks you failed to support are loosing your "traditions".
Grow up for heaven's sake!
Times change!
The business is changing, you really should learn to accept facts.
Have a nice day!
It seems that some of you "southern rednecks" think you're the only ones who have any knowledge about racing.
You're all so damn smart and well informed about the subject that you think the whole show should be presented at whatever cost, just for your entertainment?
I think not.
Despite what some of you folks think, NASCAR was not formed as a southern venture. One of the original stated purposes of the ogranization was to bring stockcar racing onto the national scene in order to compete with what was then know as the champ cars.
Maybe some of you should look at the real history of NASCAR racing sometime?
Not sure how long you boys have been around, sitting in the grandstands or drinking yourselfs into oblivion in the infield, but this kid's been to too many race tracks over to many years and paid the price in too many ways to stand around and let some damn fool tell me my opinion is bull****!
When you can show me the pit passes, the credentials, the NASCAR licenses (along with those from several other organizations) and the cancelled checks which paid for me to be a part of your miserable little circus, then maybe I'll except your Bull **** remarks. Until then, I will continue to express my opinion about your sniveling, whining, crying and general carrying on because the tracks you failed to support are loosing your "traditions".
Grow up for heaven's sake!
Times change!
The business is changing, you really should learn to accept facts.
Have a nice day!
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bowtie
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good debate but lets keep it civil.
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Dinoforthe3
Guest
Was it really necessary to attack someone's upbringing and mentality?
If so, I guess the following will be OK as well.
Who exactly died and made you judge and jury over the opinions of every other die hard race fan on here? Is it your birthright or something? re you just that much more superior than the rest of us? I think not. I think it's yet another delusion.
Don't like the heat, keep your ass out of the kitchen. [/b][/quote]
I'd have to agree with EMP. Just because someone is old doesn't mean they don't love the sport as much. Just because someone didn't have the opportunity to be as big a part of the sport doesn't mean they don't love it as much. It also doesn't mean that their opinion is wrong just because it is different. There are a couple posters on this board that are percieved either by themselves or by others that they are better than everyone else.
In this particular situation the difference may have been that BoB thought the B.S. Flag was directed at him when DE7 probably ment to direct it at nascar for moving the Southern 500 and setting up the probability that one of the great old tracks will loose Nascar events all together.
But as you say opinions do differ.
Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if when they build a new track they pattern it after Darlington instead of another 1.5 snooze fest!
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EatMorePossum
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I think most of the whining, sniveling, and chest thumping is being done by the accuser.
I could not possibly care less what you do, where you go, how you choose to spend your time, or how you choose to spend your money. But just like you, I have an opinion and a right to voice it. Being Southern has not one thing to do with it, nor was it mentioned in my post. It seems you, my friend, are the one with the issue here.
Yeah, I'm Southern and damn proud of it. I've also been around this popsicle stand we call stock car racing for over a quarter century, so save me your resume...I'm not impressed.
I stand by my statement. Attacking someone's upbringing in the context in which you clearly did it was uncalled for and small minded. To think other people onm here look up to you. To think I used to.
You, sir, have yourself a wonderful day admiring your 40 year old ticket stubs. I'll see y'all around.
No fool like an old fool.
I could not possibly care less what you do, where you go, how you choose to spend your time, or how you choose to spend your money. But just like you, I have an opinion and a right to voice it. Being Southern has not one thing to do with it, nor was it mentioned in my post. It seems you, my friend, are the one with the issue here.
Yeah, I'm Southern and damn proud of it. I've also been around this popsicle stand we call stock car racing for over a quarter century, so save me your resume...I'm not impressed.
I stand by my statement. Attacking someone's upbringing in the context in which you clearly did it was uncalled for and small minded. To think other people onm here look up to you. To think I used to.
You, sir, have yourself a wonderful day admiring your 40 year old ticket stubs. I'll see y'all around.
No fool like an old fool.
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boB
Guest
I was told that my opinion was "total bullshsit" and that I knew it, by de7xwcc.
When I replied that by running up that rather childish B.S. flag, he was showing his true demeanor, I was told I wasn't being respectful of someone else opinion!
Hello there friends, but it would appear that some people on this forum have no idea at all about respecting other's opinions that differ from their own.
While I can respect anyone's opinion, when someone attacks me in that manner, that person, along with anyone who's taking his side, is walking on my bad side.
I may be getting old and slow, but I still have a pretty fair temper and the ability to back it up.
Thank you, very much...
When I replied that by running up that rather childish B.S. flag, he was showing his true demeanor, I was told I wasn't being respectful of someone else opinion!
Hello there friends, but it would appear that some people on this forum have no idea at all about respecting other's opinions that differ from their own.
While I can respect anyone's opinion, when someone attacks me in that manner, that person, along with anyone who's taking his side, is walking on my bad side.
I may be getting old and slow, but I still have a pretty fair temper and the ability to back it up.
Thank you, very much...
de7xwcc
Anarchist
i think i have paid my dues boB, have been into racin since i was a kid, and i ain't no spring chicken, it scares me how much $$ i have spent on the sport, but no more.
yes i think it's BS that nascar is moving good racing to cookie cutter tracks, the rock had great racin and so does darlington, i can't say that for cali., kansas city, chicago, and so on. just another example of how nascar is screwing the folks that brought her to the dance in the first place.
boB you have every right to your opinion, just because i think it is BS. doesn't mean it's wrong.
by the way the war is over the northern aggressors won.
yes i think it's BS that nascar is moving good racing to cookie cutter tracks, the rock had great racin and so does darlington, i can't say that for cali., kansas city, chicago, and so on. just another example of how nascar is screwing the folks that brought her to the dance in the first place.
boB you have every right to your opinion, just because i think it is BS. doesn't mean it's wrong.
by the way the war is over the northern aggressors won.
de7xwcc
Anarchist
guess you didn't take me up on lookin at ICS's financinal records did ya.
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4xchampncountin
Guest
What a spirited debate. Unfortunately none of it makes any difference.
NASCAR is going to do what it thinks it needs to do to make more money. Whether or not that hurts the sport in the long run remains to be seen.
Rest assured that NASCAR doesn't shed one tear over one, two or even a few hundred thousand fans who are upset about their traditions being taken away. As far as they are concerned, there are millions of fans in places like California that are more than willing to part with a lot of their money regardless of how good or bad the racing is.
Those of us who grew up cheering for the likes of Richard Petty, David Pearson and Tim Richmond have been appreciated and dumped on in the name of progress. It aint pretty, but it is the truth.
NASCAR is going to do what it thinks it needs to do to make more money. Whether or not that hurts the sport in the long run remains to be seen.
Rest assured that NASCAR doesn't shed one tear over one, two or even a few hundred thousand fans who are upset about their traditions being taken away. As far as they are concerned, there are millions of fans in places like California that are more than willing to part with a lot of their money regardless of how good or bad the racing is.
Those of us who grew up cheering for the likes of Richard Petty, David Pearson and Tim Richmond have been appreciated and dumped on in the name of progress. It aint pretty, but it is the truth.
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Nitro
Guest
My thing is......IF it is such a tradition...WHY WAS IT NOT SELLING OUT?
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EatMorePossum
Guest
For the record...Fontana didn't sell out either. So put that one to bed, it don't hold water.
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Gollum
Guest
I said this once. Nascar is wanting to move races North and West. To get away from the Sourthern image. They want it a national sport. :lol: That is just my 2 cents. Milage may vary.
racer8
Team Owner
from what I hear the only thing that sells out latley is the Bristol night race
Just my little bit of input.
Just my little bit of input.
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esorlxaw
Guest
i'm not sure the selling out is the issue, but a race in bristol tennessee will make headlines and people will watch for two reasons 1.) they are nascar fans or 2.) they are from the area and want to see what the hubub is about...so, while fontana didn't sell out, the hubub reaches a much bigger market of potential fans which will in turn watch races in tennessee and other locales such as talladega and atlanta...besides, there are a lot of races up in the northeast already, so moving around to places besides the south isn't anything new as far as I can tell.
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slick-nick
Guest
Hey, keep this debate going! It is great for the board if I do say so myself.
de7xwcc
Anarchist
your statment is not quite accurate,
2.) they are from the area and want to see what the hubub is about...
i am from the area and trust me the majority of tags you see are from out of state, you can't just buy tickets to the BMS races at the ticket office. the tickets are and have been sold out at least 2 years in advance for as long as i can remember.
scalper prices for the night race run anytwhere from $150.00 to $350.00 each
i don't blame the fans in cali. for wanting a race at fontana, what i blame is nascar for their , lack of a better word ... stupidity.
they set rockingham up to fail for years, ever been to a race in NC in feb. ? 9 times out of 10 you will freeze your butt off or get rained on, hell i've camped at the rock and got snowed on. I truly think you would have sell outs if given a more viable date.
and taking labor day from darlington, well thats like doin your sister, it's just wrong !!
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EatMorePossum
Guest
Let me break this down. I ain't singling you out axl, your quote is just the most convenient to use.
If it ain't about selling out, then why is that the only reason ever given for raping The Lady In Black and taking her jewels from her?
Racis in Bristol TN were not always the most popular on the schedule and won't be forever either. They don't sell out because they're in Bristol. They sell out because the racing at that track appeals to the largest percentage of current race fans. I live near Bristol. There ain't squat to do without a race. All the mumbo-jumbo we hear about "restaurants and things to do besides a race" when they shut down The Rock apply to Bristol too. The difference is, the folks at NASCAR have promoted Bristol. They have created the demand. Tell me the Ricky Craven/Kurt Busch finish at Darlington was less appealing to a race fan than any of the last 10 finishes at Bristol. Go ahead, I dare you.
So the folks at NASCAR, and by proxy the majority of the arguments I see posted here and elsewhere, are talking out of both sides of their mouth. It ain't about sales, but Darlington don't sell out and that's why. It's all about the racing action, but Rockingham was screwed because Molly Suburban the newbie race fan couldn't find a Gap outlet or a Red Lobster there when she got bored. Yet when someone points it out, their upbringing gets slammed, their motives called into question, their integrity takes a beating, and they generally get lambasted for it from all corners.
Glad I'm almost done with this mess. It ain't gonna take long at all before stock car racing starts sliding back down the scale popularity wise, losing money, and that results in ticket price increases and pay per view packages. Of course, when all that happens, NASCAR will spout off some line about inequitability in the current market and ever-increasing costs of production, and the gullible who are swallowing what they're being fed today will swallow that too.
Bon apetit.
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Anarchist
couldn't agree more