problems in nascar?

whats nascars biggest problem coming into 2004?

  • New points system

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  • The whole nascar organization(get new people to run it)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Toyota

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

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  • Nascar is just perfect

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I hit other....

I think there are several problems with NASCAR. My biggest problem with them is that I think they have forgotten where they came from. Sure, I know things change, but getting rid of things that help you get where you are now bugs me. North Wilkesboro, Darlington, Winston, bringing in a cooler full of drinks and food, decent ticket prices, ect, ect...

But I guess NASCAR is just like everything else. When it starts making money and getting the exposure it does now, it will exploit itself as far as it can.

I just hope its still around in a few years.......
 
I voted other too. There are, as fergy said, quite a few other things that rub me the wrong way that Nascar does. Their inconsistency on most things for one. :blink:
 
I too voted other. (and I only voted once Flametamer in case you are wondering.) I don't know if they really need new people to run NASCAR, just more consistency in the way it is ran. Somethings do need to change, like the point system, just don't think the change they are making is the right one.
 
I'd like to hear from the 6 folks who voted that "Nascar is just perfect". Please step forward and explain your votes! :wacko: Please don't be skeerd! :rolleyes:

Edit: now there are eight
 
:eek: Okay when I cast my vote there were like 4 people who thought Nascar was perfect and I like de7x thought what the heck are they smoking, but 8 come on. Someone needs to step up to the plate and let us in on why it is that Nascar is perfect.

edit:typo :p
 
I voted"new points system",but as majestyx pointed out already,the inconsistencies also tick Me off at times.

I can't believe that 8 members voted that NASCAR is perfect :lol:
 
Originally posted by 24thunder@Jan 20 2004, 11:01 AM
Good luck with finding any member that is stupi-,I mean brave,enough to vote that NASCAR is perfect :lol:
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Oh they'll vote it 24 they just won't admit to it. :lol:
 
I said other...

Sure things look wierd right now, but I can't blame it all on one thing on the list.

For the most part I think we're just experiencing some growing pains...I'll take NASCAR with all its imperfections over the NBA or MLB any day. (I remember when they used to have to dribble the basketball...)

The actual races are still great!

It's the other 6 days and 20 hours that stink right now!
 
Originally posted by DeeDee+Jan 20 2004, 12:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeeDee @ Jan 20 2004, 12:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--24thunder@Jan 20 2004, 11:01 AM
Good luck with finding any member that is stupi-,I mean brave,enough to vote that NASCAR is perfect :lol:
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Oh they'll vote it 24 they just won't admit to it. :lol: [/b][/quote]
scaredy cats :lol: j/k :D
 
i have to say the biggest problem in the points system. I think that is a little screwed up, but I am just a simple minded redneck. And the second biggest problem in defanitley toyota. Nascar should be for American Cars only, no little japanese cars.
 
Originally posted by majestyx+Jan 20 2004, 10:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (majestyx @ Jan 20 2004, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Splunge@Jan 20 2004, 10:14 AM
It's the other 6 days and 20 hours that stink right now!
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Ain't that the truth, Splunge! ;) [/b][/quote]
Guess I should have thrown that vote at the 'Oganization'....

Oh well....

:lol:
 
Originally posted by smack500@Jan 20 2004, 06:15 AM
Whats your biggest problem with nascar coming into 2004?
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I voted for the whole Nascar organization. They have forgot where they have come from and who got them there, have meddled too much in the parity of the cars instead of setting a basic set of rules and letting them run, don't have any kind of consistant policy for handling problems or rules violations and the new points system just tops it off.
 
Nascar has a lot of problems. But I voted the point system. We have seen the summit of Nascar popularty. Nascar is killing itself from within.In 5 years Roller Derby may be as popular as Nascar. :lol: As far as the 9 that voted that Nascar is perfect. Thye must be some of those guest that we hear nothing from. :lol:
 
Originally posted by Gollum@Jan 20 2004, 01:25 PM
.In 5 years Roller Derby may be as popular as Nascar. :lol:
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Hey I like roller derby. :wacko:
 
To answer your question Smack: The entire fried-chicken eating pseudo-political 'sanctioning' body is the biggest problem facing Top level stock car racing in this country. Not only has France and his empire all but crushed competing SCR circuits, but by constantly seeking profit above and beyond the pale is what is going to eventually destroy this sport. Grass-roots racers are being replaced by sound-bite spouting wannabe rock stars. 'Pop-racers' are the order of the day. And all with the organizations complete blessing and behind the scenes manipulation.
 
Sorry for not posting more, on my originall post. I picked the whole nascar organization, I think we need new people to run it. I think the curent administration has shown how idiotic they are. alot of people here say theres lots of problems. well to me all of those problems were created by one problem the nascar organization. The buck started and stops there. No questions about it for me.
 
I cannot beleive nascar is perfect is tied for most votes, must be rajflyboy and his other 8 names he has.
 
Originally posted by millermagic@Jan 20 2004, 11:55 AM
i have to say the biggest problem in the points system. I think that is a little screwed up, but I am just a simple minded redneck. And the second biggest problem in defanitley toyota. Nascar should be for American Cars only, no little japanese cars.
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So all american manufacturers should pull out of international racing leagues???

Also General motors, ford, and chrysler all have huge percentage of cars being built in other countrys. All of toyotas trucks are made in the usa. Majority of fords are made outisde of the us, I seriously dont see how you can call any of these manufacturers any less american then toyota.
 
I'm one of the now ten "perfect" voters. I look at nascar as something I enjoy, as long as I can watch a race every weekend and be happy when I'm done (even if my favorite driver didn't win) then I think everything is fine. That's why...new points system? Sounds fine. Toyota? C'mon, get real. New people? Who cares. Good drivers, fast cars, great tracks...I'm happy.
 
I voted other.

I don't think NASCAR is in really bad shape. They certainly have quite a few problems though.

Such as...

The very heavy, very expensive relying they do on aerodynamics and the common templates they use to level the field. It bugs me to no end that you can't tell one model from another on the track without seeing the emblem on the front. A Chevy, a Ford and a Dodge should not look exactly the same except for a logo on the front of it.

Restrictor plate "races". I will leave it at that

Inconsistency of rules enforcement. If the rule says you get black flagged for going below the yellow line to pass, it shouldn't matter what your last name is. You should be black flagged if you break the rule.
 
Originally posted by majestyx@Jan 20 2004, 10:41 AM
I'd like to hear from the 6 folks who voted that "Nascar is just perfect". Please step forward and explain your votes! :wacko: Please don't be skeerd! :rolleyes:

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probably the same people who voted for biffle to win the 500 :wacko:
 
Originally posted by millermagic@Jan 20 2004, 11:55 AM
i have to say the biggest problem in the points system. I think that is a little screwed up, but I am just a simple minded redneck. And the second biggest problem in defanitley toyota. Nascar should be for American Cars only, no little japanese cars.
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Oh god :wacko: I don't know if you've looked at toyota latley but the camry is made in USA and also the tundra, I think all makes should try NASCAR, if ya got the bucks come on in, let the fords and chevy's whoop on your a$$, the people that don't like toyota coming in act like toyota is going to ruin the sport, it's not going to ruin it, it will make more competitive.
 
Originally posted by steveluvs3@Jan 20 2004, 07:19 PM
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Oh god :wacko:&nbsp; I don't know if you've looked at toyota latley but the camry is made in USA and also the tundra, I think all makes should try NASCAR, if ya got the bucks come on in, let the fords and chevy's whoop on your a$$, the people that don't like toyota coming in act like toyota is going to ruin the sport, it's not going to ruin it, it will make more competitive.
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Did you watch the IRL at all last year? Toyota and Honda came in last year and beat the snot out of Chevy.
 
That's IRL, this is NASCAR. Toyota has been in indy type cars for awhile.
 
Originally posted by steveluvs3@Jan 20 2004, 07:53 PM
That's IRL, this is NASCAR. Toyota has been in indy type cars for awhile.
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They may've been in CART, but not not the IRL and those are two completly different things. Toyota will come in full guns blazing and it'll take a NASCAR rules change to keep them from winning 75% of the races.
 
I believe that if you exclude manufacturers just because they come from a different country is just plain bigotry.

Hell, I believe some of the roman traditionalists back in ancient times hated it when a greek competed in their chariot races. Hey, what happened to the romans later on?

America is a melting pot of races, ok, I know this first hand because I'm not even caucasian which is the majority race in the country. As long as the higher powers let it be, then hopefully may it's sports be a melting pot of manufacturers, players and other things.

There, my $.02 displayed.
 
Originally posted by Parkfan+Jan 20 2004, 09:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Parkfan @ Jan 20 2004, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--steveluvs3@Jan 20 2004, 07:53 PM
That's IRL, this is NASCAR. Toyota has been in indy type cars for awhile.
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They may've been in CART, but not not the IRL and those are two completly different things. Toyota will come in full guns blazing and it'll take a NASCAR rules change to keep them from winning 75% of the races. [/b][/quote]
I seriously doubt that, I'll be suprised if toyo wins 1 race in the CTS, Dodge has a pretty good strangle hold right now and if I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it.
 
Did you know that Toyota won the championship last year in NASCAR's Goody Dash series with driver Robert Huffman? So it's not like this is their first year in NASCAR as all the media fuss would lead you to believe.

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I to think people will be shocked how strong Toyotas are when the season actually gets started. Toyota is not one to sit back and wait, they do whatever possible to be a winner.
 
I personally am looking forward to more competition. I'd like to see Honda, Mitsubishi, and a couple other major 'brands' make it in.

Mostly this is because these are cars that you see every day on the highway. I don't think Pugeot, Citron etc should be allowed in, but these others are cars that make up a significant percentace of the cars in America.

I'd like to see the track be representative of the daily race I'm in (my I-70 commute)!! :lol:
 
moving away from tradition and leaving the fans who have watched the sport 10 years ago.
 
Originally posted by PettyBenson@Jan 21 2004, 12:17 PM
moving away from tradition and leaving the fans who have watched the sport 10 years ago.
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I guess we need to tell the Panters they are out of the Super-Bowl since the are an Expansion Team...

Tradition and all.....

;)
 
i voted the new points sytems. The toyotas dont bother me as much as the point system, the fact is plain and simple. Nascar will not have a "season champion" they will only be like a 10 race champion which i believe drains all the other interest out of the other races. So my predictions is that nascar may drop alittle when racing starts and gets going and maybe back to normal in the last 10 races maybe because football will be back on so we will have to wait and see.
 
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