Push to pass in Nascar?

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I am sure this has been brought up before but I am just wondering if anyone else thinks this might put a little more excitement back into this merry-go-round racing we have seen a lot of..
 
Absolutely not! Driving aids and gimmicks belong in open wheel. We have the Chase and that's plenty of gimmick for me. Soft tires, remove the splitter, chop the spoiler down, and make them run the air damn open would all be steps in the right direction. I'll agree some of the racing hasn't been the best but it's been decent.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
Absolutely not! Driving aids and gimmicks belong in open wheel. We have the Chase and that's plenty of gimmick for me. Soft tires, remove the splitter, chop the spoiler down, and make them run the air damn open would all be steps in the right direction. I'll agree some of the racing hasn't been the best but it's been decent.
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YUP.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Or fix the tracks by reconfiguring them in to short tracks, dirt tracks and road courses.
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Turn many of the boring 1.5's into rovals. Put a wide bus stop on every back stretch 1/4 the way off turn 2. That will liven things up, and it wouldn't be very expensive.
 
If you want to change Nascar , you've obviously hit the mother load .:D
 
Another fantastic idea for this sport! Do you think that there's any way that they can add those little colored turtle shells that they can shoot at the car in front of them? You know, the ones that can knock the other car off of the track. That would be cool too. Could you imagine if Kenseth would have had one of those during that last lap of this past weekends race. Bye bye Tony. That would have been a classic moment to remember. :rolleyes:
 
Wow, great replies folks, I appreciate all the input. I myself just want NASCAR to do something, anything to make my 3 hours on my couch on Sundays more exciting than watching 43 guys follow each other around a circle.
 
NASCAR will never go there. But if they are stupid enough to do so, count me as one fan who will leave.
 
I think Nascar is working on the right things, a more stock appearing car, and more mechanical grip. Those are fundamental corrections that should help the racing. Better than push to pass imo.
PCs and racing? I don't even like em in the pits.



It is easy to be critical, but there are two competitive camps, Nascar/fans wanting passing, but almost evenly matched cars.


Then you have a driver/crew Cheif wanting to destroy the competition. It ain't always simple to regulate matters.
 
Unlike other sports where the equipment and technology basically stays the same, NASCAR is in charge of monitoring a constantly moving target where the have to continuously react to consistently evolving technology, some of which actually degrades the quality of racing.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Can someone remind me what that date is for 'Back in the Day'?
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It is subjective but when the hoods, roofs, trunks, and side panels looked like real factory metal or real cars.
Before the COT and twisted sisters. Somewhere in the late 80s it started loosing the connection.




To enhance this post: Start sanging.' stop rolling down a hill, like a snowball headed for Hell' by Haggard, and look down at the coffee like you lost your best friend....
 
Greg said:
It is subjective but when the hoods, roofs, trunks, and side panels looked like real factory metal or real cars.
Before the COT and twisted sisters. Somewhere in the late 80s it started loosing the connection.
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Do you think when the 2013 more factory representing models hit the track next Daytona we can call it Back Into the Day? ;) That's about as close as we're going to get.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Do you think when the 2013 more factory representing models hit the track next Daytona we can call it Back Into the Day? ;) That's about as close as we're going to get.
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I'm not too enthusiastic about this new car being much better than the one we have now.
 
FenderBumper said:
They may look different, but it will come with the same racing problems as the old one.
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Yeh that is what I was thinking, they aren't getting rid of the splitter correct? The only thing that might be good about them is that the front and rear bumpers maybe won't match up so they won't be able to push each other. This might get rid of the stupid rules they had to put in place for the plate tracks concerning cooling.
 
FenderBumper said:
They may look different, but it will come with the same racing problems as the old one.
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More than likely aas they still are what we call common template racecars. They look great though and is a huge step in the right direction. Speaking of the new car F••d has already made some changes to there's. Here is the article if you haven't seen it.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nascar/story/2012-06-11/ford-2013-sprint-cup-car-nascar-new-body-design
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The Fusion and Challenger are a step in the right direction. I still remember my disgust when the CoT's first hit the track and it was impossible to tell one from the other.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I'm not too enthusiastic about this new car being much better than the one we have now.
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D'ya think ? They are just reskinning the cars on the same platform and equalizing the aero effect , in order to appease whineing fans . Net change ...zero . And ...the whineing won't stop.
 
ted@economy said:
D'ya think ? They are just reskinning the cars on the same platform and equalizing the aero effect , in order to appease whineing fans . Net change ...zero . And ...the whineing won't stop.
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The Brain and his minions think that the look of the car is more important than the quality of the racing. :rolleyes:

They are both important, but fix the racing first! If you don't want to believe what the drivers have been saying since the arrival of the CoT, you're beyond help.
 
But cup cars have been skinned on a wide range frames or chassis that did match the models for decades, was going on in the 60s, probably the 50s.
 
Greg said:
But cup cars have been skinned on a wide range frames or chassis that did match the models for decades, was going on in the 60s, probably the 50s.
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The reason nascar went to the unified CoT BODY is pure laziness. One size fits all jig is easier to regulate than 4 different bodies with different specs.
 
FenderBumper said:
The reason nascar went to the unified CoT BODY is pure laziness. One size fits all jig is easier to regulate than 4 different bodies with different specs.
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The initial reasons the COT was brought about was to cut costs for the teams and for safety. I'm all for safety, but sacraficing good racing...well I think Nascar might be getting the message. Hurt them a little more in the pocketbook and maybe they will really start listening.
 
Mopardh9 said:
The initial reasons the COT was brought about was to cut costs for the teams and for safety.
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You can have all that in different body styles, IF you're willing to set fair and seperate standards for each. Teams said they didn't want to spend money on aero, but they do anyway.
 
FenderBumper said:
You can have all that in different body styles, IF you're willing to set fair and seperate standards for each. Teams said they didn't want to spend money on aero, but they do anyway.
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Just like they have to spend additional for plate racing, Nascar has always been one to say one thing and do another. Sure they used the excuse that too many teams were bitching about other teams having brand advantages. Where was Nascar when Johnson wone 5 in a row with a Chevy? During that time period you sure could tell what your favorite driver was driving. I always thought is was cool what the teams would do to tweak things amongest the different brands, why on crew chief liked a Chevy over a Buick or Ford or Pontiac. It made it interesting and the fans of course could identify with the cars like we all have been saying for years now. I miss that a lot. I miss Chevy getting a 1/4" smaller spoiler because the Ford boys were bitching they were too fast. What nascar lacks the most is adjustability with the cars, I feel that there is a definte correlation with adjustability and better racing.
 
JJ only won 1 purely in the old car in 2006. 2007 (16 CoT races), '08 , '09 and '10 were the CoT.
 
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