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I'm not sure how that would work at all. Unlike the other "leagues" the owners and the commissioner do not run the sport. I'm not one to support Brian France on much of ANYTHING, but I would perceive a move like that as a threat, and not react well. I'm sure Murst5ein was kidding, but I'll just say that for one of the ONLY times ever, I agree with Jerry Jones. Goodell is a dumpster fire and needs to go.
 
I'm hearing the 77 charter was paid for with a combination of pocket change, gift cards and an IOU.
 
Seems simple enough to me.

NASCAR can't run a Cup race without those 36 teams. Among many other problems, to do so would very likely breach their contractual obligations to their broadcast partners.
 
aunty dive said:
Seems simple enough to me.

NASCAR can't run a Cup race without those 36 teams. Among many other problems, to do so would very likely breach their contractual obligations to their broadcast partners.
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It is highly likely that Nascar's broadcast partners have codicils protecting them from things like field size and ratings. Nascar has the ability to artificially manipulate the field size so I don't see that being a problem however a minimum ratings clause could easily bite them unless things turn around.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
It is highly likely that Nascar's broadcast partners have codicils protecting them from things like field size and ratings. Nascar has the ability to artificially manipulate the field size so I don't see that being a problem however a minimum ratings clause could easily bite them unless things turn around.
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NASCAR supplies the product which includes a field of x number of teams, their cars and their stars ... the things broadcasters can use to promote their racing productions in order to garner viewers. Broadcasters supply production and are responsible for numbers of eyeballs. I would be very surprised if what NASCAR is required to provide isn't covered by contract.
 
aunty dive said:
Seems simple enough to me.

NASCAR can't run a Cup race without those 36 teams. Among many other problems, to do so would very likely breach their contractual obligations to their broadcast partners.
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I bet they have problems getting 36 cars for every race in 2018.
 
StandOnIt said:
You might want to save that for the Bold Prediction thread for next year if they have one..might be a player.
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Just saying, even with the 36 charters there is no guarantee that 36 will be there every week, depends on sponsorship and funds.
 
I really thought this topic would be of more interest to posters.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Just saying, even with the 36 charters there is no guarantee that 36 will be there every week, depends on sponsorship and funds.
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For sure as if the proper sponsorship dollars are not present what you would get for finishing in 33rd place is not going to be worth going to certain tracks for.
 
2 Sweet said:
JTG bought a charter for the 37 team. The charter they used for the 37 last year was a lease.
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That makes sense as I never read anything about a 3rd team being added or anything about sponsorship.
 
2 Sweet said:
JTG bought a charter for the 37 team. The charter they used for the 37 last year was a lease.
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Ah I think they are going with three. I know late this year they said Buescher was theirs, cut the Roush ties all set for 2018.

A Chevrolet team, JTG Daugherty Racing has confirmed two drivers for the 2018 NASCAR Cup Series season, although a driver for the #77 charter has not been named.
Chris Buescher is will return for the second full-time season as the driver of the #37 Chevrolet, and AJ Allmendinger is set to return to the team for the fifth full-time season as the driver of the #47 Chevrolet.
 
FLRacingFan said:
What does this thing even do anymore? Furniture Row aren't a part of it and it doesn't seem to affect them.
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It seems to me that RTA fingerprints are present on many (probably most) major aspects of Nascar governance in the last few years... rules packages, personnel limits, multi-use engines, race formats, championship formats, and others. I think the race teams' guiding philosophy is, "United we stand, divided we fall."

When the RTA was formed, the response from Nascar was, "If the RTA wishes to communicate with Nascar, it should do that through our attorneys." Within a year or two, Nascar and the teams both were lauding the new spirit of collaboration between the sanctioning body, the teams, and others in the industry.

I think this new collaborative governance is a good thing. I'm sure the social media junta of Time Machine Travelers (rallying cry: "Make it 1975 again!") disagrees with that opinion. [Not saying that @FLRacingFan is a member of that junta. He is not.]
 
LewTheShoe said:
It seems to me that RTA fingerprints are present on many (probably most) major aspects of Nascar governance in the last few years... rules packages, personnel limits, multi-use engines, race formats, championship formats, and others. I think the race teams' guiding philosophy is, "United we stand, divided we fall."

When the RTA was formed, the response from Nascar was, "If the RTA wishes to communicate with Nascar, it should do that through our attorneys." Within a year or two, Nascar and the teams both were lauding the new spirit of collaboration between the sanctioning body, the teams, and others in the industry.

I think this new collaborative governance is a good thing. I'm sure the social media junta of Time Machine Travelers (rallying cry: "Make it 1975 again!") disagrees with that opinion. [Not saying that @FLRacingFan is a member of that junta. He is not.]
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Nascar is not dealing from a position of strength as the days of being a benevolent dictator are long gone so they must listen to broadcast partners, teams and drivers. Normally the first round of cuts in just about anything mainly trims the fat and that is what it looks like Nascar and the teams have agreed upon. As less money flows in painful cuts that alter the series will have to take place. As the money spigot slows even further the series will not be able to attract the best and the brightest as they will move to different fields of endeavor.

I doubt many people would see the teams and Nascar collaborating as something bad because changes were made to reduce expenses and on track product won't be diminished. While I agree with that the problem with it is that the on track product has been diminished over the years you can't really do much more to water it down or make it worse in the eyes of the public. I realize there is a contingent that believes the racing has never been better than today and that there is no such thing as a bad race but unfortunately those people are being dwarfed by the numbers exiting the series as fans.
 
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^ I don't believe the people are not going to the track because of the quality of racing. Almost every poster in this forum that go to more than 1 race SEEM to really enjoy the weekend. Having said that, I believe the reason for the drop off is many older fans are just not up to the task anymore and the great surge in attendance was a fluke and they could not keep those fans. So all the tracks will have to return to a system that can support itself.

I also believe the TV viewership is dropping because the product is just plain bad. No one can keep on producing a TV series that no one watches. The networks must make up new shows in the hope they can meet watchers approval. Problem is they just copy each other so there is very little or no choice available.

It is not a matter of going back to what worked in the past, that has no more appeal than having late 50's car radios and tape decks. Nascar has to quit trying to patch what they have and reinvent racing made for TV and have Track experiences that will make new fans want to return.
You can spend millions in new seats and grand stands as well as new pavement but if the product continues to be the same then any new people just won't return.
 
Team Penske said:
^ I don't believe the people are not going to the track because of the quality of racing. Almost every poster in this forum that go to more than 1 race SEEM to really enjoy the weekend. Having said that, I believe the reason for the drop off is many older fans are just not up to the task anymore and the great surge in attendance was a fluke and they could not keep those fans. So all the tracks will have to return to a system that can support itself.

I also believe the TV viewership is dropping because the product is just plain bad. No one can keep on producing a TV series that no one watches. The networks must make up new shows in the hope they can meet watchers approval. Problem is they just copy each other so there is very little or no choice available.

It is not a matter of going back to what worked in the past, that has no more appeal than having late 50's car radios and tape decks. Nascar has to quit trying to patch what they have and reinvent racing made for TV and have Track experiences that will make new fans want to return.
You can spend millions in new seats and grand stands as well as new pavement but if the product continues to be the same then any new people just won't return.
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Good points and getting in and out of tracks and back to vehicles can be a real challenge for anyone that has sustained injuries over a lifetime or has heart problems, arthritis or any other wonderful afflictions that can come with age. I understand that the tracks don't have to sell a seat in order to turn a profit due to the generous allotment from the TV money and as long as that system is in place they have no worries at all. If and when that ceases to be a day of reckoning will happen as some tracks may no longer be able to afford to hold Nascar races.

The people I know that left Nascar did so in waves over a period of years. The first group left when the Chase was announced, the second when the CoT came in and the last group left because they did not like all the rule changes and found the racing boring. I agree 100% that going back to a specific point in time and trying to replicate it is a bad idea as you will end up worse off then when you began. As you say the key is to find out what young people want and give it to them in spades and that way the series can grow naturally as fathers watch races with sons and go to the track together.

There is no question that things need to be changed around at tracks as from what I understand you can't even get good internet service at most of them. For me something like that is not an issue but it is a huge deal for younger people. Also younger people need a reasonable place at a reasonable price to stay overnight as young people don't appear to be enamored with camping as much as in years past. Older people can make fun of younger people and call them slackers and snowflakes but like it or not they are the present and the future and need to be conquered as customers.
 
Part of the problem is a lot of that generation are lousy customers and are not interested in being conquered. You can't sell products to people that have no interest in owning them, or no interest in working hard enough to be able to afford them. There are a lot of younger people that seem to aspire to nothing more than a place to lay their head, and have enough cash to pay their cell phone bill and buy a mocha latte. As the ultimate consumer driven sport, that's a tough sell for NASCAR. Even if they like the sport, if they don't buy the sponsor's products, we are right back where we started.
 
Nascar is the most watched racing series in the U.S. I've heard no plans about curtailing F-1 coverage which by far is the lowest watched series in the U.S. In fact NBC is very happy with the modest rise in viewership this year and ESPN bought the rights (multi year) for broadcasting next year. That is with an average audience of around a half a million viewers. Nascar has close to six times that number in comparison. Nascar in conjunction with the RTA are making smart cuts that will help the bottom line. Speaking about the real bottom line instead of what if's, both of the major players in Nascar made money last year.

Formula One races have enjoyed a viewership surge in recent months. Through 14 races shown across NBC, NBCSN and CNBC , the 2017 season has drawn an average of 548,000 viewers, according to Nielsen, up 13% from the same point in the 2016 season. Viewership for 12 races shown on cable during the 2017 season to date is up 135% from the 2013 season. NBC Sports first gained rights to the sport in 2013.
 
Formerjackman said:
Part of the problem is a lot of that generation are lousy customers and are not interested in being conquered. You can't sell products to people that have no interest in owning them, or no interest in working hard enough to be able to afford them. There are a lot of younger people that seem to aspire to nothing more than a place to lay their head, and have enough cash to pay their cell phone bill and buy a mocha latte. As the ultimate consumer driven sport, that's a tough sell for NASCAR. Even if they like the sport, if they don't buy the sponsor's products, we are right back where we started.
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Of course there are a lot of those young people that are serving our country and protecting our liberty too. Whatever the case is it is incumbent on Nascar to supply a product people wish to consume by attaining or exceeding the expectations of its customers. They are failing in that regard.

StandOnIt said:
Nascar is the most watched racing series in the U.S. I've heard no plans about curtailing F-1 coverage which by far is the lowest watched series in the U.S. In fact NBC is very happy with the modest rise in viewership this year and ESPN bought the rights (multi year) for broadcasting next year. That is with an average audience of around a half a million viewers. Nascar has close to six times that number in comparison. Nascar in conjunction with the RTA are making smart cuts that will help the bottom line. Speaking about the real bottom line instead of what if's, both of the major players in Nascar made money last year.

Formula One races have enjoyed a viewership surge in recent months. Through 14 races shown across NBC, NBCSN and CNBC , the 2017 season has drawn an average of 548,000 viewers, according to Nielsen, up 13% from the same point in the 2016 season. Viewership for 12 races shown on cable during the 2017 season to date is up 135% from the 2013 season. NBC Sports first gained rights to the sport in 2013.
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Both F1 and Indy Car are making small, slow and deliberate gains which is the way to build an audience. The networks probably like the fans of those series as they may be better educated, have more discretionary income and are likely younger. I would need to look it up to know for sure.

One thing that is easy to forget is that the number of viewers are important but the age of the viewer is even more important and that is where Nascar falls down quite hard. On any given week Nascar can have 70% plus of its viewers be over 50 and that is poison to advertisers and advertisers are the stick that stirs the drink. I don't like it anymore than you do but in terms of demographics the powers that be say our time has come and gone.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Of course there are a lot of those young people that are serving our country and protecting our liberty too. Whatever the case is it is incumbent on Nascar to supply a product people wish to consume by attaining or exceeding the expectations of its customers. They are failing in that regard.



Both F1 and Indy Car are making small, slow and deliberate gains which is the way to build an audience. The networks probably like the fans of those series as they may be better educated, have more discretionary income and are likely younger. I would need to look it up to know for sure.

One thing that is easy to forget is that the number of viewers are important but the age of the viewer is even more important and that is where Nascar falls down quite hard. On any given week Nascar can have 70% plus of its viewers be over 50 and that is poison to advertisers and advertisers are the stick that stirs the drink. I don't like it anymore than you do but in terms of demographics the powers that be say our time has come and gone.
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It doesn't matter if they watch every second of every race. If the sponsors don't see a bump in product sales to go along with it, you have nothing.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Of course there are a lot of those young people that are serving our country and protecting our liberty too. Whatever the case is it is incumbent on Nascar to supply a product people wish to consume by attaining or exceeding the expectations of its customers. They are failing in that regard.



Both F1 and Indy Car are making small, slow and deliberate gains which is the way to build an audience. The networks probably like the fans of those series as they may be better educated, have more discretionary income and are likely younger. I would need to look it up to know for sure.

One thing that is easy to forget is that the number of viewers are important but the age of the viewer is even more important and that is where Nascar falls down quite hard. On any given week Nascar can have 70% plus of its viewers be over 50 and that is poison to advertisers and advertisers are the stick that stirs the drink. I don't like it anymore than you do but in terms of demographics the powers that be say our time has come and gone.
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That a a very long winded same ol same ol. But the facts are that Nascar has 6 times the viewership of F-1 the numbers are there. Another fact is that ESPN just bought the rights for a multi year contract to broadcast the F-1 races. No matter how you slice it, them is the facts as they say. 7 more years for Nascar. Facts
 
StandOnIt said:
That a a very long winded same ol same ol. But the facts are that Nascar has 6 times the viewership of F-1 the numbers are there. Another fact is that ESPN just bought the rights for a multi year contract to broadcast the F-1 races. No matter how you slice it, them is the facts as they say. 7 more years for Nascar. Facts
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It's all good as I have no issue with what you have stated. Some other facts are that Nascar is coming off its worst season viewership wise this century, the season finale was the lowest in memory, Nascar tracks are still removing seats to keep up with lack of demand, sponsorships are worth much less to the teams today then they were 3 years ago, Martinsville is famous for its hot dogs and is nicknamed the paperclip and Nascar has a very old audience. We both have stated facts and there is no reason to be mad, sad or happy as it is just how things are right? It is all good!
 
StandOnIt said:
That a a very long winded same ol same ol. But the facts are that Nascar has 6 times the viewership of F-1 the numbers are there. Another fact is that ESPN just bought the rights for a multi year contract to broadcast the F-1 races. No matter how you slice it, them is the facts as they say. 7 more years for Nascar. Facts
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ESPN didn't so much buy the U.S. F1 rights as claim them. They aren't paying a rights fee, and it appears they won't even be sending a crew or announcers to the races, but instead will be simulcasting the international feed produced from Britain. NBC originally wanted to continue, but dropped out over F1's insistence on establishing their own subscription streaming service, which NBC didn't want to compete against for viewers. While the North American races will air prominently on ABC, the bulk of F1 broadcasting is clearly headed in a different direction. I do look for the USGP to continue to make gains, and if the new F1 ownership is serious about adding another American date or two, the series could become much more relevant here. Of course even as it has declined, worldwide viewership of F1 dwarfs any other form of racing.
 
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