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This is from Nascar.com. I wonder how long before they change it...


1 Regan Smith 190 195.796 48.91 0.000 1 2333 [+]

Regan Smith
No. 01DEI / Principal Financial GroupChevrolet
Status: Active
Position: 1Start: 4High: 34Low: 1
Speed: 195.796Best: 199.771Avg.: 123.589
Time: 48.91Best: 47.94Avg: 77.48
Pit Stops: Last: Lap Time: Entry: Exit: Close
2 Tony Stewart 190 195.297 49.03 0.021 23 5500 [+]

Tony Stewart
No. 20Subway / Home DepotToyota
Status: Active
Position: 2Start: 34High: 37Low: 1
Speed: 195.297Best: 198.286Avg.: 123.609
Time: 49.03Best: 48.29Avg: 77.47
Pit Stops: Last: Lap Time: Entry: Exit: Close
3 Paul Menard 190 195.764 48.92 0.074 6 2654 [+]

Paul Menard
No. 15Menards / John ManvilleChevrolet
Status: Active
Position: 3Start: 5High: 29Low: 1
Speed: 195.764Best: 198.738Avg.: 123.590
Time: 48.92Best: 48.18Avg: 77.48
Pit Stops: Last: Lap Time: Entry: Exit: Close
4 David Ragan 190 195.624 48.95 0.206 11 3534 [+]

David Ragan
No. 6AAA TravelFord
Status: Active
Position: 4Start: 16High: 41Low: 1
Speed: 195.624Best: 198.817Avg.: 123.618
Time: 48.95Best: 48.16Avg: 77.46
Pit Stops: Last: Lap Time: Entry: Exit: Close
5 Jeff Burton 190 195.321 49.03 0.379 8 5614 [+]
 
Can't pass below the yellow line. Black and white....

Of course that's not to say this won't be debated for a very long time.
 
VaDirt said:
Can't pass below the yellow line. Black and white....

Of course that's not to say this won't be debated for a very long time.
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Another example why ARCA is where the real racing is.

ARCA says "on the last lap, anything goes."
 
Regan Smith won that race, what was he supposed to do wipe out tony. If he did we would be saying it was the most desperate move to win since vickers took out Jimmie and JR.

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Well, it's confusing to say the least. All race long they talk about not being able to gain position below the yellow line. Then they say if the checkers are waving you can? He made the move so Tony blocked him and forced him. I don't know what to say except that NASCRAP better decide what it's real rules are.

Personally, I'm glad Tony got a win, especially for Zippy. I know it's all going to be debated that he didn't win, but at first my husband and I were saying, HUH?!!, when they said Smith won because they kept talking about the yellow line all race. Now I hear other drivers saying you CAN with the checkers out. Some people are saying Nascar did it to give Tony the win. I don't really think Tony is a favorite of theirs, do any of you? Whatever... I'm happy for Zippy .... and Tony. So shoot me. Just don't throw things. :D LOL :::::::::::::ducking and running now:::::::::::::
 
If Smith made a mistake it was probably in not moving Stewart sooner.
 
Just saw the post-race interview with Smith, where he say he disagrees with Nascar 110%. Goes on tho say that week after week, Nascar talks in the drivers meeting about the yellow line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that rule pretty much limited to the two restrictor plate tracks?
 
They said in the drivers meeting "If you are forced below the yellow line you CANNOT advance your position if you do give it back" also if NASCAR finds you purposly force someone below the yellow line you might get penalized, might is the keyword.
 
Either Regan Smith won today's race or Kevin Harvick won the 2003 Aaron's 499 at Talladega.

Can't have it both ways. :mad:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Either Regan Smith won today's race or Kevin Harvick won the 2003 Aaron's 499 at Talladega.

Can't have it both ways. :mad:
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I was at the race in 2003 when Jr passed below the yellow line.

Im going to look up the video, but i belive Mark Martin was "pushed" below the yellow line in a truck race, and he still won.
 
VaDirt said:
Just saw the post-race interview with Smith, where he say he disagrees with Nascar 110%. Goes on tho say that week after week, Nascar talks in the drivers meeting about the yellow line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that rule pretty much limited to the two restrictor plate tracks?
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No, you are not wrong. The yellow line only comes into play at Daytona and Talladega.
 
well my first thought is that Smith & Menard should have made the move outside at the end of the backstraight they could've both powered past Tony and one of them would have won. as far as the front stretch deal, i watched that replay three times & there's no one that can tell me different. Smith won the race. Stewart clearly forced him below the yellow line. Smith faked him out with a look to the outside & Tony bought it & tried to block, when he realized the kid had him on the inside he forced the issue cause he hadn't won in sooo long & had never won at Talladega in a Cup car. Smith got the shaft cause he's a rookie meaning obviously he didn't know what he was doing. I think he drove a great race & DEI was robbed for sure.
 
Restrictor Plate King! said:
well my first thought is that Smith & Menard should have made the move outside at the end of the backstraight they could've both powered past Tony and one of them would have won. as far as the front stretch deal, i watched that replay three times & there's no one that can tell me different. Smith won the race. Stewart clearly forced him below the yellow line. Smith faked him out with a look to the outside & Tony bought it & tried to block, when he realized the kid had him on the inside he forced the issue cause he hadn't won in sooo long & had never won at Talladega in a Cup car. Smith got the shaft cause he's a rookie meaning obviously he didn't know what he was doing. I think he drove a great race & DEI was robbed for sure.
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Backstretch may have been too early. It would have given someone time to pull up behind Tony. But, Smith and Menard should have gone together coming out of 4. Then if Tony goes up to block one goes low and the other remains high.
 
I'm sure many will disagree, but to me, being "forced" below the yellow line would indicate that you actually had the position, which Smith did not.
 
VaDirt said:
I'm sure many will disagree, but to me, being "forced" below the yellow line would indicate that you actually had the position, which Smith did not.
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But if he were in the Craftsman Truck race Saturday then what he did was fine and he would have won. The truckers were told that as long as you could see the Start/Finish line on the last lap you could go below the yellow, ala Johnny Benson last year. This is per Bodine being interviewed by Myers on Sirius.
 
barelypure said:
But if he were in the Craftsman Truck race Saturday then what he did was fine and he would have won. The truckers were told that as long as you could see the Start/Finish line on the last lap you could go below the yellow, ala Johnny Benson last year. This is per Bodine being interviewed by Myers on Sirius.
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I keep saying this, and no one gets it. Different series, different race director and officials. Really, it doesn't matter what happened in the truck series, because it doesn't pertain to the Cup series.
 
wilson89 said:
Is there any follow up storys on Denny Hamlin?
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I'm going to do a search again today. There was no update as of late last night. There are some reports that say his ankle was bruised, but should be OK. I read on another board it was broken. Sounds like what happened to Dario in his accident.
 
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/nascars-hamlin-released-alabama-hospital

NASCAR's Hamlin released from Alabama hospital

By Dustin Long
The Virginian-Pilot
© October 6, 2008
Denny Hamlin was released this morning from a Birmingham, Ala., hospital, Joe Gibbs Racing announced.

Hamlin spent the night for observation after his crash in Sunday's NASCAR Sprint Cup race at Talladega Superspeedway. Hamlin crashed when his right front tire blew and sent him into the wall hard. He was helped by safety officials in exiting the car and placed on a stretcher.

J.D. Gibbs, president of Joe Gibbs Racing, said during the race that it appeared Hamlin might have an ankle injury and a headache. The news release from the team Monday morning did not reveal any injuries.

Hamlin finished 39th.
 
VaDirt said:
I keep saying this, and no one gets it. Different series, different race director and officials. Really, it doesn't matter what happened in the truck series, because it doesn't pertain to the Cup series.
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That's why I prefaced it with say if he were in CTS. :)
But, am I the only one that finds it odd that there would be this huge difference in rules?
 
barelypure said:
But, am I the only one that finds it odd that there would be this huge difference in rules?
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No.

That's very odd.

I don't think that's an actual rule though, more or less a bull$h!t excuse off the cuff because NASCAR couldn't come up with anything better.
 
barelypure said:
That's why I prefaced it with say if he were in CTS. :)
But, am I the only one that finds it odd that there would be this huge difference in rules?
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I don't think so. The trucks are advertised as a more rough-n-tumble series than the other two. They tend to get away with more on the track to begin with, and always have. And at the same time, we've also seen them actually park drivers for a race in the truck series. And I can't remember the incident, but there was something with Musgrave last year where the penalty was completely different from what you'd see in Cup for a similar violation. And look even farther down the chain. The Nascar Whelen Mod series has been know to take wins away...they're still Nascar, but a different series altogether.

Personally, I think there should be distuingishble differences between the series. Keep each one with it's own identity as much as possible.
 
VaDirt said:
I don't think so. The trucks are advertised as a more rough-n-tumble series than the other two. They tend to get away with more on the track to begin with, and always have. And at the same time, we've also seen them actually park drivers for a race in the truck series. And I can't remember the incident, but there was something with Musgrave last year where the penalty was completely different from what you'd see in Cup for a similar violation. And look even farther down the chain. The Nascar Whelen Mod series has been know to take wins away...they're still Nascar, but a different series altogether.

Personally, I think there should be distuingishble differences between the series. Keep each one with it's own identity as much as possible.
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... and since you can only pass to the outside, let's change NASCAR Cup Series to NASCAR Trainracing Series. :rolleyes:
 
Harvick was black flagged for spinning someone out intentionly in a Saturday truck race and parked. For a time there was talk they might park him for the cup race the following day. Childress intervened. At that time Nascar said a penalty in one series wouldn't be carried over to another.
Different series, different rules but track rules at all tracks should be the same.
 
SST55 said:
Harvick was black flagged for spinning someone out intentionly in a Saturday truck race and parked. For a time there was talk they might park him for the cup race the following day. Childress intervened. At that time Nascar said a penalty in one series wouldn't be carried over to another.
Different series, different rules but track rules at all tracks should be the same.
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A few years ago, Harvick sat out a Cup race for actions he did in the Truck Series...
 
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SST55 said:
Harvick was black flagged for spinning someone out intentionly in a Saturday truck race and parked. For a time there was talk they might park him for the cup race the following day. Childress intervened. At that time Nascar said a penalty in one series wouldn't be carried over to another.
Different series, different rules but track rules at all tracks should be the same.
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MARTINSVILLE, Va. -- Kevin Harvick became the first driver barred from a Winston Cup race for rough driving when NASCAR ordered him out of Sunday's Virginia 500.

The penalty, which grew from Harvick's on-track clash with Coy Gibbs during Saturday's truck race at Martinsville Speedway, do not affect Harvick's car, the Richard Childress-owned No. 29 Chevrolet. Childress flew Kenny Wallace in from Nashville to drive the car in the 500-lap event.

Harvick, on probation through Aug. 28 because of a skirmish with Greg Biffle during and after a Busch race at Bristol in March, will only be forced to sit out Sunday's race, NASCAR said in a statement Sunday.
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