Rate The Coke 600: Charlotte

8.5 Thought it to be a good race for a 600 miler. Loved how some like Mcmuary were letting it all hang out against the wall. Reminded me of when a Petty used to bump up against the wall coming out of the 4th turn. I've followed NASCAR for many years and even been to the 600 when Petty had the whole field lapped and I have to say this is one of the better 600s. I really don't know what some expect from racing, If you expect every race to be a 10 car pileup at the end because everyone was going for the win you are going to be disappointed 99.9% of the time.
 
StandOnIt said:
I thought that the stick um was called a gimmick. I remember that was an unwelcome addition when it was first used. Definitely WASN'T natural or organic, looked disdainfully in the same category as stage racing, and the playoffs. Funny how nobody who were in the negative forefront change their tune and start singing a different song without any mention of their spots changing.
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If my choices are limited to the goop or the ASR package, goop.
 
StandOnIt said:
you can't make this stuff up.I can see it now, is Kyle Busch bad for the sport?
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No worse for the sport than Jeff Gordon was when he knocked out a bunch of wins. He was at least as disliked as KDB at the time.

I wonder how much a Harvick win affects Gluck's poll. He's more dominant than Shrub this year although his anti-fans aren't as numerous.
 
I posted this up a few threads somewhere. I don't think driver or car brand makes a difference compared to the exciting factor. Kyle won in one of the highest rated races, Bristol, Dillion won a thriller at Daytona, and Harvick won another thriller In the All Star. All highest rated races, all different drivers and all with different cars. What I do think hurt the ratings for the 600 more than anything else was having the race after the All Star race.
 
Last year in Gluck's pole the 2017 All Star race was 18% yes and 82% no a real stinker. The 2017 600 that followed was 55% yes and 45% no. It would be hard to have a worse 600 after watching the All Star race the week before.
 
I don't put an ounce of credence in Glucks poll. He should read this thread and base his findings on what's thought here. Most of the comments I've read on here have been fairly positive. Plus you have to be on Twitter to participate in his poll. No thanks. The folks that love stock car racing saw a pretty good race Sunday. If someone didn't like that, what possibly can NASCAR do to make them happy? I remember well being at the Spring race at Atlanta in 1988. Earnhardt put a beat down on the field. Stands were packed, a lot of those folks despised Earnhardt, same as Kyle today. Love the winner or hate him, it's hard to say the race was bad. Can't blame the race because one team rose above the rest. JGR had them covered, still a lot of good racing throughout the field.Some folks ain't gonna be happy. I don't worry too much about those types.
 
mack said:
I don't put an ounce of credence in Glucks poll. He should read this thread and base his findings on what's thought here. Most of the comments I've read on here have been fairly positive. Plus you have to be on Twitter to participate in his poll. No thanks. The folks that love stock car racing saw a pretty good race Sunday. If someone didn't like that, what possibly can NASCAR do to make them happy? I remember well being at the Spring race at Atlanta in 1988. Earnhardt put a beat down on the field. Stands were packed, a lot of those folks despised Earnhardt, same as Kyle today. Love the winner or hate him, it's hard to say the race was bad. Can't blame the race because one team rose above the rest. JGR had them covered, still a lot of good racing throughout the field.Some folks ain't gonna be happy. I don't worry too much about those types.
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Sample size.

A few dozen forum regulars here < several thousand regular voters on Twitter

This place exists in a bubble. Similar to how many here don't like Daytona and Talladega yet on Twitter/reddit/whatever everyone loves it and the ratings are the biggest the series gets.
 
8,865 votes for Gluck's 2018, 600 race pole, that is the highest number of participants in three years of poling. Yes 38%, no 62%

7,975 votes in the All Star pole, yes 84%, no 16%

I said it before, ToyYoda's pole is more detailed than a yes and no, but most of the time the results are pretty close except the controversial All Star. With Gluck's thread the large majority liked the race compared to the 600. Around here I think the dislike for the All Star drove the ratings up for the 600 with or without a half a page expounding the virtues of the 600 over the All Star. :D But I bet ya Nascar is a looking at a much larger pool of information than both of these, and just a hunch, I bet it shows enthusiasm for the All Star package.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Sample size.

A few dozen forum regulars here < several thousand regular voters on Twitter

This place exists in a bubble. Similar to how many here don't like Daytona and Talladega yet on Twitter/reddit/whatever everyone loves it and the ratings are the biggest the series gets.
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Great point, maybe we're just smarter here?
 
If many fans prefer the racing with the ASR package, I can't convince them otherwise and that is their prerogative. If people believe adopting it is going to bring the masses back because the perceived 'quality' of the racing is what drives those numbers, they're just chasing fool's gold.

Make your own decision as to what kind of racing you like to watch, and I have no beef. NASCAR and TV networks as businesses have other concerns, and I think the recent track record suggests they don't know how to turn it around either.
 
If a group of invested people were having the kind of season they were having, and they saw the fans standing and screaming, saw the data numbers about the enthusiasm during and after the race and it continues to this day, it is no wonder they had looks on their faces like they struck gold after the race.
 
There was much enthusiasm and hope expressed by many of the same figures in 2015 and 2016 when the low downforce package won out. It's interesting to read the reporting from back then. NASCAR executives favored high downforce even then, but the drivers were adamant that low downforce would put on better racing. The two low downforce test races were much more popular then the two high downforce tests.

Now it's a convenient scapegoat to blame supposed fan unrest when the real issue is growing disinterest. No rational analysis of TV numbers suggests that the effects of the aero package convince people who have decided NASCAR isn't cool that it is again. Successful marketing of the right star drivers might, but then there is the problem that the best drivers aren't necessarily the most appealing.
 
uh huh :booya:
8,865 votes for Gluck's 2018, 600 race pole, that is the highest number of participants in three years of poling. Yes 38%, no 62%

7,975 votes in the All Star pole, yes 84%, no 16%
 
StandOnIt said:
uh huh :booya:
8,865 votes for Gluck's 2018, 600 race pole, that is the highest number of participants in three years of poling. Yes 38%, no 62%

7,975 votes in the All Star pole, yes 84%, no 16%
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Go back and read reactions to the two low downforce test races at Kentucky and Darlington in 2015 to the two high downforce experiments at...um...Michigan and Indy, if you don't remember. There is a reason the former won at the time. It didn't improve TV ratings or apparently fan satisfaction long term, and neither will this.
 
gnomesayin said:
There was much enthusiasm and hope expressed by many of the same figures in 2015 and 2016 when the low downforce package won out. It's interesting to read the reporting from back then. NASCAR executives favored high downforce even then, but the drivers were adamant that low downforce would put on better racing. I agree, and it has. Now it's a convenient scapegoat to blame supposed fan unrest when the real issue is growing disinterest. No rational analysis of TV numbers suggests that the effects of the aero package convince people who have decided NASCAR isn't cool that it is again. Successful marketing of the right star drivers might, but then there is the problem that the best drivers aren't necessarily the most appealing.
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you guys who are opposed to the experiment, your best bet for saving racing mankind from this latest scourge will be hoping the next two Xfinity races in a row are stinkers. there will be more concrete information (data) for Nascar to look at.

p.s. I think they really like that 48 green flag passes for the lead stat.
 
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