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-10 Nascar needs to pull its head out of its 4th point of contact if you know what I mean. I had more fun sitting in rush hour traffic..
 
More boring than figure skating, topped off by some brat showing the world what he and his team are and have always been made of. -500.
 
I stopped watching with 10 to go. It was getting so pitifull with the cautions and the time to correct the lineup. The caution for the tirerub seemed a little iffy. Thought the using of the electronics would solve the issues, but evidently not. If Nascar can't get its act together they will have to go to using the last full lap ran. Evidently the fans aren't acting like adults either from what I have read. Can't blame them for being upset, but throwing stuff on the track is childish. Send mail or email to Nascar, Nextel and the sponsors in a flood and people will probably see a change faster.
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Jun 13 2004, 09:44 PM
More boring than figure skating, topped off by some brat showing the world what he and his team are and have always been made of.  -500.
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Oh by the way I rate it about a 5.
 
I give it a 5, but most people will give the race a 8-10 like always god forbid nascar do something wrong.

Cautions way to long, not to mention the pit situation with jimmy. I thought changes had been made since last week...
 
To many cautions for nothing, Tony slid sidewanys and then strighten up and went on cost 5 laps of caution. Uncall for. :angry:
 
The first half of the race was okay. The second were too many cautions.

Give it a 2.
 
Myself and several of my friends and family have decided NASCAR is becomming to much WWF. Every caution in the end was to ensure Jimmy had enough fuel to finish. I like Jimmy fine but let him win on ability and talent of the driver, crew and car, not nonsense cautions. If we only had an alternative series with adequate coverage, preferably with essentially Stock cars, NASCAR has lost sight of the fans and become too self impoprtant. Fans are behaving poorly because NASCAR refuses to listen to them and stop the nonsense. Nothing wrong with old points system, racing to the caution was fine for 50 years. Helton and company have too much control of the outcome as it is now. My two cents worth anyway.
 
The race gets a 3 :unsure:

Fans throwing things on the track .....-1000 :angry: :(

Steel cage match between Kevin and Matt...... 200 :eek:
 
Well once again it is THE WWF NASCAR CHALLENGE, what a mess! Nascar should of frozen the field after the mele between the 17 and the 29. Started the race again with 5 to go , not allowed anyone to pit and let the race be settled under green. They are supposed to revert back to the previous lap under caution are they not? So why didn't they? Instead they let the cars circle under caution for the last 5 laps...what BS :bslfag: This is really getting rediculous, Dover last week, now this BS today. As for the 29 and 17 they should be both docked 50 points and suspended for 1 race for what they did . They totally determined the outcome of the race by the result of their immature actions. I've seen more class and sportsmanship on the local saturday night tracks!
 
I've never been real big on Pocono anyway. But I'll say a 5 cause I didn't get a chance to see much of the race on tv but heard alot of it on the radio.
 
I liked this race better than last week. But NASCAR sure blew it during the last half!!!!
Calling a caution foir a tire rub????? Stupidity!!!!! And it ain't Jimmie getting all the benefit of
those "timely" cautions. Just look a wee bit deeper.
Had to rate the race an 8 overall, but that last few laps get a -3.
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totally agree about the suspensions too, throw one or two of those out and see what happens, i don't expect the drivers to have tea parties, but i'm pretty sure if by some bizarre circumstance that one of those two got injured while spinning each other out, there would have been some lawsuits.
 
Giving credit where credit is due. NASCAR, thank you for accepting responsibility for the screwups. It shows changes are being made and the organization is serious about getting it right.

On to a more serious matter. NASCAR !!! What is wrong with these people ??? They have electronic scoring devices placed in eight to twelve locations around the track to record positions, and they still tried to rely on hand scoring.

Didn't take but a week to change that scenario and now they find the need to re-instruct the pit road flagman and the pace car driver. Is there something wrong here ??

Waving the yellow for a tire rub or a spinning car that hit nothing ??? Twenty-five percent of any race being run under caution is unacceptable.

NASCAR, for all the motions, high profile contracts with television, sponsors and other visible endeavors, has reduced the actual race operation to something below bush league status.
There are Saturday night bullrings running races with more professionalism than the entertainment extravaganzas put on by NASCAR in recent weeks.

What's an old man to do. I've endured the days of Beauchamp, Turner, Scott, Roberts, Zervakis and Pardue, technical difficulties, changes, tirades, rough drivnig, unequitable calls, manufacturer departures and return, deaths, births, and retirements, along with tragic accidents and realignment of schedules. But the crap of past weeks is more screwed up than a Chinese fire drill.

Come on NASCAR!!! Get your head out of your azz !!!!! This in unacceptable and the series will survive due to the shear size and non-competition. But not for long if these weekly fiascos continue.
NASCAR, you are frustrating me and many others. GET WITH THE PROGRAM. This is not the first time you have run a show. We know you can do better.

Rate the race. Give it a four.
 
Same old crap, different weekend. More than 25% of the race was run under caution includeing the last 5 laps. Fans throwing stuff in protest. I usually enjoy Pocono, but NASCAR should offer refunds to the fans that paid to see this crap. Imagine, some of those fans paid 2,3 or $400 to see that race. I might have thrown somthing to. I rate the race a three.


I went to a 1/5 mile paved oval Sat night. I saw close racing and some hard wrecks. I saw some people get hit hard during the fig 8 feature but I didn't see anyone spin anyone else out intentionally on the track. The track does not permit it. It also does not tolerate the bump and run pass, yet there is plenty of side by side racing and passing. Everone went home happy and nobody paid more than $8 to get in.

By the way, all the races finished under green.
 
Thought the yellow for a tire rub was silly, myself. However, last week, Mears' oil smoke looked like a tire rub at first. So they erred on the side of caution.

NASCAR is damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
 
Well, I didn't rate it yet, but after seeing the race AGAIN on tape, I'll give it a 7, -1000 for idiocy by some, -1000 for jerks in the stands, and the whoe thain was PRICELESS!!!
 
Originally posted by TexasRaceLady@Jun 14 2004, 12:45 PM
Thought the yellow for a tire rub was silly, myself. However, last week, Mears' oil smoke looked like a tire rub at first. So they erred on the side of caution.

NASCAR is damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
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I didn't see the race so I can't rate it. But, what TRL just said is something y'all should really think about........especially after the bashing NASCAR recieved last week about Mears.
 
Well............ the difference being that the camaras were on Jamie McMurry as he passed then hit PJ in the front fender and the smoke started pouring out. It was VERY clear what it was. How about the cautions for a 1 car spinout that the driver recovered and kept going, but they still took 5 laps with no one pitting. Bottom line is there were still more laps run under caution this week than last and the first 2/3 of the race was almost caution free. That's 135 of the 500 miles under caution mostly in the later part of the race.
 
And as much as I hate to bring this up, it all stems from the rule put in place last season about not racing back to the caution. I happen to think the rule is good from a safety stand point..........but as far as scoring it presents a nightmare for fans, drivers and mostly for the ones responsible for scoring. NASCAR resisted the rule for many many years but relented when DJ was sitting dead in the water and everyone running was acting like idiots. There are problems..........and those problems are rearing their ugly head this season. It's going to be tough to get all the bugs out of the new rule and I believe NASCAR related to all us fans last year when they announced the new rule. I don't like it the way it is, but I'm also fairly confident that it will be solved. I seriously don't like the idea of freezing the field and reverting back to the last green flag lap. The last green flag lap is very often what caused the caution in the first place. Just an example of the first scenario that comes to my mind:

There's a heated race for position (the type of incident that usually causes a caution) and someone gets into the wall. Five cars get damaged in the mêlée. The car that was leading the lap before the caution was fading and actually was what perpetuated the crash (his set up has gone sour or his tires wore out....almost anything). Now the field is frozen.........he is leading because the lap before he was in 1st. He pits and comes out 1st. Is it fair to give him that free position gift? I don't think so.

And for all those comments about the electronics. You must be talking about the multiple timing transponders that NASCAR is putting in place to help in the timing and scoring. That is still in the testing phase............and not every track has them. Y'all seem to think that just because they are testing them, they should be relying on them. Sorry, but something that is not proved to be reasonably reliable or accurate can not be used..........or, at least, it should not be used.

Like I said earlier, I was unable to watch the race but I'm hearing the same stuff as I've been hearing for a couple years. "NASCAR screwed up. Now let's hang 'em"! It's a rule we all wanted. It's a rule NASCAR resisted for the very reasons we see now. Somewhere, common sense says a little slack is in order.
 
Hmmmmm, I think that was my point, a little common sense should be used. :)

But that's why I work alone, I'm to demanding, I require people to think.

:cheers:
 
Anyone else think NASCAR gifted in some caution laps, (ensuring the 48 car had enough gas to finish) to make up for the earlier pit road mishap?
Sorry, I'm not a conspiracy guy, I should know better shouldn't I?

Typical Pocono racing though, could be so much better. :unsure:
 
I didn't even see the damned race and I can tell you NASCAR did not ensure Jimmie had enough gas to finish and win!! :D

I also want to note that Jimmie and Jimmy are two different people.............one drives a car with the 48 on the side and one drives a car with the 4 on the side!! Jimmy did okay for an unsponsored car..............Jimmie won!! :) And also........Pocono is one of my favorite tracks!! Way ahead of either of the road courses and slightly behind Bristol, Michigan, California, Daytona, Talladega, and Texas......way, far behind, Richmond!! :D :D
 
I had to work, of course, so I figured I'd be smart and tape it so I could watch it. Turns out, this was a very good move on my part. I think I fastforwarded through about half of it cuz it was all commercials and cautions. I give it about a 3.7. Even though I'm pretty new to this sport, I am pretty sure that the point of the race is not to see how many laps they can run under caution and see how many times they can screw over as many different people as possible. From the beginning of the season to now, NASCAR has gone downhill.
 
So we can assume you were not one of the many of us who were screaming for the rule change to stop racing back to the yellow flag on cautions!! That is the primary reason so many caution laps have been run this year. That and the apparent over zealous throwing of the caution "just to be safe". Last week, NASCAR, wasn't so quick...........they got blasted. This week they were quick and they got blasted. :D Seems there's no pleasing us, huh? Hey, I'm pleased..........I see "growing pains" with the new rule but it's progressing............hang in there hurrikahne!! :D

BTW.........Welcome to the boards. :cheers:
 
What about doing it like sprint car racing.... yellow comes out and you go to the lineup of the last completed lap. Every race, no matter what finishes under a green/white/checkered... come folks it is not rocket science... it's racing.
 
NASCAR is applauded for the change in racing back to the caution as a great safety measure.

The fiascos seen within the past several weeks and called racing are inexcusable. Electronic scoring has been in place since the first of the year and NASCAR still relied on hand scoring. There were fourteen transponders at Pocono. Things should be getting better instead of worse. No excuse for these delays in this age of computers.

Caution flags are another thing wherein NASCAR is wise to call a caution but when a car spins, hits nothing and then runs five laps under caution, there is no excuse. When a car has a tire rub at the end of a race and the field is realigned and restarted within three laps, why the differential in time ????

This is not NASCAR bashing. It is called telling NASCAR to get with the program. It is called asking them to do the job right. It requires getting the pit road flag man and the pace car driver working together. It requires getting the entire use of portable transponders in place and scoring with no screw ups.

NASCAR has the responsiblity of putting on a race with few, if any mistakes. Lately, they have fallen down on the job.

It is fine to be tolerant of their errors, but the fact remains, the last three exhibitions have been frustrating and it is 100% the responsibility of NASCAR to get and keep things squared away with no excuses.
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Jun 14 2004, 11:03 PM
So we can assume you were not one of the many of us who were screaming for the rule change to stop racing back to the yellow flag on cautions!! That is the primary reason so many caution laps have been run this year. That and the apparent over zealous throwing of the caution "just to be safe". Last week, NASCAR, wasn't so quick...........they got blasted. This week they were quick and they got blasted. :D Seems there's no pleasing us, huh? Hey, I'm pleased..........I see "growing pains" with the new rule but it's progressing............hang in there hurrikahne!! :D

BTW.........Welcome to the boards. :cheers:
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Thanks for the welcome :D From what I gather about the racing back to the caution flag rule, I think it makes more sense than the freeze the field rule. All these long cautions are just really :angry: .
 
Originally posted by hurrikahne9@Jun 15 2004, 11:15 AM


BTW.........Welcome to the boards. :cheers:
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Thanks for the welcome :D From what I gather about the racing back to the caution flag rule, I think it makes more sense than the freeze the field rule. All these long cautions are just really :angry: . [/quote]
Welcome to the boards and I love your screen name.

Racing back to the caution is dangerous, although nobody ever got hurt doing it.

I believe wop is right. Sometimes the simple answer is the best. It may not be perfect but it is conclussive.


My beef is not the caution for the tire rub, It is the amount of time it takes to get to racing again. I know you can not have it both ways.

I still do not think Mears blown rear seal looked like a tire rub just because DW said it did.
 
I think on the last lap, and someone spins just let them go. Cause if im about to make a pass with a lap to go and the yellow comes out im going to be POed big time.
 
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