Regional teams. Could that be what NASCAR needs?

StandOnIt said:
You were saying what I posted was nonsense. Thinking that Hendrick, Penske, and Haas were going to bail "when pigs fly" Nonsense to nonsense I guess.
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I never said they were going to bail. You said sponsors weren't interested in Denver. And that they were only interested in the East Coast. That's nonsense. Factually.

HMS, SHR, Penske etc - those teams haven't been fully sponsor funded in....ever. The only reason they all have the number of cars on the track that they do is because those guys all self fund it. They're ALL self sponsored in many ways...just like Barney used to be. My point is that IF Rick, Roger and Gene decided they didn't want to put another dime of their own money into their operation, they'd lose half their cars. That's not nonsense, that's also a fact.
 
You have your opinion and you are welcome to it. Visser until recently was self sponsored ..fact. now he has some from Bass Pro. I believe he has said he can't find a sponsor for the 77? That isn't flocking to Colorado IMO.
 
StandOnIt said:
You have your opinion and you are welcome to it. Visser until recently was self sponsored ..fact. now he has some from Bass Pro. I believe he has said he can't find a sponsor for the 77? That isn't flocking to Colorado IMO.
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Sponsors aren't flocking anywhere. The difference between Barney and Rick/Gene/Roger is that Barney would rather pull a car off the track than pay for it himself (like those three do for half their inventory).
 
I don't think having regional teams will move the needle that much. NASCAR has deeper problems than this.
 
Ryan Preece is popular because he's run Modifieds up north for years and years and is popular up there, and that fanbase supports him.

There isn't a lot of this anymore. No home track heroes moving up. Some guys run tours like CARS Tour or USAC but even then, many only run those for a year and then are in K&N or whatever.

If Lee Pulliam moved up, he'd bring his Virginia fanbase with him. Same with someone from Langley Speedway, like, say, Matt Waltz.

This is the problem with the model this sport's transitioned to where rich kids can buy rides. Nobody really knows or cares who they are.
 
StandOnIt said:
Probably should hide and watch with Byron. Long term sponsorship will be announced later they say.
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I'm willing to guess that you think "long term sponsorship" equals "enough money to pay for the car those weekends." You know the 48 car operates in the red, right? Don't let 38 paint schemes fool you into thinking that means 38 weekends the car is fully funded...
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Ryan Preece is popular because he's run Modifieds up north for years and years and is popular up there, and that fanbase supports him.

There isn't a lot of this anymore. No home track heroes moving up. Some guys run tours like CARS Tour or USAC but even then, many only run those for a year and then are in K&N or whatever.

If Lee Pulliam moved up, he'd bring his Virginia fanbase with him. Same with someone from Langley Speedway, like, say, Matt Waltz.

This is the problem with the model this sport's transitioned to where rich kids can buy rides. Nobody really knows or cares who they are.
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I think that model has changed a bit. I believe the Nascar has outgrown that model, Years ago "the Alabama gang" was an oddity because almost all the drivers were from the east coast. I believe a sizable number are from California now. quite a few from out that way weren't rich kids. Buescher from Texas and Christopher Bell from Oklahoma weren't rolling in it either.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think that model has changed a bit. I believe the Nascar has outgrown that model, Years ago "the Alabama gang" was an oddity because almost all the drivers were from the east coast. I believe a sizable number are from California now. quite a few from out that way weren't rich kids. Buescher from Texas and Christopher Bell from Oklahoma weren't rolling in it either.
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Buescher and Bell fit the "tour" mold though. Buescher made his name running ARCA and Bell made his name in USAC and CARS Tour. It's hard to really build up a fanbase when you only run short tracks for a year and then move right into NASCAR.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Buescher and Bell fit the "tour" mold though. Buescher made his name running ARCA and Bell made his name in USAC and CARS Tour. It's hard to really build up a fanbase when you only run short tracks for a year and then move right into NASCAR.
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When you want to make it you go East for the most part, both Bell and Buescher ran way more races around here than they did in those series, Bell ran only a handful of races back east, Buescher got in with Ford development after winning over a 100 races driving a legend car in Texas..Goes way back to Gordon moving East, Harvick sleeping on Hornaday's couch.
 
StandOnIt said:
When you want to make it you go East for the most part, both Bell and Buescher ran way more races around here than they did in those series, Bell ran only a handful of races back east, Buescher got in with Ford development after winning over a 100 races driving a legend car in Texas..Goes way back to Gordon moving East, Harvick sleeping on Hornaday's couch.
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This model's changing thanks to things like Bob Dillner's website, Speed51 and NASCAR Home Tracks pushing the Modified Tour heavily.

And Harvick made name as the Bakersfield Basher out west, ran a lot in the NASCAR Winter Heat Series and in K&N West.

Super Late Model racing is stronger in the Northeast and the Midwest than anywhere right now. And the Late Model Stock Car discipline, which is the NASCAR Late Models that are run in the Carolinas and Virginia, is having possibly its worst year ever.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I think the whole point of his quotes are being completely misunderstood. It was from a fans perspective of having a reason to root for teams. Generating interest in the sport. He's talking about a different way of looking at the sport.
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So is he saying that all the teams can remain where they are physically but just be randomly assigned home territories where people are supposed to think of them as the home team? If so it is just as daft.

Fix the product to the point that young people are interested in seeing said product and forget all the other bull**** like this.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
So is he saying that all the teams can remain where they are physically but just be randomly assigned home territories where people are supposed to think of them as the home team? If so it is just as daft.

Fix the product to the point that young people are interested in seeing said product and forget all the other bull**** like this.
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I think Barney is talking about what he has in Denver. Martin was "Sportsman of the Year" there last year. My freakin' sister-in-law from Denver who only babbles about Elway when she talks sports knows of FRR because FR is a giant there. FRR is Denver's NASCAR Team. Thinking Barney would like to see the Pacific Northwest have a team to connect with, etc.--become part of the community. I guess the travel isn't as big of a deal as the media would like us to believe.
 
Revman said:
I think Barney is talking about what he has in Denver. Martin was "Sportsman of the Year" there last year. My freakin' sister-in-law from Denver who only babbles about Elway when she talks sports knows of FRR because FR is a giant there. FRR is Denver's NASCAR Team. Thinking Barney would like to see the Pacific Northwest have a team to connect with, etc.--become part of the community. I guess the travel isn't as big of a deal as the media would like us to believe.
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I know they sure don't want a Nascar track up there. That sounded like an expensive lawyer fest a few years back.
 
Revman said:
I think Barney is talking about what he has in Denver. Martin was "Sportsman of the Year" there last year. My freakin' sister-in-law from Denver who only babbles about Elway when she talks sports knows of FRR because FR is a giant there. FRR is Denver's NASCAR Team. Thinking Barney would like to see the Pacific Northwest have a team to connect with, etc.--become part of the community. I guess the travel isn't as big of a deal as the media would like us to believe.
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Cities need to start offering Nascar teams tax abatement's and other inducements to move.
 
Revman said:
I think Barney is talking about what he has in Denver. Martin was "Sportsman of the Year" there last year. My freakin' sister-in-law from Denver who only babbles about Elway when she talks sports knows of FRR because FR is a giant there. FRR is Denver's NASCAR Team. Thinking Barney would like to see the Pacific Northwest have a team to connect with, etc.--become part of the community. I guess the travel isn't as big of a deal as the media would like us to believe.
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much better than my sis. Predicts the end of cars, electric self driving, I told her tell that to the trucks that have delivered everything you have in your damn house.:D
 
Not to jump into a disagreement that isn't mine, but...
I liked Allenbaba's posts too and agree with the interview, but I also don't think it should be forced on the teams. Having the teams located in Charlotte but represent Chicago is stupid. This is something that needs to happen organically, but NASCAR can help that along by providing incentives for teams to branch out, i.e. unlimited practice time at the local track, or extra funding from each race, etc. I don't know which incentives would work, but teams would definitely need an incentive to move.

I'm somewhat surprised that Coors hasn't jumped on the FRR bandwagon to try to be more of a "local" sponsor but on a national scale. At the same time, I'm not surprised because I think sponsors are staying away until the bottom hits NASCAR and prices for sponsorship are "right-sized".
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
So is he saying that all the teams can remain where they are physically but just be randomly assigned home territories where people are supposed to think of them as the home team? If so it is just as daft.

Fix the product to the point that young people are interested in seeing said product and forget all the other bull**** like this.
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This is the bottomline for all of these discussions with new ideas. Fix the cars/on-track product and we don't need to talk about new ideas to attract more fans, the fans will come back on their own.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
So is he saying that all the teams can remain where they are physically but just be randomly assigned home territories where people are supposed to think of them as the home team? If so it is just as daft.
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This is an amazing thread. It seems that people who (a) didn't listen to the audio clip in this thread, and (b) didn't read Allenbaba's explanation... still proceed to call Barney Visser a nut job over ideas he never mentioned or proposed. LOL.
 
LewTheShoe said:
This is an amazing thread. It seems that people who (a) didn't listen to the audio clip in this thread, and (b) didn't read Allenbaba's explanation... still proceed to call Barney Visser a nut job over ideas he never mentioned or proposed. LOL.
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Barney has wonderful pipe dreams.
 
Allenbaba said:
I'm willing to guess that you think "long term sponsorship" equals "enough money to pay for the car those weekends." You know the 48 car operates in the red, right? Don't let 38 paint schemes fool you into thinking that means 38 weekends the car is fully funded...
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It's somewhat jarring to see that about the 48, but it lends credence to a comment published last month by David Smith (Motorsport Analytics) that Lowe's reduced their spend in the new contract from $30 million to $20 million (for 38 races). With Lowe's suffering financial difficulties, their need to cut back is understandable.

I wasn't aware of Penske doing any significant self sponsoring. Can you share anything about that? They have said 2018 sponsors are not yet ready to announce, so gaps on the new 12 car would not be surprising.
 
Nascar is like country music, at some times it's more popular than others. It had its heyday with Kenny Rogers and company, still popular but not mainstream anymore.
 
The millionaire / billionaire car owners of NASCAR are not using personal tax-paid dollars to run their race teams.
 
JDL said:
Nascar is like country music, at some times it's more popular than others. It had its heyday with Kenny Rogers and company, still popular but not mainstream anymore.
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Country music is very mainstream now. Flip through radio stations on your FM dial and you'll see. It's the most popular genre right now, and dominates airwaves.

Which shows America has incredibly ****** taste in music. The traditional "top 40"/"pop" music and rock music coming out today is pretty good, but people hate it and would rather listen to country.
 
This is nonsense in my opinion, the cars and the racing need to be fixed, where the team is located means nothing to me. This was never really an issue, yeh it's cool and all that the 78 is in Colorado and I remember how they got their start when I was living out there, but there are a lot more pressing issues in the sport that need fixing rather than team location.
 
The Hooters Pro Cup Series used to have a North and South and then, at the end of the season, they'd run a Championship Series. Ironically, this is where the Chase came from originally before NHRA's Countdown was imported whole.

It would be fun to see regions in the Xfinity Series, teams assigned to certain regions and then have a true playoff format at the end of the season.
 
I really like the idea of regional teams over point system after point systems, stages, and limiting drivers to how many races they can run in a series.

Won't ever happen given the state of things but I think it would boost fan interest.
 
LewTheShoe said:
It's somewhat jarring to see that about the 48, but it lends credence to a comment published last month by David Smith (Motorsport Analytics) that Lowe's reduced their spend in the new contract from $30 million to $20 million (for 38 races). With Lowe's suffering financial difficulties, their need to cut back is understandable.

I wasn't aware of Penske doing any significant self sponsoring. Can you share anything about that? They have said 2018 sponsors are not yet ready to announce, so gaps on the new 12 car would not be surprising.
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IMO it isn't jarring or even "somewhat jarring" that Lowe's cut way back in their Nascar spending including letting the naming rights for CMS expire as they have had difficulties in recent years. When you look at those things coupled with the overall downturn in Nascar's fortunes plus the dearth in sponsorship dollars in the past couple of years it actually makes perfect sense.
 
Allenbaba said:
Did anyone in this thread actually listen to the interview? ...
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LewTheShoe said:
This is an amazing thread. It seems that people who (a) didn't listen to the audio clip in this thread, and (b) didn't read Allenbaba's explanation... still proceed to call Barney Visser a nut job over ideas he never mentioned or proposed. LOL.
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What interview? This opened with at couple of Twitter posts.
 
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