Road course race at IMS?

ToyYoda said:
They can't put plates on the cars at Indy. Kyle Busch has won the last two Indy races, and if they put plates on the cars, it will cease to be a real track.
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Normally I'd agree with you, but Indy ceased to be a 'real track' for NASCAR quite a while back.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Normally I'd agree with you, but Indy ceased to be a 'real track' for NASCAR quite a while back.
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I think Indy is a good track for NASCAR strictly if you're looking at it from a talent/skill perspective. It's a tough track to drive. That doesn't put on a show, though.

The garage still considers the Brickyard 400 to be a crown jewel event, but the fans hate it. Tough predicament for NASCAR and IMS.
 
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Grabba buncha cones ‘n head ta EWR. Some temporary bleachers, a few-way-cool-awesome-bands ‘n real NJ BBQ.

It’ll out draw IMS....
 
Charlie Spencer said:
'BOUT FRICKIN' TIME!!!

That would also eliminate that 'restrictor plate' cud-chewing that was going on earlier this spring.
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they have plates on the Xfinities this year right? Hell I am all for them to try any crazy idea. The track won't widen the corners, so try something with the cars..can it get any more boring that it is? They don't have turbo boost on the game controller or the push to pass thingy that seldom works anyway.
 
AuzGrams said:
I think it's really pointless to race at the Brickyard road course. If they're leaving the oval they might as well leave.
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Indy likes racing. Loves racing. If NASCAR leaves Indy entirely, and let's not pretend they'll take Cup to IRP, I can only imagine how much of a blow that would be to a fan base that's already declining in volume.

Interesting nugget - the only two TV markets with a better rating than Indy for the championship at Homestead last year were Greenville and Greensboro. NASCAR can not neglect a market that is that important for them and the networks, IMO.
 
StandOnIt said:
they have plates on the Xfinities this year right? Hell I am all for them to try any crazy idea. The track won't widen the corners, so try something with the cars..can it get any more boring that it is? They don't have turbo boost on the game controller or the push to pass thingy that seldom works anyway.
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Push to pass probably doesn't work on ovals because it doesn't exist. lol
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Fanatics is apparently capable of making a business decision without letting its pride get in the way. We can't say the same about NASCAR.
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It sounds like they were being pragmatic and as I said earlier it never made sense to me that you would have the same size facility operating at Daytona and Richmond.
 
The road course is OK for IndyCars and am actually OK with that event for their schedule for some reason.

FLRacingFan said:
Indy likes racing. Loves racing. If NASCAR leaves Indy entirely, and let's not pretend they'll take Cup to IRP, I can only imagine how much of a blow that would be to a fan base that's already declining in volume.

Interesting nugget - the only two TV markets with a better rating than Indy for the championship at Homestead last year were Greenville and Greensboro. NASCAR can not neglect a market that is that important for them and the networks, IMO.
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I understand the logicistics why they're still at IMS. I just wish IRP/Lucas Oil Raceway now I guess would make the proper upgrades and seating adjustments. Fans would get behind a short track.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Indy likes racing. Loves racing. If NASCAR leaves Indy entirely, and let's not pretend they'll take Cup to IRP, I can only imagine how much of a blow that would be to a fan base that's already declining in volume.

Interesting nugget - the only two TV markets with a better rating than Indy for the championship at Homestead last year were Greenville and Greensboro. NASCAR can not neglect a market that is that important for them and the networks, IMO.
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By that theory, there should be tracks in Greenville and Greensboro.
 
AuzGrams said:
I think it's really pointless to race at the Brickyard road course. If they're leaving the oval they might as well leave.
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In the state of Indiana the month of May was like one big party until the split but there is so much tradition and so many families have attended it for generations it still draws reasonably well. It is hard to believe that the Brickyard 400 used to be so big in terms of attention and fans but it has really gone downhill in the last 5 years. I love the track from a historic perspective and it is well worth a visit from even non race fans but everyone knows it is not suited to the cars Nascar uses.

What would be best is if both Nascar and IMS could come up with some spin that made Nascar leaving look like a win and then move on.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
In the state of Indiana the month of May was like one big party until the split but there is so much tradition and so many families have attended it for generations it still draws reasonably well. It is hard to believe that the Brickyard 400 used to be so big in terms of attention and fans but it has really gone downhill in the last 5 years. I love the track from a historic perspective and it is well worth a visit from even non race fans but everyone knows it is not suited to the cars Nascar uses.

What would be best is if both Nascar and IMS could come up with some spin that made Nascar leaving look like a win and then move on.
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The 500 draws people because it's a one of those big freakin' spectacles that people will attend even if they know nothing about the sport; see also the Kentucky Derby or the Masters.

The 400 has two problems. It's not longer considered a spectacle event, so the 'have an experience' crowd doesn't go there any more. The NASCAR fans have cut back because they've found out there are better tracks with better racing and better sight lines to spend their entertainment dollars at.
 
AuzGrams said:
The road course is OK for IndyCars and am actually OK with that event for their schedule for some reason.



I understand the logicistics why they're still at IMS. I just wish IRP/Lucas Oil Raceway now I guess would make the proper upgrades and seating adjustments. Fans would get behind a short track.
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If memory serves IRP holds about 30K and IDK what other changes would be necessary to hold a cup race. I would be OK with installing temporary seats and other things that could be removed so as not to change the character of the joint.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
What don't you like about it? It's not like the oval puts on a good show.
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compared to the oval, yeah I get your point there. I was comparing it only as a road course. The course seems small, the turns part does anyway might be because they have a precious golf course they can't disturb, and then a long sweeper into a really long straight that doesn't produce much passing until the one passing point on the whole course which is a braking pass for the most part at the end of the straight leading into the smallish flat course turning part. Like FL was talking about COTA I think it was, I have watched quite a few races there with different style cars, and every one of them has been pretty bad.

It is pretty split, the money and Indy track fans want to see Nascar race the oval, most straight Nascar fans want to see them race somewhere else.
 
StandOnIt said:
compared to the oval, yeah I get your point there. I was comparing it only as a road course. The course seems small, the turns part does anyway might be because they have a precious golf course they can't disturb, and then a long sweeper into a really long straight that doesn't produce much passing until the one passing point on the whole course which is a braking pass for the most part at the end of the straight leading into the smallish flat course turning part. Like FL was talking about COTA I think it was, I have watched quite a few races there with different style cars, and every one of them has been pretty bad.

It is pretty split, the money and Indy track fans want to see Nascar race the oval, most straight Nascar fans want to see them race somewhere else.
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I watched the first hour of IMSA at COTA last week. At that time the top four or five cars in each class were all separated by tens of seconds each. I handed the remote to my wife.

But yeah, the primary point in favor of the IMS road course is it isn't the IMS oval. The road course is a compromise that lets NASCAR and IMS save face. But what do I know; I feel the same way about the Daytona oval and R/C.
 
we are going to get a Charlotte road course race like it or not I believe and pretty soon too. I don't see it happening at Indy..those Indytrack folks are nuts about that track. I think it is partly because it is about all Indycar has going for it and to keep that track viable no matter what. They won't change a thing because they think they might lose something, so no widening or changes coming IMO. People that don't like changes should switch over to Indycar lol.
 
StandOnIt said:
we are going to get a Charlotte road course race like it or not I believe and pretty soon too. I don't see it happening at Indy..those Indytrack folks are nuts about that track. I think it is partly because it is about all Indycar has going for it and to keep that track viable no matter what. They won't change a thing because they think they might lose something, so no widening or changes coming IMO. People that don't like changes should switch over to Indycar lol.
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IRL will at least try new tracks. They went back to the Glen. NOLA may have been unsuccessful but they gave it a shot.
 
The first few years NASCAR ran at IMS, it was a cool thing to see. Now, the luster has worn off mainly because the racing is bad. Then, NASCAR compounds that by moving the Xfinity race from IRP to IMS, worse racing and in front of about 30k fans in a place that seats 300k. A road course race there can't be any worse than what we see there now.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
By that theory, there should be tracks in Greenville and Greensboro.
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The Greensboro market encompasses parts of both Henry County (Martinsville) and Cabarrus County (Charlotte).

Greenville goes into four different states and is within very reasonable distance of Bristol, Darlington, Atlanta, and Charlotte depending on where you live.

Chicagoland, Kentucky, and Michigan aren't as concentrated and there aren't as many dates between those tracks. That, and you'd be taking away "their" race.
 
StandOnIt said:
compared to the oval, yeah I get your point there. I was comparing it only as a road course. The course seems small, the turns part does anyway might be because they have a precious golf course they can't disturb, and then a long sweeper into a really long straight that doesn't produce much passing until the one passing point on the whole course which is a braking pass for the most part at the end of the straight leading into the smallish flat course turning part. Like FL was talking about COTA I think it was, I have watched quite a few races there with different style cars, and every one of them has been pretty bad.

It is pretty split, the money and Indy track fans want to see Nascar race the oval, most straight Nascar fans want to see them race somewhere else.
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+1 on COTA. Not a fan.

I do think you'd see more passing on the IMS road course than on the oval, and more than we'll see at the CMS road course in fall of 2018.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I watched the first hour of IMSA at COTA last week. At that time the top four or five cars in each class were all separated by tens of seconds each. I handed the remote to my wife.
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I called my grandma in NY for the first time in God knows how long.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
If memory serves IRP holds about 30K and IDK what other changes would be necessary to hold a cup race. I would be OK with installing temporary seats and other things that could be removed so as not to change the character of the joint.
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Iowa has had 25-30,000 permanent seats and increased up to 60,000 with temporary seating for their first Nationwide race in 2009. I would imagine it wouldn't be hard for IRP to do the same if they really wanted.
 
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