Roger Penske: The next major step is cost reduction in NASCAR

Mopardh9 said:
Nascar had it's 15 minutes of fame, it was the "in thing", now it isn't, the cycle of fame is on to another "big thing", that's the way things work now in the me generation. Us old school guys stick with things, but the new generation does not, they want instant gratification. I think that is where Nascar lost a lot of its fan base. The older fans are...well getting older and lets face it dying, to replace them with younger fans Nascar has resorted to the Gimmick angle, is it working...so far I'd have to say no, but give it another 3 years. If the downward spiral continues I see a smaller schedule, different tracks....short tracks, on the schedule and shorter races.
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Ah another "old school" poster.

In the Army we have the joke that everyone went to the last hard basic training. Parallels the walked uphill in the snow to school analogy.

NASCAR made some mistakes and was also hurt by the 2008 recession. Sport is adjusting and probably won't ever hit it's peak again but it will survive.

In the 60s and 70s baseball and boxing were the two biggest sports in America. Why did all the old school hardcore fans from the old generation switch? Guess baseball was too slow and they wanted instant gratification.
 
Cholo said:
Ah another "old school" poster.

In the Army we have the joke that everyone went to the last hard basic training. Parallels the walked uphill in the snow to school analogy.

NASCAR made some mistakes and was also hurt by the 2008 recession. Sport is adjusting and probably won't ever hit it's peak again but it will survive.

In the 60s and 70s baseball and boxing were the two biggest sports in America. Why did all the old school hardcore fans from the old generation switch? Guess baseball was too slow and they wanted instant gratification.
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I abandoned baseball when they went out on strike 6 times in 4 seasons. o_O The last time, the players were urging the peanut sellers and parking lot attendants to stand with them in solidarity. :rolleyes: The game has gotten slower since then, so I don't know if I'd still be with it.

Oh, and the hardest IET was definitely back in the mid-80's :D And my father says his walk to school was uphill BOTH WAYS!
 
Gramma's hand-knit wool sox, toque, mitts and scarf.
 
NJJammer said:
That would be interesting to watch for at least a race. How about at the throwback race in Darlington?

How about every team use a brand of power tools that can be purchased by average Joes? Let the manufacturer pay to be the official power tools of NASCAR. Who cares if everyone's pit stop is a few seconds slower as long as it's fair and across the whole field? My $0.02.
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heck yeah Harbor Freight. It would be half the show betting on who's impact gun worked. Make those boring pit stops exciting again.
 
Cholo said:
Ah another "old school" poster.

In the Army we have the joke that everyone went to the last hard basic training. Parallels the walked uphill in the snow to school analogy.

NASCAR made some mistakes and was also hurt by the 2008 recession. Sport is adjusting and probably won't ever hit it's peak again but it will survive.

In the 60s and 70s baseball and boxing were the two biggest sports in America. Why did all the old school hardcore fans from the old generation switch? Guess baseball was too slow and they wanted instant gratification.
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I never switched, baseball is my favorite sport, always will be. Nascar has ruined their product with all the stupid chase crap and gimmicks trying to capture new fans, when all they did was push away a lot of their core fans. You're right it will never be like it was in the early 2000s, in fact it will contract even more to the point where eventually I think you will see a 30 race schedule, no Truck series, and a smaller Xfinity schedule also. Nascar can not compete with football, to have a season run into November when you are up against the NFL, NCAA, and World Series is just plain stupid business strategy.
 
Mopardh9 said:
... Nascar can not compete with football, to have a season run into November when you are up against the NFL, NCAA, and World Series is just plain stupid business strategy.
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It's stupid IF you're actually dumb enough to think you can compete with football.

Hasn't the schedule ended in Nov. for decades, long before the 'boom' years? Ending in Nov. only became an issue when the Powers That Be thought they could wrestle the 800-lb gorilla.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
It's stupid IF you're actually dumb enough to think you can compete with football.

Hasn't the schedule ended in Nov. for decades, long before the 'boom' years? Ending in Nov. only became an issue when the Powers That Be thought they could wrestle the 800-lb gorilla.
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Sure it has, but when you start losing viewers and fans at the races then the true picture emerges. End the season in September.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
It's stupid IF you're actually dumb enough to think you can compete with football.

Hasn't the schedule ended in Nov. for decades, long before the 'boom' years? Ending in Nov. only became an issue when the Powers That Be thought they could wrestle the 800-lb gorilla.
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Nascar could get creative and do some things like hold the Daytona 500 1 week after the Super Bowl or even hold a race between the conference games and SB. The Allstar activities could be consolidated into 1 weekend and some tracks like MIS and Pocono could hold 1 cup race on Saturday and 1 on Sunday during the same weekend.

My ideas may be fatally flawed but at some point Nascar is going to have to think outside of the norm regarding race dates and schedule length.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Sure it has, but when you start losing viewers and fans at the races then the true picture emerges. End the season in September.
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I think Labor Day is a natural ending point for the Nascar season and with it being a 3 day weekend it could be one big party.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I like NASCAR and the NFL. No need to end either early. DVR's, PIP and/or multiple TV's are a solution for the simulcast events in my household. Not a minute is missed.
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Same here as Nascar could hold races at 2:00 AM from October to May and it wouldn't change the number of races I watched or or enjoyed.
 
Acs said:
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I heard that once the team owners found out Cessna was sponsoring a Kyle Busch truck this weekend they realized that they had been worrying about nothing and that there are sponsors galore waiting to fork out millions each year......:D
 
I think the main October/November killer was the Carolina panthers and falcons establishing themselves a legitimate contender. Before then it was college football on Saturday, and a yankee league on Sunday. Nashville, charlotte, Jacksonville, etc, and moving races away from southeast, has pretty much killed their base. The northeast, Midwest, and southwest, will always be an NFL stronghold. Sure they chipped away a little at it in the '90s and early 2000, but the few fans they've made in the Midwest, also tired of the constant changes a decade ago. Plus the NFL is cheaper and easier to attend around here.

Best plan is to eliminate about seven to ten races. End the season in mid September, which will allow them to eliminate the chase, since they're no longer going up against the NFL. Plus find an old track, or two, in the south east that their fans have fond memories of. Nostalgia is huge right now. Other than that, make sure new teams can always enter the sport, not just start and go 5 laps down within the first 10 laps teams.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I like NASCAR and the NFL. No need to end either early. DVR's, PIP and/or multiple TV's are a solution for the simulcast events in my household. Not a minute is missed.
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No sense in using the DVR for the last 20 laps when i could be watching an exciting football game for 3 hours.;)
 
joe h said:
I think the main October/November killer was the Carolina panthers and falcons establishing themselves a legitimate contender. Before then it was college football on Saturday, and a yankee league on Sunday. Nashville, charlotte, Jacksonville, etc, and moving races away from southeast, has pretty much killed their base. The northeast, Midwest, and southwest, will always be an NFL stronghold. Sure they chipped away a little at it in the '90s and early 2000, but the few fans they've made in the Midwest, also tired of the constant changes a decade ago. Plus the NFL is cheaper and easier to attend around here.

Best plan is to eliminate about seven to ten races. End the season in mid September, which will allow them to eliminate the chase, since they're no longer going up against the NFL. Plus find an old track, or two, in the south east that their fans have fond memories of. Nostalgia is huge right now. Other than that, make sure new teams can always enter the sport, not just start and go 5 laps down within the first 10 laps teams.
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I'm all for eliminating the Chase. Races? Not so much.
 
joe h said:
I think the main October/November killer was the Carolina panthers and falcons establishing themselves a legitimate contender. Before then it was college football on Saturday, and a yankee league on Sunday. Nashville, charlotte, Jacksonville, etc, and moving races away from southeast, has pretty much killed their base. The northeast, Midwest, and southwest, will always be an NFL stronghold. Sure they chipped away a little at it in the '90s and early 2000, but the few fans they've made in the Midwest, also tired of the constant changes a decade ago. Plus the NFL is cheaper and easier to attend around here.

Best plan is to eliminate about seven to ten races. End the season in mid September, which will allow them to eliminate the chase, since they're no longer going up against the NFL. Plus find an old track, or two, in the south east that their fans have fond memories of. Nostalgia is huge right now. Other than that, make sure new teams can always enter the sport, not just start and go 5 laps down within the first 10 laps teams.
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Fan fiction.
 
joe h said:
I think the main October/November killer was the Carolina panthers and falcons establishing themselves a legitimate contender. Before then it was college football on Saturday, and a yankee league on Sunday. Nashville, charlotte, Jacksonville, etc, and moving races away from southeast, has pretty much killed their base. The northeast, Midwest, and southwest, will always be an NFL stronghold. Sure they chipped away a little at it in the '90s and early 2000, but the few fans they've made in the Midwest, also tired of the constant changes a decade ago. Plus the NFL is cheaper and easier to attend around here.

Best plan is to eliminate about seven to ten races. End the season in mid September, which will allow them to eliminate the chase, since they're no longer going up against the NFL. Plus find an old track, or two, in the south east that their fans have fond memories of. Nostalgia is huge right now. Other than that, make sure new teams can always enter the sport, not just start and go 5 laps down within the first 10 laps teams.
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I don't think there is any pressure on Nascar or the tracks to eliminate races as with the current broadcast deal the tracks are getting paid a fixed amount even if no one shows up or watches from home. In 5 years we may see 10,000 fans in the stands for races at Richmond and NH and only a million viewers from home but it will be business as usual.
 
StandOnIt said:
That sounds like hockey is now, you sure your crystal ball is not all smudged up?
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In what ways does it sound like hockey? Think very, very carefully but not so carefully that you get mad and stop participating......:D
 
Homestead becomes the second race. Atlanta gets Michigan's June race, and Martinsville's fall race replaces pocono's august race, and Chicago either becomes the last race, or switches with the July Daytona race. Really not that dramatic of a change. Every track gets to keep at least one race date, 4 out of the 9 lost races are on cookie cutters, and the gimmicks can finally stop, since we're no longer competing with the NFL or post season baseball.
 
joe h said:
Homestead becomes the second race. Atlanta gets Michigan's June race, and Martinsville's fall race replaces pocono's august race, and Chicago either becomes the last race, or switches with the July Daytona race. Really not that dramatic of a change. Every track gets to keep at least one race date, 4 out of the 9 lost races are on cookie cutters, and the gimmicks can finally stop, since we're no longer competing with the NFL or post season baseball.
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Fan fiction chapter 2.
 
Penske was glad they got rid of the crash cart et all. Saved over 200 thou. It's working. I didn't read anything about changing dates or short season? They did have this years schedule out around this time last year. So I would think 2018 should be out pretty quickly
 
Mopardh9 said:
Sure it has, but when you start losing viewers and fans at the races then the true picture emerges. End the season in September.
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I always thought the season should end by mid-October at the latest. The schedule won't be reduced until the TV contract is over (2024?) but I think downsizing 4-6 races is what will be necessary. Some tracks will lose their second dates. I hope Dover and Pocono are prepping for that as they are independent tracks. ISC and SMI will probably drop one each.
 
Mopardh9 said:
I never switched, baseball is my favorite sport, always will be. Nascar has ruined their product with all the stupid chase crap and gimmicks trying to capture new fans, when all they did was push away a lot of their core fans. You're right it will never be like it was in the early 2000s, in fact it will contract even more to the point where eventually I think you will see a 30 race schedule, no Truck series, and a smaller Xfinity schedule also. Nascar can not compete with football, to have a season run into November when you are up against the NFL, NCAA, and World Series is just plain stupid business strategy.
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Go Red Sox?
 
NJJammer said:
I always thought the season should end by mid-October at the latest. The schedule won't be reduced until the TV contract is over (2024?) but I think downsizing 4-6 races is what will be necessary. Some tracks will lose their second dates. I hope Dover and Pocono are prepping for that as they are independent tracks. ISC and SMI will probably drop one each.
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What you say makes sense and I am sure it is something Nascar will start thinking around Christmastime 2024
 
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