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I thought alot of you said wins should count alot more in the points system, is it diffrent with roty or what???
 
I hope Jimmie Johnson wins ROTY. He deserves it with all of his hard work this season. He already one 2 races this year and is also in the hunt for the Winston Cup Championship. And this is from the same driver that everyone though would never be above the top 25 in points and never win a WC race.
 
Originally posted by smack500
I thought alot of you said wins should count alot more in the points system, is it diffrent with roty or what???
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Don't care, I think that Newman has showed more skill this year. If it weren't for the engine problems he might be ahead of Johnson. Wins will come.
 
Can we have Co-ROTY's?
Both have been outstanding. Newmans finishes dont indicate how well he has ran. If Penske had figured out to give him good engines too, he would prollly be up there too
 
Some of Newmans engine problems are his fault. It seems he likes to get the RPM's to high, just my opinion. Johnson will be ROTY.
 
Originally posted by 66mustang
Don't care, I think that Newman has showed more skill this year.  If it weren't for the engine problems he might be ahead of Johnson.  Wins will come.
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Newman needs to learn how to let off some and let the RPM's drop. He has cost himself more races than his engines.
 
Originally posted by Nascar24rainbow
I hope Jimmie Johnson wins ROTY. He deserves it with all of his hard work this season. He already one 2 races this year and is also in the hunt for the Winston Cup Championship. And this is from the same driver that everyone though would never be above the top 25 in points and never win a WC race.
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How has he worked more than Newman? Because he won twice?
 
mustang I might be wrong but I think alot of those times he had engine problems he was flooring it a bit to much. JJ has had mechinical problems this year also might have not been as much as newman but there has been some.
 
I know there was atleast one race the anouncers made it clear that he blew up the engine through driver mistakes.
 
Originally posted by Shiloh
Newman needs to learn how to let off some and let the RPM's drop. He has cost himself more races than his engines.
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Originally posted by 66mustang
What do you mean?
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He's got an Engineering degree and so do other members of his team. They are no dummies and they know EXACTLY what they are doing. If they blew an engine, they knew they were going to blow it before the race even started.

They're running some very experimental numbers.
 
I think newman will win 1 race this year and JJ will win one more this year.
 
Originally posted by DirtyMo1381529
Arent you supposed to put the petal to the floor?
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Yes you are, but depending on the track, you gotta let off some too. Daytona and Talladega, you can cruise all day with the pedal on the floor. Tracks like Richmond, Bristol, Michigan, and other non-superspeedways and speedways, you have to let off going into the turns.
 
I don't know how to put it into words without breaking out WW3, but...

I really think Newman's got a ton of talent, at least over the long haul. Not to say anything against JJ, he's an asset to the sport too, but I believe he is in pre-ordained equipment, whereas Newman is trying new stuff (not to mention dealing with a vet who -IMO- does not want to see him do better than himself). Also, Newman's got great open wheel 'Sperience.

No matter, we'll see!
 
I know there was one race this year ( cannot remember the track) where he was running upfront had the best car but then he got a flat tire, he went into the pits got it fixed and came out then 2 laps latter he blew his engine and the anouncer was saying he was pushing his car to much.
 
I think that was at the spring Pocono race. I was at the track that day and I know he had a fast car (he was up front for a while) but I don't remeber if it was a flat tire or wreck that got him that day.
 
JJ's done this year. Luck done run out.

He does good on some styles of tracks. Newman runs 'em all good. JJ has a ton of talent and will go far in this sport. Newman has a ton of talent and will go farther in this sport. JJ has impressed me with his talent, personality, and candor. Newman has blown my socks off with his talent. He seems a bit more on the shy side than JJ; not necessarily a good or bad thing.

As to the rookie point scoring system, it is scored differently than the WC Championship. Some of the finishes, obviously the worst, are not counted; only the best so many races for each driver count. So Newman has a shot even if he doesn't win a race all year.
 
Hard call. From what I saw at California from row 10 just out of turn 4, Jimmy is awesome!! Ryan was good, but the smoothness coming out of the turn was very noticable! May have been that he just had a better setup, but you'd have to have seen it to know what I'm saying........he drove like a veteran. Got to go with Jimmy.:)
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
JJ's done this year.  Luck done run out.
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I dont think so I will bet anyone here that JJ will win atleast one more race this season.
 
Suits me. I'll take the field over any one driver anytime.
 
Statistcly after Richmond, Johnson is 15 points behind Newman.

BUT there are still 10 races to go and, to the best of my knowledge, only the top 18 finishes count.

As much as I like Jimmie, I think Ryan will take it.

Still, a tough call.
 
I think TnWard might be right,Looks like Hendricks took Gordon's MoJo away from JJ,And gave it back to Jeff.:D
 
I've still got to go with JJ. He has won and Ryan hasn't, although he has come close. I'm sure he will soon. This may sound just a bit biased, but I have to go with JJ "cuz his car owner is so cute ;)
 
I picked Jimmie Johnson last year. I figure if Jeff Gordon is associated with him he had to be good. Not that Newman is not good but I just feel Johnson is better.
 
ROTY point system is a joke (IMO) These guys are the top 2 every week and that means it is only a 1 point swing usually. Then at the end of the year, a committee can award points to whoever they choose!

It should be cut and dried. Whoever finishes highest in points should be rookie of the year. I mean, whoever finishes highest in points among all drivers is crowned Winston Cup Champion!

There is actually a possibility that JJ could win the cup AND lose ROTY!

Needs to be simplified, I mean, they are rookies, why make it more difficult?:D
 
It is not a one point swing because they are always the top 2 rookies. Any top 10 finish by a rookie is awarded specific bonus points based on finish - 10 for first, 9 for second, down to 1 for a 10th place finish.
 
Historically, rookies have not fared as well as these two have. It has been since the 1980 year that this trend of competitive rookies has emerged. Even then, only a few have been true contenders to win races in their rookie seasons. This year, we happen to have two.

(Takes out reading glasses, pops a Doan's Back Pill)

Back in the old days, rookies struggled to make and finish races. The season was shorter as well. A rookie in the top 10 was rare enough, top 5 a cause for celebration, and winning? Fahget abiiit it. Dale Earnhardt, Davey Allison, Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart are the primary drivers who changed that. The ROTY point system was devised to more accurately guage their performance level, as it was not uncommon for a rookie driver not to make half or more of the races anyway.

Does the system need updating? Probably. I for one never thought anyone would ever touch Davey's rookie numbers. Now it's more like, Davey Who? IMO, a system that rewards finishing within a range would be most appropriate, such as:

1 - 20
2-5 - 15
6-10 - 12
11-15 - 10
16-20 - 7
21-30 - 5
31-35 - 1
36 and lower - 0

But that's just me.
 
Newman is by far the better driver (of course I am biased). But the way they score the Rookie Points are they take there Top 17 Races... and with this being said who leads everyone in top 5's and in top 10's this year. Now he does have a few DNF's but take those away and just take the top 17 races nobody can touch him. (Im looking for stridesberry to come up with that stat on everyones best 17 races......)
 
JJ most definetly!! He's proven himself to be a better driver, and Of course Newman is a close second to the ROTY...he's the only rookey left. But since I'm NOT a big FORD fan...and he technically hasn't won a race yet..its easy to pick.
 
Johnson is leading in overall points for the year, that should be enough to give him rookie of the year. Don't get me wrong, Newman has been fantastic this year and in the last 8-10 races, he has been better. But, why do they keep driver points for the year and why does the guy with the most points at the end win the Championship??? Because they were good enough, long enough, to stay ahead of everyone else. I think that it should be based on the most points, as of right now it would be Johnson.
 
it's to close to call!

I believe the deciding factor will be Ryan's education!

It's a good battle!
 
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