Roush Racing Considers Recourse Options

Ben Leslie admitted on Totally Nascar tonight, that they had not checked the spring to see if it was legal. He said they had checked every spring up to Rockingham, had no problems, so just didn't check. Sounds to me like they just dropped the ball.
 
Well, well, well.

Time has come for me to show some true colors I guess. Been too civil too long, starting to cramp my style.

NASCAR has decided to decide the points title. Again. Too bad Martin is in the way. Again.

What are the odds on a race team, who by all accounts would have to be one of the top 5 in the business can we not agree, getting the shaft twice for "violations" that do not aid the performance of the car?

Do any of you really think Jack Roush is that stupid?

Do any of you honestly think for a split second that Jack Roush and Mark Martin are gonna risk their championship dreams, after the raping of 1990, to cut 1/4" off a damn spring?

Do you all truly believe that this man, who has built one of automobile racing's most respected empires, is that unbelievably dumb?

Give


me




a



break.

Label me the forum conspiracy theorist if you like. No sweat off my back. This stinks and it stinks to high heaven of fixing.

I sincerely hope Jack Roush takes this to whatever level of authority may be available to him. NASCAR's dirty little secrets need some fresh air.

There was something fishy in the 3 car on February 18, 2001. Believe it. Why else were they so quick to toss Simpson to the wolves? Either something that was supposed to be there wasn't, or something that wasn't supposed to be there was.

Oh, and lest we forget, Tim Richmond died from the flu, remember?

I for one would not blame Jack if he just packed it in and went elsewhere with his millions. He deserves a fair shot, and this will be twice he has gotten the bum's rush by the Frances. Take the hint, man...it's a GM sport.

I stopped following NASCAR in 1990, and didn't watch a race for 2 or 3 years. I'm sure they didn't miss me one bit, but that's not the point. The point is, I am sick and tired of these scripted scenarios. Junior wouldn't know a restrictor plate if one hopped out of the toilet and bit him in the butt. Alan Kulwicki tossed a monkey wrench in their plans in 1992, which now that I think about it was when I came back to the sport. I still think NASCAR was pretty upset that he won that title. Ain't seen too many Silent Lap 7s, anyway.

I'll shut up now. I guess this is just another of my dreaded tirades.

But something still stinks.
 
Glad you haven't lost your spunk TWF!!:calpping: :beerchug: :calpping:
 
There seems to be no real argument over whether the spring was within spec. It clearly was not. No one has disputed that as a fact.

On whose shoulders the responsibility for insuring that the part is up to spec rests on the team. I have seen nothing that disputes that, and the team members most closely involved agree with that assessment as well.

Oh there is the NASCAR approved manufacturer thing. NASCAR has many many approved manufacturers. The fact that a company is an approved manufacturer does not imply and certainly does not guarantee that all of their products are going to be NASCAR approved. Ben Leslie clearly stated that they have checked hundreds of springs from this supplier in the past. Just as I am sure they have checked thousands of parts from hundreds of other NASCAR approved manufacturers. This practice in itself establishes the difference between and approved manufacturer and an approved part.

So it seems that there is an illegal part and the team is responsible for its use.

Roush Racing is within its rights to appeal the decision. The mechanism for doing so is in place. And yes appeals have been won in this process. As recently as last season following the Spring Bristol race and possibly more recently than that.

What is the basis of the appeal? It would seem to be "intent". The Viagra team had no "intent" to violate the rules.

The second basis appears to be "no competitive advantage". The car's performance was not measurably improved by the use of this spring.

Based on what I can recall of past appeals and their outcomes, neither of these defenses has a precedence of being accepted. I can't state that as an absolute, but I don't recall it.

NASCAR is often criticized, and rightly so sometimes, for it's hype to promote itself and justify its decisions. I don't always buy the hype and quite obviously neither to many of the fans around here.

The race teams are fully capable of hyping their case just as strongly. I don't always buy theirs either.
 
There is fairly good transcript of a conference with these two folks. Kinda more open and not PR related than some of the quotes seen later. It is fairly long but very much worth a read. The answers "feel" real honest to me. MM has a great little exchange on "parity" and the championship race this season.

Teleconference Transcript
 
Congratulations to Mark Martin 2002 Winston Cup winner,and good 2nd place finish Tony.[Without the 25 point] :D
 
Strange, try this.

Click on the link below which takes you to the homepage. Then click on the 'Martin looks past penalty" article at the very top center of the page.

Should work.

FordRacing
 
Good story Scrabman.Thanks,It just proves how much of a pro Martin is. :)
 
Once again you people are not arguing over the fact that Mark,Jack,and Ben are arguing about.
I think they are mad because they are being put into a category of cheating and facing the same penalty as Green and Ward when they shouldnt be.As Marks spring problem was not intentional or performance inhancing while theres was....

THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK
 
Doubt it was a "fly by night" manufacturer either.

The most common spring suppliers, or at least they were just two or three years ago, were Hypercoil (the company Highlighted in DEF's link), Eibach, and Afco. There very well may be others now, many others perhaps.

Back when I knew anything the springs from each of these manufacturers could pretty be readily be distinquished from each other by color.

Hyperco springs were blue
Eibach springs were red
Afco springs were yellow
 
TNWard fan, I love it when you go off on some thing like that. you have some great points. the 2-18-01 thing still makes me wonder, seems like they spent a million to cover their ass.
But I really don't want to drag that out . this thread isn't about that.
 
Originally posted by danjay6
Once again you people are not arguing over the fact that Mark,Jack,and Ben are arguing about.
I think they are mad because they are being put into a category of cheating and facing the same penalty as Green and Ward when they shouldnt be.As Marks spring problem was not intentional or performance inhancing while theres was....

THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK
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I haven't seen anyone imply Mark, Jack or Ben cheated......and I don't think NASCAR did either. There was a spec violation and NASCAR caught it in the post race inspection. The fine NASCAR imposed on the #6 car was the same as for anyone else with a similar infraction.......NASCAR (or anyone else) has not said Mark, Green or Ward were cheating. Some fans may be saying that but not anyone else.......an appeal will probably be made and it is not known at this time what the outcome will be. Meanwhile, the Viarga team has to move on.
 
DE Wrangler,

You hit the nail on the head. You know, I have each and every part of an engine I work on inspected by another party. Regardless of how reputable the supplier or manufacturer, things happen, and you need to cover yourself.
 
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