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Per jayski the contracts of Carl and Greg are up after 2014. After watching Matt's amazing 2013, and the decline of performance over the last few years. 2014 may be the most important year in this teams history/future. It's hard to imagine that Carl would not sign somewhere else im sure JGR could make it work, im sure MWR would be willing to do whatever it takes and RCR for a 4th car, Ganssi would dump Jamie in heartbeat for him, and maybe even Penske would make a run. On the other hand the Biff is 44 or 45 I think and his days may be numbered even if he does stay with Jack his best days may be past him. I would have to think Rickys contract is up next year and I bet he won't hesitate to leave either. Point is Jack's teams better get it together or else your going to see a very very similar team to RPM in 2016.

Sincerely, a very disappointed fan of Roush/Ford
 
Fordracing7 said:
Per jayski the contracts of Carl and Greg are up after 2014. After watching Matt's amazing 2013, and the decline of performance over the last few years. 2014 may be the most important year in this teams history/future. It's hard to imagine that Carl would not sign somewhere else im sure JGR could make it work, im sure MWR would be willing to do whatever it takes and RCR for a 4th car, Ganssi would dump Jamie in heartbeat for him, and maybe even Penske would make a run. On the other hand the Biff is 44 or 45 I think and his days may be numbered even if he does stay with Jack his best days may be past him. I would have to think Rickys contract is up next year and I bet he won't hesitate to leave either. Point is Jack's teams better get it together or else your going to see a very very similar team to RPM in 2016.

Sincerely, a very disappointed fan of Roush/Ford
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I think you are underestimating the depth of Ford's pockets, and their loyalty to Jack Roush. As a Toyota fan, I am probably not the biggest Roush supporter, but I do respect his loyalty to Ford and visa versa. Look for a better year, and stability in the team. I believe that.
 
Revman said:
I think you are underestimating the depth of Ford's pockets, and their loyalty to Jack Roush. As a Toyota fan, I am probably not the biggest Roush supporter, but I do respect his loyalty to Ford and visa versa. Look for a better year, and stability in the team. I believe that.
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What does that have to do with whether the driver's leave or not? I believe Ford will do better... but Penske will benefit from it the most.
 
Revman said:
I think you are underestimating the depth of Ford's pockets, and their loyalty to Jack Roush. As a Toyota fan, I am probably not the biggest Roush supporter, but I do respect his loyalty to Ford and visa versa. Look for a better year, and stability in the team. I believe that.
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SlicedBread22 said:
What does that have to do with whether the driver's leave or not? I believe Ford will do better... but Penske will benefit from it the most.
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I really hope im wrong and all moves forward but year the Ford fans keep getting in the teeth. I want Brad,Joey,Carl and Ricky racing for the championship at homestead but year after year ouch ouch ouch. As far as.the deep pockets Ford proved that in 2011 with carl .
 
MRM said:
I believe that's been part of Ford's problems. They've been led down the road by Roush and Roush has gotten behind the curve. Now all the Ford teams are paying the price.
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I'm wondering how long until Penske starts up their own engine shop again. In one year with Ford Penske ended up with the highest Ford finisher ( :D ) .. I wonder how Roush feels about that. I think Penske will be the face of Ford in the garage soon enough.
 
Revman said:
I think you are underestimating the depth of Ford's pockets, and their loyalty to Jack Roush. As a Toyota fan, I am probably not the biggest Roush supporter, but I do respect his loyalty to Ford and visa versa. Look for a better year, and stability in the team. I believe that.
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ford isn't the one putting the most of the money in the pocket of carl edwards. its sponsorship and lately roush has had to piece together deals at discounted rates. Look at the car that stenhouse is in for instance. why did matt kenseth leave the car?? because sponsorship wasn't there. yes there has always been someones name on the car but a last minute deal for a race here or there is sold at a steep discount. big long term deals are hard to come by dale jr still needs one of all people. I think stenhouse and biffle stay at roush. I think there is a good chance edwards leaves. if I was him if MWR was stable I might prefer to go there instead if penske, hendrick or JGR wasn't an option. basically an anywhere but roush mentality.
 
I think Greg Biffle will be back. He's still competitive, but there probably wouldn't be many teams knocking down the door to sign a guy who will be 45 later this year. Carl may be gone though. I think he's realizing what a huge mistake it was not going over to JGR after the 2011 season when he had the chance. If that door opens up again, I think Carl runs through it.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
ford isn't the one putting the most of the money in the pocket of carl edwards. its sponsorship and lately roush has had to piece together deals at discounted rates. Look at the car that stenhouse is in for instance. why did matt kenseth leave the car?? because sponsorship wasn't there. yes there has always been someones name on the car but a last minute deal for a race here or there is sold at a steep discount. big long term deals are hard to come by dale jr still needs one of all people. I think stenhouse and biffle stay at roush. I think there is a good chance edwards leaves. if I was him if MWR was stable I might prefer to go there instead if penske, hendrick or JGR wasn't an option. basically an anywhere but roush mentality.
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Yup... Ford doesn't pay for the engines.. they sell them.
 
ToyYoda said:
I think Greg Biffle will be back. He's still competitive, but there probably wouldn't be many teams knocking down the door to sign a guy who will be 45 later this year. Carl may be gone though. I think he's realizing what a huge mistake it was not going over to JGR after the 2011 season when he had the chance. If that door opens up again, I think Carl runs through it.
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I always liked Biffle and Edwards.
 
Got another year, little early to speculate I would say. Ford was able to get Nascar's permission to make some changes to the front end late in the season, and there are more changes for all the cars this year that might wake the Fords up. The Fords were slower, and that doesn't mean it is all engine related, Roush and Penske put a car in the chase each last year, and Carl and Brad were just out of the top 12 at 13th and 14th, so they came on strong at the end of the season.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
What does that have to do with whether the driver's leave or not? I believe Ford will do better... but Penske will benefit from it the most.
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Ford will take care of Jack, and Jack will then be able to take care of his drivers. Ask Carl.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
ford isn't the one putting the most of the money in the pocket of carl edwards. its sponsorship and lately roush has had to piece together deals at discounted rates. Look at the car that stenhouse is in for instance. why did matt kenseth leave the car?? because sponsorship wasn't there. yes there has always been someones name on the car but a last minute deal for a race here or there is sold at a steep discount. big long term deals are hard to come by dale jr still needs one of all people. I think stenhouse and biffle stay at roush. I think there is a good chance edwards leaves. if I was him if MWR was stable I might prefer to go there instead if penske, hendrick or JGR wasn't an option. basically an anywhere but roush mentality.
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With all due respect, you didn't follow the courtship of Carl a couple of years ago. Ford threw money at him. Matt left because Ford threw money at Carl. Matt is happy. Carl is jealous. Done.
 
Revman said:
With all due respect, you didn't follow the courtship of Carl a couple of years ago. Ford threw money at him. Matt left because Ford threw money at Carl. Matt is happy. Carl is jealous. Done.
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I did. Carl became one of the highest paid drivers did he not?
 
ToyYoda said:
I think Greg Biffle will be back. He's still competitive, but there probably wouldn't be many teams knocking down the door to sign a guy who will be 45 later this year. Carl may be gone though. I think he's realizing what a huge mistake it was not going over to JGR after the 2011 season when he had the chance. If that door opens up again, I think Carl runs through it.
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Yes sir. Say you are sorry, Carl.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I'm wondering how long until Penske starts up their own engine shop again. In one year with Ford Penske ended up with the highest Ford finisher ( :D ) .. I wonder how Roush feels about that. I think Penske will be the face of Ford in the garage soon enough.
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Should be interesting to see how that plays out. Think about how impressive Penske Fords would have finished if they hadn't had that trick rear end in Texas.
 
...........following his Tony season lol... then got paid bazillions of dollars for one win on the season and a points finish of 15th. Money well spent :D lol


edit: scratch that... zero wins on the season
 
Ford should have developed that new front end sooner. That would have helped. You know. The one that only prevents the collection of trash. The one that even if it was 3 tenths faster than the field would have been changed because it collect trash. You know. The one that had it won a championship would have been gone because of all of that trash. That one. SMDH. ;)
 
Weird to imagine Roush without Kenseth and now without Biffle or Edwards.

I like Newman, Austin Dillion and Ricky Stenhouse but 2015 RCR and Roush could look pretty weird talent-wise. It wasn't that long ago they were considered top-tier teams.
 
MRM said:
I believe that's been part of Ford's problems. They've been led down the road by Roush and Roush has gotten behind the curve. Now all the Ford teams are paying the price.
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Yep. If Ford were smart, they would shuffle Penske to the front of the line ASAP.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I'm wondering how long until Penske starts up their own engine shop again. In one year with Ford Penske ended up with the highest Ford finisher ( :D ) .. I wonder how Roush feels about that. I think Penske will be the face of Ford in the garage soon enough.
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Kez missed the chase because of the blown motor at ?Atlanta?

Perhaps Roush-Yates-Penske engines aren't far off.
 
Jamie Allison said the new front end has no effect on aero....so no improvement there. I dont think its the motors, I think it's just roush engineering and front end geometry. In reality Penske was pretty competitive last year, if you paid attention to them specifically. Im sure sliced bread did.
 
Fordracing7 said:
Jamie Allison said the new front end has no effect on aero....so no improvement there. I dont think its the motors, I think it's just roush engineering and front end geometry. In reality Penske was pretty competitive last year, if you paid attention to them specifically. Im sure sliced bread did.
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Don't know who that is but here is the deal, they couldn't run as much tape, so like I said they got to make some changes.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/...nske-joey-logano-brad-keselowski-carl-edwards


That doesn’t mean they won’t work together to try to find the solutions. The Fords next season will have an adjusted nose piece that is not caved in as much in the lower front grille.

That indentation allowed too much trash to collect on the grille, which if left on too long would cook the engine. That often meant the Fords were running less tape on the nose of the cars (more tape creates more front downforce) because of worries of trash and dirt and other debris covering the grille would overheat the engine.

“We caught a lot of garbage on it this year,” said Logano. “Together, we developed what wanted to do there (with the grille).”

The cars also will change a little bit with the new aerodynamic and/or horsepower rules implemented for 2014.

“I’m looking at this as an opportunity to get on a level playing field,” Biffle said. “It’s been well documented that as an organization, Roush Fenway, we have been a little behind this year. … I’m hoping this rule change package gives another kind of another reset, gives us a chance to try new things and maybe we get to the punch a little quicker than the competition does.”
 
yes the new nose was to keep trash off the grille and does not provide a performance advantage, other than that. in fact jack roush was quoted as saying he didn't ask for the change but didn't care if they made it. penske asked for the nose change. the bulk of a drivers contract isn't from ford, chevy, or whomever manufacturer.
 
I hope they can figure a way to keep the new nose piece on the car for the entire race. There were lots of debris cautions last year because of that nose piece falling off the car.
 
FenderBumper said:
Yep. If Ford were smart, they would shuffle Penske to the front of the line ASAP.
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Well if Ford was structured like Toyota and TRD they wouldn't have to worry about being led into the abyss. I would have to think that Ford's direct involvement would have to be suspect given the simulation software debacle of a couple of years ago and now the recent struggles. Does Jaimie Allison have anybody over there looking over Jack's shoulder?
 
Fordracing7 said:
Jamie Allison said the new front end has no effect on aero....so no improvement there. I dont think its the motors, I think it's just roush engineering and front end geometry. In reality Penske was pretty competitive last year, if you paid attention to them specifically. Im sure sliced bread did.
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So, NASCAR gets the three manufacturers to sit down and agree on the Gen 6 hard points. Do you really think Allison is going to say that they improved aero and are now ready to kick ass? Let me ask you this....If Ford was 3 tenths better than everyone, would they be changing the nose? Frankly, I like the old school BS to get some help. Actually, every time the Ford dudes talk about how this is simply to prevent trash issues, I laugh.
 
I'm not a ford guy but this sport needs a strong Ford team to keep Americans interested in American cars. Blink and it'll be Chevy, Toyota, Honda & Subaru on the track
 
I don't guess you watched very many races last year Rev.. The Exploda's led the field by far in engine failures. Structured like Toyota? Having their engine department halfway between Japan and Charlotte? Get a Chevy dude 7 out of 13 in the chase, they don't blow up. Only three Toyota's, tied with Ford BTW.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't guess you watched very many races last year Rev.. The Exploda's led the field by far in engine failures. Structured like Toyota? Having their engine department halfway between Japan and Charlotte? Get a Chevy dude 7 out of 13 in the chase, they don't blow up. Only three Toyota's, tied with Ford BTW.
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Guess you didn't watch closely. If you had, you would have seen that TRD was the winningest builder in the series. You would have seen reliability when it mattered most--in the Chase--flat equal to anything Chevy had on the track. You would also have understood that there is a huge difference between a TRD Toyota and Toyotas of say BK. Toyota is the new kid on the block, and as such, has taken on teams that Chevy and Ford want no part of. When those kids go the way of building their own stuff or having Triad do it for them, then reliability suffers. Look at the car counts for Chevy. Calculate win percentages. Also, you would need to study up on TRD to understand that Japan has nothing to do with NASCAR. You would also have to look at how much TRD suffers logistically by being on the West Coast. That would be zero. You would understand after studying this stuff that TRD literally is on the John Wayne Airport runway. Oh yeah, ask Junior about Chevy blow ups. I have been listening all winter about how he would have won the whole thing had they not blown up in Chicago. Indeed, TRD had its struggles early in the season, but the strength of the organization righted the ship, and they finished impressively.
 
If you look on down at the bottom Rev, you can see all the manufacturer championships Toyota has won...you ever thought about going into politics?
Manufacturer Titles
Chevrolet 37 [last in 2013]
Ford 15 [last in 2002]
Hudson 3 [last in 1954, no longer in business]
Oldsmobile 3 [last in 1955, no longer in business]
Dodge 2 [last in 1975]
Buick 2 [last in 1982]
Plymouth 1
Pontiac 1
Toyota 0
 
StandOnIt said:
If you look on down at the bottom Rev, you can see all the manufacturer championships Toyota has won...you ever thought about going into politics?
Manufacturer Titles
Chevrolet 37 [last in 2013]
Ford 15 [last in 2002]
Hudson 3 [last in 1954, no longer in business]
Oldsmobile 3 [last in 1955, no longer in business]
Dodge 2 [last in 1975]
Buick 2 [last in 1982]
Plymouth 1
Pontiac 1
Toyota 0
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When did Chevy enter NASCAR? ...and Toyota? Car counts? Win percentages?
 
Roush may try to go with a young group of drivers. Ryan Reed, Stenhouse and Trevor.they could pay off or be very risky. If Ganassi was to dump Jamie Mac for Carl, would he return to Roush?
 
Standonit just fyi. Jamie Allison is the director of Ford Racing. I hope they are hiding the fact it improves poor performance, but they didn't look very good in testing all far.
 
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