Roush Racing's future

JimmieGordon2448 said:
Roush may try to go with a young group of drivers. Ryan Reed, Stenhouse and Trevor.they could pay off or be very risky. If Ganassi was to dump Jamie Mac for Carl, would he return to Roush?
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Possibly kind of like Biffle probably wouldn't be that many options for him.
 
Roush put two cars in the chase last year and if that counts for poor performance, there are few other organizations that need to take a serious look at things.
 
Fordracing7 said:
Standonit just fyi. Jamie Allison is the director of Ford Racing. I hope they are hiding the fact it improves poor performance, but they didn't look very good in testing all far.
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Well, at least they are trash free! Better for the environment. :bsflag:
BamaFan said:
I was a Ford man for years,( Pearson, Elliott, Davey Allison) I like Junior(Chevy) now and a few others.

This said, I drive a Toyota Tundra because its THE BEST VEHICLE I EVER OWNED!
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BamaFan said:
I was a Ford man for years,( Pearson, Elliott, Davey Allison) I like Junior(Chevy) now and a few others.

This said, I drive a Toyota Tundra because its THE BEST VEHICLE I EVER OWNED!
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BINGO!
 
Revman said:
Guess you didn't watch closely. If you had, you would have seen that TRD was the winningest builder in the series. You would have seen reliability when it mattered most--in the Chase--flat equal to anything Chevy had on the track. You would also have understood that there is a huge difference between a TRD Toyota and Toyotas of say BK. Toyota is the new kid on the block, and as such, has taken on teams that Chevy and Ford want no part of. When those kids go the way of building their own stuff or having Triad do it for them, then reliability suffers. Look at the car counts for Chevy. Calculate win percentages. Also, you would need to study up on TRD to understand that Japan has nothing to do with NASCAR. You would also have to look at how much TRD suffers logistically by being on the West Coast. That would be zero. You would understand after studying this stuff that TRD literally is on the John Wayne Airport runway. Oh yeah, ask Junior about Chevy blow ups. I have been listening all winter about how he would have won the whole thing had they not blown up in Chicago. Indeed, TRD had its struggles early in the season, but the strength of the organization righted the ship, and they finished impressively.
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I don't know why it took me so long to figure it out but you have got to be TRD's new spindoctor, damn I'm slipping
 
Johali said:
I don't know why it took me so long to figure it out but you have got to be TRD's new spindoctor, damn I'm slipping
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LOL good one my gator skinned friend.!!!!!

I'm not all about this make or that, but given their short time in Nascar I would say they are doing very well. And I,m no Doctor. LOL
 
Manufacturer don't mean much to me... whatever my driver is in is who I want to win.. just so happens that my two favorites drive Fords.... and my 3rd a Toyota... I dislike Chevy :) For obvious reasons.
 
I am for the man first and then the make. That said, I am a Ford man at heart and Ford needs to give the most support the Penske. Jack is getting too senile for racing at this level. Plus, he is too tight with money and it has cost him in the long run imo. Its a shame Roush basically has a monopoly on the Ford make at this level to a large degree.
 
#17D500winner said:
Roush put two cars in the chase last year and if that counts for poor performance, there are few other organizations that need to take a serious look at things.
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and Penske makes three if we are talking about Fords in general, so IMO they aren't that far off. Anyway you slice it Kez had some terrible luck and Penske's penalties didn't help either. I know yada yada if a frog had wings, but the difference in winning and losing is a very small amount, so anyway, I am not all warm and fuzzy about Roush and his micromanaging, I would like to see a change there and who knows the powers that be above him might be doing that, they cut a deal with Penske, he left Dodge holding the bag with a winner on the board, so it must have been a good offer, and despite having a brand new setup and I guarantee, no help from Roush, he put a car in the chase. I'm excited about the Fords and the Chevy's, I think they will continue to kick butt.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Manufacturer don't mean much to me... whatever my driver is in is who I want to win.. just so happens that my two favorites drive Fords.... and my 3rd a Toyota... I dislike Chevy :) For obvious reasons.
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I am 100% manufacturer driven. You leave the Toyota fold, and I will not root for you. However, that doesn't mean that I give you the finger every time you circle the track either. Obviously, I am partial to the TRD Toyotas as I consider them the expression of what Toyota can do in a competitive environment. I feel like this is what has been lost in NASCAR--manufacturer pride. There are a lot of reasons for this, but I would like to see it come back. The Gen 6 was a good start.
 
Johali said:
I don't know why it took me so long to figure it out but you have got to be TRD's new spindoctor, damn I'm slipping
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I'll take that as your way of saying that you hadn't thought of things that way. Fair enough. Enjoy your posts man.
 
Roush's downturn has been in the works for years. With the likes of Kenseth, Edwards, and Biffle behind the wheel these issues were not so obvious because they are great drivers who could still make things happen and win races. The writing has been on the wall though, and I'd be surprised if Edwards stays after his current deal is up. Biffle on the other hand will be retained and retire there, due to his age I doubt he get a better offer elsewhere.

What's clear is that RFR has THE WORST and most inept sales dept of any major team. Selling sponsorship is no cake walk, but no other major team has had issues like Roush has had. What's interesting is they also perhaps have the most unrivalled support from their respective manufacturer. If you can't sell sponsorship for a guy like Kenseth who puts the car in victory lane usually multiple times a year, what can you sell?

So the brass over at RFR are all concerned about selling sponsorship and selling RY engines and other Ford parts to smaller teams and they get behind on the other emerging technology. Are the RY engines great engines? Sure, but HMS,TRD,RCR can also make great engines, Roush just seems to hang their hat on that engine program and not invest in everything else thats required to win a championship. It's been a repeating cycle for years now. They get behind and they catch up, but they don't have a Kenseth to help them out anymore and maybe they lose Edwards too or Biffle. The team is perennially trying to catch up and can never seem to get ahead. Even if you consider Carl's title run in 2011, they weren't winning races and leading the pack. It was more to do with the incredibly consistent driving that Carl giving each week.
 
Revman said:
I am 100% manufacturer driven. You leave the Toyota fold, and I will not root for you. However, that doesn't mean that I give you the finger every time you circle the track either. Obviously, I am partial to the TRD Toyotas as I consider them the expression of what Toyota can do in a competitive environment. I feel like this is what has been lost in NASCAR--manufacturer pride. There are a lot of reasons for this, but I would like to see it come back. The Gen 6 was a good start.
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I feel 100% the other way. Since these cars have nothing to do with street cars, I really don't care about manufacturers. I follow the drivers, and that's all.
 
Revman said:
I am 100% manufacturer driven. You leave the Toyota fold, and I will not root for you. However, that doesn't mean that I give you the finger every time you circle the track either. Obviously, I am partial to the TRD Toyotas as I consider them the expression of what Toyota can do in a competitive environment. I feel like this is what has been lost in NASCAR--manufacturer pride. There are a lot of reasons for this, but I would like to see it come back. The Gen 6 was a good start.
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I'm about 70% manufacturer driven. I root for the Toyota guys, but there are Chevy and Ford drivers I like to see succeed as well.
 
FenderBumper said:
I feel 100% the other way. Since these cars have nothing to do with street cars, I really don't care about manufacturers. I follow the drivers, and that's all.
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I am driver driven first then ABT motivated second.
 
Johali said:
See spindoctor. :D
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All good with that man. I am loyal. To the death. TRD is constantly in the bullseye, and they don't back down. JGR/MWR drivers are hyper-critical because their engine shop doesn't include their owner's last name. In the midst of all of that, TRD maintains a unique relationship with its teams. They pay off is control over the brand image, and technical direction. As mentioned, the problem with Ford is that they soaked their reputation into Jack Roush. Toyota soaks their image in TRD. Ford and Chevy write checks. Toyota invests in TRD. Immense pressure from Corporate Toyota. They don't back down.
 
ToyYoda said:
I'm about 70% manufacturer driven. I root for the Toyota guys, but there are Chevy and Ford drivers I like to see succeed as well.
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Although I am completely manufacturer driven, I am passionate about the guys that drive the cars. Biased to Kyle, and he has been the most critical of TRD. I figure if we can win him over, we will have done something. Toyota has put a lot into Kyle--particularly with that last contract. They will take crap because they believe in him. At the end of the day, he wants to win. That's the dude I want in one of my Toyotas.
 
FenderBumper said:
I feel 100% the other way. Since these cars have nothing to do with street cars, I really don't care about manufacturers. I follow the drivers, and that's all.
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I understand that. For me, the manufacturer is the represents the competitive expression of the brand. I don't need a race car to street car translation. I need a TRD hat in my Parts Department when I go in for an oil change.
 
Revman said:
I understand that. For me, the manufacturer is the represents the competitive expression of the brand. I don't need a race car to street car translation. I need a TRD hat in my Parts Department when I go in for an oil change.
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Cool. Just watch where you sit. ;)
 
StandOnIt said:
If you look on down at the bottom Rev, you can see all the manufacturer championships Toyota has won...you ever thought about going into politics?
Manufacturer Titles
Chevrolet 37 [last in 2013]
Ford 15 [last in 2002]
Hudson 3 [last in 1954, no longer in business]
Oldsmobile 3 [last in 1955, no longer in business]
Dodge 2 [last in 1975]
Buick 2 [last in 1982]
Plymouth 1
Pontiac 1
Toyota 0
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Toyota has won several in the truck and NW series though.
 
Johali said:
Get another cup of coffee fender, I was being my usual smartass self while talking to a TRD representative, "think" King of all Toadies.
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Coffee...* glug...glug...glug....* check.

Think think...think....SNAP!

Didn't work.

If it was ADT, I would know Danica was in there and figure it out.
 
Revman said:
No man, having fun and sparring is part of it all. This is a great forum. Really enjoy it.
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Agreed.. like I said before.. this is the best NASCAR forum on the net.... its the only one I've found that people come to every day. Always is up with the latest news and has no shortage of differing opinions to discuss endlessly :cheers: Cheers to racing-forums.com!!
 
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